Sequential eating, gas, trapped wind, pain.
Many years ago when I was exactly 8 years old, I would sit in class in junior school after lunch, and have painful trapped wind.
The pain was so bad, and so frequent, that through my parents, I visited a consultant about it. The doctor of course had no idea, no suggestions, and attributed it to growing pains. I must thank her for helping to make a medical sceptic out of me because at the age of 8 I already suspected this was bull****. She also seemed more interested in my feet, which when I walked across the room, she remarked how inward turning they were and referred me to another consultant to look at my legs. This next consultant invited us to reject the notion of having all my leg bones broken and reset so they pointed out, saying there was nothing wrong, but we could do it. Thank goodness I wasn’t subjected to that.
Back to the wind. I somehow, probably with the help of my mum, figured out that the cheap toxic slopshite school sausages were the problem. They probably contained more gristle and bread than meat, so I stopped eating them. The school food was pretty terrible in general, with potatoes made from dry powder, and just small quantities of shite basically. I am surprised any of us survived.
Anyway this made an impact on me at an impressionable age. I started to see that manipulating diet could have drastic effects on my body, and doctors could be really thick.
Fast forward and I rediscovered that cheap sausage was stil a problem a couple more times when I dared to eat it. One of those times I was sat in an A level physics lesson next to a pretty girl (the only one who took physics) after eating a chip shop jumbo sausage for lunch. And thanks to that sausage I was having a really painful time. Had I just trumpeted confidently in class I probably would have been fine, but it was a lot of gas to trumpet, and it might have killed her.
Anyway, so fast forward and internet became a thing. I tried to discover more about food/eating that doctors didn’t seem to be aware of. I found a website (now gone) by a Natural hygienist called Dr Stanley Bass. Bear in mind this is twenty years ago.
He wrote of his findings regarding how to eat and of what to eat. He had done many experiments.
Ray Peat recommended eating multiple things at once, which I found at odds with what I had experimentally learned worked for me. In other words there seemed little consideration of how well or badly things digest together. In fact he recommended to eat things together, talking theoretically how it is good to combine protein and carbs for example. He said it stimulated the intestine the most, which seems like a big leap of faith that ‘most stimulated’ is what a person wants.
As someone who definitely benefits from food combining / eating sequentially one thing at a time, this was a large blind spot for me.
Dr Bass had really thought about this. He spoke of experiments including feeding rats, killing them, freezing them, then dissecting them. He spoke of how the stomach digests things in layers, that things appear in the toilet in the order they are eaten, and one must pass out of the stomach before the next in order. He talked about how the stomach is not a cauldron, and food is actually digested in layers on the stomach walls. With the appropriate conditions (more acidic for meat, less acidic for starch) being secreted for each food.
Now of course be sceptical of this, however consider the idea and try it. Experiment is the highest authority and you are unique.
What this means is one should eat quickly digested foods first, and slowly digested foods last. So the slow digested foods are not sat there waiting.
He had acquired data on the time it takes to digest food based on a man who had a hole in his stomach, and so the food could be seen. This sounds unbelievable; however wounded people often gave scientists insights.
So basically from memory, here’s how quickly things leave an empty stomach after being consumed if a person is at rest:
Fruit – 15 to 30 minutes.
Starch – about an hour
Meat – 3+ hours, the more salted and dry, the longer.
So based on that he recommended you eat in that order if you are eating a typical meal. Basically think of the stomach as more of a tube than a concrete mixer, and appreciate that food requires tailored digestive juices.
He also states that raw food is digested much faster than cooked, something maybe we should check out.
And don’t drink shortly before or after a meal, and chew your food.
Now he may be wrong about this, and it may differ from person to person, but keep in mind that the most important thing is that there may be a optimal way of eating that best digests the food you eat that isn’t just ‘mix it all together’.
Now contrary to his recommendations, I actually find that eating meat on its own first, followed by starches on their own works better for me than the starch first, meat second. And this is actually how many Japanese tended to eat. Fish/sushi, followed by rice until full, traditionally at least. Sure that is probably mostly lost by westernised Japanese eating McDonalds now.
I find that works best for me. I get efficient and gas free digestion. I can mix everything together too, but I am more likely to get indigestion if I do. It just feels like adding meat AFTER carbs (such as potatoes or rice) starts to make my stomach complain immediately. I have been sick in the past after doing so. meat ontop of starch, or the two combined, not great for me.
So, when people on here say “starch gives me gut problems” I think, what did you eat it with? Because if you combined it with meat then I am not surprised. Even dogs tend to avoid doing this, eating meat first, should it be an option to them. So if one is eating things together, then saying starch is the problem is no more valid than saying meat or fruit gave the gut problems.
It is hard to believe people cannot digest starch, it is relatively simple to digest compared to meat, however sure build it up slowly, give the body time to know what to do with it.
That is all for now. Let me and others know what you have found works for you please.
Many years ago when I was exactly 8 years old, I would sit in class in junior school after lunch, and have painful trapped wind.
The pain was so bad, and so frequent, that through my parents, I visited a consultant about it. The doctor of course had no idea, no suggestions, and attributed it to growing pains. I must thank her for helping to make a medical sceptic out of me because at the age of 8 I already suspected this was bull****. She also seemed more interested in my feet, which when I walked across the room, she remarked how inward turning they were and referred me to another consultant to look at my legs. This next consultant invited us to reject the notion of having all my leg bones broken and reset so they pointed out, saying there was nothing wrong, but we could do it. Thank goodness I wasn’t subjected to that.
Back to the wind. I somehow, probably with the help of my mum, figured out that the cheap toxic slopshite school sausages were the problem. They probably contained more gristle and bread than meat, so I stopped eating them. The school food was pretty terrible in general, with potatoes made from dry powder, and just small quantities of shite basically. I am surprised any of us survived.
Anyway this made an impact on me at an impressionable age. I started to see that manipulating diet could have drastic effects on my body, and doctors could be really thick.
Fast forward and I rediscovered that cheap sausage was stil a problem a couple more times when I dared to eat it. One of those times I was sat in an A level physics lesson next to a pretty girl (the only one who took physics) after eating a chip shop jumbo sausage for lunch. And thanks to that sausage I was having a really painful time. Had I just trumpeted confidently in class I probably would have been fine, but it was a lot of gas to trumpet, and it might have killed her.
Anyway, so fast forward and internet became a thing. I tried to discover more about food/eating that doctors didn’t seem to be aware of. I found a website (now gone) by a Natural hygienist called Dr Stanley Bass. Bear in mind this is twenty years ago.
He wrote of his findings regarding how to eat and of what to eat. He had done many experiments.
Ray Peat recommended eating multiple things at once, which I found at odds with what I had experimentally learned worked for me. In other words there seemed little consideration of how well or badly things digest together. In fact he recommended to eat things together, talking theoretically how it is good to combine protein and carbs for example. He said it stimulated the intestine the most, which seems like a big leap of faith that ‘most stimulated’ is what a person wants.
As someone who definitely benefits from food combining / eating sequentially one thing at a time, this was a large blind spot for me.
Dr Bass had really thought about this. He spoke of experiments including feeding rats, killing them, freezing them, then dissecting them. He spoke of how the stomach digests things in layers, that things appear in the toilet in the order they are eaten, and one must pass out of the stomach before the next in order. He talked about how the stomach is not a cauldron, and food is actually digested in layers on the stomach walls. With the appropriate conditions (more acidic for meat, less acidic for starch) being secreted for each food.
Now of course be sceptical of this, however consider the idea and try it. Experiment is the highest authority and you are unique.
What this means is one should eat quickly digested foods first, and slowly digested foods last. So the slow digested foods are not sat there waiting.
He had acquired data on the time it takes to digest food based on a man who had a hole in his stomach, and so the food could be seen. This sounds unbelievable; however wounded people often gave scientists insights.
So basically from memory, here’s how quickly things leave an empty stomach after being consumed if a person is at rest:
Fruit – 15 to 30 minutes.
Starch – about an hour
Meat – 3+ hours, the more salted and dry, the longer.
So based on that he recommended you eat in that order if you are eating a typical meal. Basically think of the stomach as more of a tube than a concrete mixer, and appreciate that food requires tailored digestive juices.
He also states that raw food is digested much faster than cooked, something maybe we should check out.
And don’t drink shortly before or after a meal, and chew your food.
Now he may be wrong about this, and it may differ from person to person, but keep in mind that the most important thing is that there may be a optimal way of eating that best digests the food you eat that isn’t just ‘mix it all together’.
Now contrary to his recommendations, I actually find that eating meat on its own first, followed by starches on their own works better for me than the starch first, meat second. And this is actually how many Japanese tended to eat. Fish/sushi, followed by rice until full, traditionally at least. Sure that is probably mostly lost by westernised Japanese eating McDonalds now.
I find that works best for me. I get efficient and gas free digestion. I can mix everything together too, but I am more likely to get indigestion if I do. It just feels like adding meat AFTER carbs (such as potatoes or rice) starts to make my stomach complain immediately. I have been sick in the past after doing so. meat ontop of starch, or the two combined, not great for me.
So, when people on here say “starch gives me gut problems” I think, what did you eat it with? Because if you combined it with meat then I am not surprised. Even dogs tend to avoid doing this, eating meat first, should it be an option to them. So if one is eating things together, then saying starch is the problem is no more valid than saying meat or fruit gave the gut problems.
It is hard to believe people cannot digest starch, it is relatively simple to digest compared to meat, however sure build it up slowly, give the body time to know what to do with it.
That is all for now. Let me and others know what you have found works for you please.
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