judi
Member
@haidut or anybody
Hi
I have re-listened to A Bioenergetic View Of Autoimmunity [Generative Energy #12] and I'm still struggling to understand something…
What I'm getting from Peat and Haidut is the following:
"Autoimmune" conditions result from elevated estrogen, therefore chronically elevated cortisol / prolactin etc., leading to tissue breakdown, presumably because of the cortisol's action. Because of the breakdown of the tissue, there is debris, and that's why the immune system is cranked up to clean up this debris so we don't die of septicemia. This is where people get the symptoms of inflammation and pain, presumably because the body is "reacting" to the debris, yes?
So here is where I'm struggling: If somebody with, say, rheumatoid arthritis is experiencing pain and swelling and they take steroids (e.g. hydrocortisone/prednisone) or fish oils, why do they experience relief from their inflammation and swelling? If steroids/fish oils "turn the immune system off", then presumably the debris stops getting cleared up, no? Plus wouldn't the exogenous corticosteroids be also causing further breakdown of tissue, with no immune system to clear it up?
1) why don't they get septicemia if the debris is not getting cleared up?
2) if exogenous steroids turn the immune system off, how can autoimmune conditions be caused by excess cortisol (leading to breakdown of tissue, resulting debris, resulting in overactive immune system)?
What am I missing? Is endogenous cortisol's action somehow different to exogenous cortisone action?
Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I've searched the forum and haven't found the answer.
Thanks
Judi
Hi
I have re-listened to A Bioenergetic View Of Autoimmunity [Generative Energy #12] and I'm still struggling to understand something…
What I'm getting from Peat and Haidut is the following:
"Autoimmune" conditions result from elevated estrogen, therefore chronically elevated cortisol / prolactin etc., leading to tissue breakdown, presumably because of the cortisol's action. Because of the breakdown of the tissue, there is debris, and that's why the immune system is cranked up to clean up this debris so we don't die of septicemia. This is where people get the symptoms of inflammation and pain, presumably because the body is "reacting" to the debris, yes?
So here is where I'm struggling: If somebody with, say, rheumatoid arthritis is experiencing pain and swelling and they take steroids (e.g. hydrocortisone/prednisone) or fish oils, why do they experience relief from their inflammation and swelling? If steroids/fish oils "turn the immune system off", then presumably the debris stops getting cleared up, no? Plus wouldn't the exogenous corticosteroids be also causing further breakdown of tissue, with no immune system to clear it up?
1) why don't they get septicemia if the debris is not getting cleared up?
2) if exogenous steroids turn the immune system off, how can autoimmune conditions be caused by excess cortisol (leading to breakdown of tissue, resulting debris, resulting in overactive immune system)?
What am I missing? Is endogenous cortisol's action somehow different to exogenous cortisone action?
Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I've searched the forum and haven't found the answer.
Thanks
Judi