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The activated charcoal I ordered just arrived in the mail today. Can someone tell me, when is the best time to take it? In the morning before I eat?
 
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The activated charcoal I ordered just arrived in the mail today. Can someone tell me, when is the best time to take it? In the morning before I eat?

From my experience, taking one gram before bed makes for a great morning.
 
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Perfect! Thank you Such_Saturation! :)
 

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I can't imagine getting much action from 1 gram. ;)
I take 15 grams (1 TB) in an 8 ounce glass of water before bed, away from food and supps.

Here is a good reference about AC.

JOURNAL OF THE MEGAHEALTH SOCIETY
MegaHealth Society - July 1989
THE UNIVERSAL ANTIDOTE AND DETOXIFIER THAT EXTENDS LIFE: ACTIVATED CHARCOAL
by Richard C. Kaufman, Ph.D.

Activated Charcoal is a highly absorbent gritty black material that is commonly found in air and water filters. Activated Charcoal is created by carbonizing organic matter in a kiln under anaerobic conditions and activating the material with oxidizing gases like steam or air at high temperatures. This oxidative process erodes the charcoal's internal surfaces and increases its adsorption capacity by creating an internal network of very fine pores. Usually bone char, coconut shells, peat, coal, petroleum coke, and sawdust are the starting materials for making Activated Charcoal.
EARLY USE OF CHARCOAL
The medical uses for charcoal date back to the Egyptian Papyrus of 1550 B.C. During the time of Hippocrates (400 B.C.) physicians treated epilepsy and anthrax with charcoal. In the 1700's charcoal was often prescribed for bilious problems (excessive bile excretion). After the development of the charcoal activation process (1870 to 1920), many reports appeared in medical journals about Activated Charcoal as an antidote for poisons and a cure for intestinal disorders.
CONTEMPORARY CHARCOAL USE
Modern research has validated most of the early uses for charcoal and discovered exciting new applications. This article will discuss the many important therapeutic uses for Activated Charcoal;
1. Universal antidote for drugs, chemicals and poisons.
2. Systemic clearance of drugs and intoxicants.
3. General detoxification.
4. Anti-aging and life extension.
5. Reducing cholesterol, coronary disease and arteriosclerosis.
6. Counteracting pathogens.
7. Intestinal complaints.
ANTIDOTE FOR DRUGS, CHEMICALS AND POISONS
Activated Charcoal has the well-earned reputation of being a universal antidote. It can adsorb most organic chemicals, many inorganic chemicals and countless poisonous substances before they can cause harm. The table below lists different examples of the types of substances that Activated Charcoal can counteract.
How well Activated Charcoal really works in practical situations depends on several different factors:
1. The type of toxicant (its chemical structure and physical properties).
2. The amount and type of charcoal ingested.
3. The length of time from toxin ingestion to Activated Charcoal ingestion.
4. The contents of your intestinal fluids and intestinal transport efficiency.
As a general rule, a single large dose of Activated Charcoal should be taken as soon as possible after ingesting a poison. The amount of Activated Charcoal should exceed the toxic substance by a factor of eight (a ratio of 8:1). In other words, if you're poisoned with 5 grams of a chemical, you need to take at least 40 grams of Activated Charcoal.
Other researchers recommend different dosages. Some experts believe a 10 to 1 ratio is correct. Still other experts recommend a fixed amount of 50 to 100 grams.
I recommend ingesting a minimum of 50 grams of Activated Charcoal as a counterpoison, because ingesting large amounts of Activated Charcoal is harmless, and taking too little is ineffective. Besides, how often in the case of an emergency can you precisely determine the amount of the poison. The actual effectiveness of the Activated Charcoal will vary, so take more than you think you require.
Activated Charcoal should be taken within 30 minutes of ingesting the poison. The longer the delay, the less effective Activated Charcoal will be. On some poisons delaying more than 30 minutes decreases the effectiveness of the Activated Charcoal as an antidote by up to 60%.
The bottom line is plain and simple. Keeping Activated Charcoal in your medicine cabinet and taking it if you are poisoned could save your life, and money as well. It has been estimated that use of Activated Charcoal for treating poisonings could reduce the stay in intensive care from 3 or 4 days to one, saving over $100,000,000 in health care costs and preventing unnecessary disability and death.
SYSTEMIC CLEARANCE OF DRUGS AND INTOXICANTS
Nowadays, Activated Charcoal is often used to clear drugs and intoxicants that can enter the body through the intestinal tract, and even by injection and other routes. The systemic clearance of toxic substances or detoxification by Activated Charcoal is accomplished by taking multiple daily doses.
Activated Charcoal detoxifies the body in several manners.
1. Purifies the 6-8 liters of digestive fluids that are secreted daily which in turn helps remove foreign substances from the blood.
2. Adsorbs the intoxicant substance and its metabolites that are excreted into the small intestine from the biliary (bile) tract, preventing their reabsorption.
3. Adsorbs drugs that diffuse back into the stomach and intestines.
4. Decreases the detoxification work load of the liver.
Activated Charcoal shortens the time it take an intoxicant to leave the system and decreases the duration and intensity of symptoms. I have found that people who take Activated Charcoal after drinking alcohol or taking recreational drugs such as cocaine or amphetamines recover quicker. I recommend Activated Charcoal as part of a drug recovery program to ease withdrawal symptoms and reduce drug craving. Other nutrients that help are the neurotransmitter precursors: L-Tyrosine, L-Tryptophan, L-Phenylalanine, Choline and DMAE (Dimethylaminoethanol).
Even experts disagree on the best way of using multiple doses of Activated Charcoal to remove intoxicants. Most protocols are based on experience with drug overdosages. In actual clinical situations, the Activated Charcoal regimen is optimized to the patient. The doctor considers the type of toxic substance, severity of intoxification, digestive functions and electrolyte balance.
For mild overdoses and intoxification, I suggest up to 80-100 grams divided into 4-6 daily doses of Activated Charcoal until the symptoms are eliminated. Consult an expert who can optimize your regimen.
For a dangerous overdosage call your physician or hospital immediately.
GENERAL DETOXIFICATION
Very few health practitioners realize that Activated Charcoal is the best single supplement for enhancing detoxification. Detoxification is an on-going biological process that prevents toxins (from infectious agents, food, air, water, and substances that contact the skin) from destroying health. Chronic exposure to toxins produces cellular damage, diverse diseases, allergic like reactions, compromised immunity and premature aging.
There are 2 ways of using Activated Charcoal in a daily detox plan that I have found work well and recommend:
1. Use Activated Charcoal on 2 consecutive days each week. Take 20-35 grams each day divided into 2 or 3 doses. Take in the morning, at midday and before bed on an empty stomach. Avoid excessive calories or unhealthy foods on those days.
2. Take about 20 grams a day of Activated Charcoal in divided doses for several months. Follow Activated Charcoal usage by a 1 month break and resume the cycle. If you plan on using Activated Charcoal daily, consult your physician.
In addition to Activated Charcoal, the ideal detoxification prescription includes sauna baths, exercise, a special diet, and supplements (unsaturated fatty acids, vitamin C, niacin, proteolytic (protein digesting) enzymes, and a comprehensive multiple nutrient formula.
ANTI-AGING & LIFE EXTENSION
Dr. V. V. Frolkis, a famous Russian Gerontologist, and his colleagues have discovered that Activated Charcoal is a potent life-extending agent. Activated Charcoal has been found to increase the mean lifespan of older test animals by approximately 50% and their maximum lifespan by approximately 34%.
1. Activated Charcoal decreases the age-related increase in the brain's sensitivity to drugs and toxins.
2. Activated Charcoal keeps cholesterol and lipid metabolism under proper control.
3. The regular use of Activated Charcoal improves the adaptive functioning of essential organs (the liver, kidneys, and adrenals). That translates into better defense mechanisms.
NOTE: See Abstract below.
Microscopic tissue analysis shows that Activated Charcoal prevents many cellular changes associated with aging-decreased protein synthesis, lower RNA activity, atherosclerosis, and organ fibrosis. So the cumulative effects from Activated Charcoal are longer life and improved overall health. The recommended protocol for anti-aging and life extension benefits is the same as for general detoxification.
REDUCING CHOLESTEROL AND CORONARY ARTERY DISEASE
You can help your heart and circulatory system by taking Activated Charcoal. Activated Charcoal lowers the concentration of total lipids, cholesterol, and triglycerides in the blood serum, liver, heart and brain. In one study that was reported in the British journal Lancet on patients with high cholesterol, 8 gm.. of Activated Charcoal taken three times a day lowered total cholesterol 25%, lowered LDL cholesterol 41% and doubled their HDL/LDL (high-density lipoprotein/low-density lipoprotein) cholesterol ratio. Microscopic tissue examination studies have shown that a daily dose of Activated Charcoal may prevent sclerotic changes in the heart and coronary blood vessels.
To help your heart and blood vessels, I suggest the following: 12-17 grams of Activated Charcoal twice a day for 1 month under the guidance of a physician who can measure cardiovascular improvements and cholesterol levels.
COUNTERACTING PATHOGENS
Activated Charcoal reduces the activity of some viruses. So if you catch a cold or the flu, try Activated Charcoal. You may suffer less and heal faster.
Activated Charcoal also prevents the poisonous activity of many harmful bacteria in the human body by adsorbing the toxins and enzymes that they generate. Studies have shown that Activated Charcoal is an effective treatment for dysentery, cholera, and many infectious conditions of the digestive tract.
SYSTEMIC CANDIDIASIS
Activated Charcoal can be an effective adjunct to any regimen for the treatment of systemic Candida albicans infections.
1. Activated Charcoal adsorbs much of the toxins that Candida produces that otherwise would be absorbed by the blood and carried throughout the body. These toxins produce pathological changes in tissues and organs and interfere with proper immune function. Candida toxins cause allergic reactions and are responsible for the debilitating symptoms of Candidiasis.
2. Activated Charcoal suppresses the growth of intestinal-based yeasts.
3. Activated Charcoal counteracts the Herxheimer reaction - a severe, short-term exacerbation of Candida symptoms caused by the copious amount of toxins produced by dying yeast cells as a result of a successful treatment. The Herxheimer reaction is often so unpleasant that patients abandon treatment before completion. Activated Charcoal is one method for alleviating the symptoms of yeast die-off so people can continue their treatment and not suffer.
I suggest 20-35 grams of Activated Charcoal a day in divided dosages on an empty stomach until the problem is eliminated. The larger amount is taken for more severe situations.
Again, a reminder: do NOT take required medications within 2 hours of taking Activated Charcoal.
INTESTINAL COMPLAINTS
Activated Charcoal has been used by physicians since the last century to treat various intestinal complaints. Abdominal distension (bloating) and flatulence respond favorably to treatment with Activated Charcoal. Diarrhea caused by food poisoning, bacteria, nervousness and other factors is usually alleviated by taking Activated Charcoal. Some physicians have used Activated Charcoal to stop bleeding from ulcerative colitis and calm spastic colons.
Activated Charcoal is the best intestinal deodorant available. Taking Activated Charcoal counteracts decomposition products from food (such as beans) that cause flatulence and diarrhea. Individuals with malodorous stools should reach for Activated Charcoal capsules. Travelers to foreign countries would be wise to pack Activated Charcoal. In my opinion, Activated Charcoal is the most practical way to effectively counteract food poisoning.
To alleviate intestinal disorders with Activated Charcoal, I recommend the following: as an antidote for food poisoning, take 4-12 grams of Activated Charcoal 3 times daily; for other intestinal complaints, take 4-10 grams of Activated Charcoal twice daily.
CHARCOAL IS SAFE
Toxicology studies have proven that Activated Charcoal is basically harmless. Ingesting high dosages does not interfere with sleep, appetite or well being - or cause major problems. There are several undesirable effects of using Activated Charcoal that can be avoided by complying with the following directions.
Activated Charcoal is highly adsorbent; when it is ingested at the same time as medication, supplements and foods it may decrease their absorption and utilization. Therefore, always allow 2 hours before and wait 2 hours after using Activated Charcoal to eat, take supplements or swallow medication.
Activated Charcoal has a natural tendency to cause constipation. That can be counteracted by taking small amounts of Cascara sagrada bark, a mild herbal laxative, with the Activated Charcoal.
Finally Activated Charcoal harmlessly blackens your stools. Although black-gray stools look strange, they can be used to calculate your bowel transit time. Just measure the length of time from taking Activated Charcoal to the appearance of darkened stools.
NOT ALL CHARCOAL IS ALIKE
Numerous companies manufacture Activated Charcoals, each of which can have different adsorptive capacities. Different source materials and manufacturing procedures give each brand of Activated Charcoal it's own pore diameters and internal volume that determine its adsorption capacity.
The U.S.P. (United States Pharmacopoeia) standard for Activated Charcoal specifies an internal surface area of 1000 m2/g (square meters per gram). Recently, several companies have begun manufacturing Super Activated Charcoals, with up to 3 times the internal surface area per gram and far greater adsorption power than standard Activated Charcoal. For example, Super Char (available from Gulf Western) has an internal surface area of 3000 m2/g. Actidose Aqua (Paddock) has a surface area of 1600 m2/g. In this article, all the recommended dosages for Activated Charcoal are based on the standard of 1000 m2/g. If you can obtain a Super Activated Charcoal, use proportionately less.
POWDERS, CAPSULES, TABLETS
I prefer capsules because they are convenient and non-messy. Activated Charcoal tablets are not effective - they take too long to disintegrate and release the Activated Charcoal. Activated Charcoal powder is the best way to quickly ingest a large dose, but unfortunately it is messy, tastes like a Charcoal briquette, and blackens your teeth, gums and tongue.
IDEAL CHARCOAL PREPARATION
I have developed a special Activated Charcoal preparation called Absorb for the Age Reduction Corporation. Absorb contains a Super-Adsorption Activated Charcoal, a small amount of the herb Cascara sagrada (to counteract Charcoal-induced constipation), and 13 primary Homeopathic cleansing remedies. Absorb is encapsulated in oversized capsules, for rapid disintegration and so fewer capsules are required than with other Activated Charcoal capsules.
NOTE: Absorb is NOT available anymore.
Abstract:
"The effect of repeated courses of enterosorption upon the mean and maximal lifespan and some functional and metabolic indices was determined in 28-month old Wistar rats. Significant increase of mean and maximal lifespan of old rats was noted at certain regimens of enterosorption. The experimental animals demonstrated less marked age-related structural and ultrastructural changes in the liver, kidneys, myocardium, intestines, pancreas, as compared with control animals. Enterosorption leads to a reduction of pentobarbital-induced sleep, decrease of content of cytochrome P-450, blood cholesterol and triglyglycerides, cardiac and cerebral tissue cholesterol, total lipids, liver cholesterol and triglycerides. Enterosorption was found to increase the RNA and protein biosynthesis in the liver, kidneys and adrenals of old animals."
*And Last Paragraph:
"Thus, the data presented suggests that the enterosorption has a potent effect upon an aging organism. This notion can be supported by the enterosorption-induced changes in lifespan prolongation, structural and ultrastructural changes, shifts in protein, and RNA biosynthesis and in lipid metabolism, in the content of microsomal enzymes, and so forth. This work substantiates the need for a further search for regimens of enterosorption, and combination of it with other effects, aimed at lifespan prolongation. Currently, the question remains whether the described enterosorption effects are related with the sorption of the known or suppsosed metabolites, or with the changes in the content of some physiologically active substances and subsequent regulatory transformations, or with both. The main thing is the experiments with enterosorption persuade that altering the humoral environment of an organism may affect the rate of aging, the biological age of animals, and thus their lifespan."
REFERENCES:
D.O. Cooney, Activated Charcoal Antidotal and other Medical Uses. Marcel Dekker, New York and Basel, 1983.
V. Frolkis, et al., "Enterosorption in prolonging old animal life." Exp. Gerontol. 19; 217-25, 1984.
E.P. Krenzelok and M. B. Heller, "In vivo comparative effectiveness of five commercial activated charcoal products." Vet. Hum. Toxicol, 28; 498, 1986.
K. Kulig, et al., "Management of acutely poisoned patients without gastric emptying." Ann. Emerg. Med. 114:562-67, 1985.
P. Kuusisto, et al., "Effect of activated charcoal on hypercholesterolemia." Lancet 16: 366-67, August 1986.
J. Mattson and H. J. Mark, Activated Carbon. Marcel Dekker, New York and Basel, 1971.
G. Park, et al., "Expanded role of charcoal in the poisoned and overdosed patient." Arch. Int. Med. 146: 969-73, 1986.
Reduction of Human Organchalide Burdens, Foundation for Advancements in Science and Education, Los Angeles, California, 1983.
J. A. Riese and F. Damrac, "Use of activated charcoal in gastroenterology: value for flatulence and nervous diarrhea." J. Am. Ger. Soc. 12: 500, 1964.
W. Watson, "Factors influencing the clinical efficacy of activated charcoal." Drug Intelligence and Clinical Pharmacy 21: 160-66, 1987.
Navarro RP; Navarro KR; Krenzelok EP Relative efficacy and palatability of three activated charcoal mixtures. Vet Hum Toxicol, 19(8):6-9 1980 Feb.
Gwilt PR; Perrier D Influence of thickening agents on the antidotal efficacy of activated charcoal. Clin Toxicol, 19(8):89-92 1976.
Topuzov EG; Beliakov NA; Malachev MM; Umerov AK; Solomennikov AV; Gritsenko IV; Kokaia AA Use of enterosorption in biliary tract cancers complicated with mechanical jaundice. Vopr Onkol, 42(2):100-3 1996.
Beloshitski(r)i VV A clinico-biochemical basis for the use of enterosorption in severe craniocerebral trauma Lik Sprava, 42(5):145-8 1997 Sep-Oct.
Krylov AA; Beliakov NA; Sapego AV; Stolov SV Enterosorption in ulcerative lesions of the gastrointestinal tract with concomitant intestinal dysbacteriosis Ter Arkh, 68(2):24-7 1996.
Riechkina OO A clinical assessment of the detoxifying effect of enterosorption in treating tuberculosis of the respiratory organs in children Lik Sprava, 5(5):62-4 1998 Aug.
Andreichyn MA; Lutsuk OS; Andreichyn SM; Kopcha VS [The enterosorption treatment of patients with acute intestinal infections and chronic colitis with diarrhea Lik Sprava, EA-(7-9):147-51 1996 Jul-Sep.
Andreichyn MA; Lutsuk OS; Andreichyn SM; Kopcha VS Enterosorption as a method for prolonging life. Fiziol Cheloveka, 22(7-9):131-5 1996 May-Jun.
 
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Since my gut has had issues for a while now, I'll pull out the big guns. A TBSP it is! :D

Thank you 4peatssake! :)
 

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The information on activated charcoal is really helpful.

I am wondering if it also negates absorption of supplements through the skin. If I apply the Lotioncrafter vitamin E on the skin around the same time, or rub progest-e on gums.

Kaufman says to take twice a day for intestinal disorders, with 2 hours before and after food. I don't have a four-hour window during the day, as I eat every couple of hours to meet my caloric requirements.

I guess I could take the first dose 2 hours after breakfast and miss my mid-morning snack. At this point, my stomach is expanded to what seems its maximum nearly all the time, and I'm thinking of trying high doses of charcoal (2 x 4g daily).
 
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I am wondering if it also negates absorption of supplements through the skin. If I apply the Lotioncrafter vitamin E on the skin around the same time, or rub progest-e on gums.
It seems absorption through the outer skin should be unaffected, since the charcoal comes in contact with only your inner skin, which is the lining of the digestive tract.

sunmountain said:
Kaufman says to take twice a day for intestinal disorders, with 2 hours before and after food. I don't have a four-hour window during the day, as I eat every couple of hours to meet my caloric requirements.

I guess I could take the first dose 2 hours after breakfast and miss my mid-morning snack. At this point, my stomach is expanded to what seems its maximum nearly all the time, and I'm thinking of trying high doses of charcoal (2 x 4g daily).
May I say, first, you're getting ripped when you're eating every couple of hours! Hope you're having your sugar? :mrgreen:

And also, to your question, I think if you can wait two hours after your most nutrient rich meal, maybe your supplements or food like liver, then you'll be fine to take the activated charcoal with your next meal, if that makes sense?
 

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I wouldn't take activated charcoal with a meal.

A single 50 gram dose taken away from food and supplements is a much better option in my view than running the risk of adsorbing important nutrients taking it too close to meals or supplements - especially if I am going to use it for a period of time to correct gut issues. It is something I wish to work on its own, uninterrupted by digestion and/or adsorption of healthy nutrients.

Taking multiple doses of activated charcoal can probably work for someone eating three meals a day but it's probably next to impossible for someone eating several meals and taking supplements several times a day.

It is very powerful stuff. A standard 50 gram dose of activated charcoal has the surface area of 10 football fields.

Ray Peat said:
Charcoal, besides binding and removing toxins, is also a powerful catalyst for the oxidative destruction of many toxic chemicals. In a sense, it anticipates the action of the protective enzymes of the intestinal wall and the liver.

I'm not so sure about it not adsorbing supplements applied orally - still looking into that one. To be on the safe side, I would avoid taking them close to the charcoal. It's that powerful.

Check out this man's story. Wow.

A half mile away, a refinery employee had accidentally turned the wrong valve and exposed us to one of the most carcinogenic substances in the United States. Benzene affects the eyesight, nervous system, kidneys, and liver. “When we arrived at the hospital we were all given blood tests. These tests revealed that all eighteen of us had dangerous levels of benzene in our blood systems. The doctors at the hospital explained that it would take up to a year for the benzene to leave our systems, and the damage it would do would vary from blindness to liver cancer to kidney failure, and highly possible to death. There was no known treatment to remove the benzene from the blood. “That morning there were eighteen very scared men, who had come from all over the United Stated to earn a living for their families. Their lives were now being given an expiration date of five to seven years. A friend suggested I take activated charcoal three times a day and not to miss a dose. “After taking the charcoal , I made an appointment with my family doctor. I told him about the benzene and asked for another blood test. When the test came back a week later, it showed that I had no benzene in my system. The doctor said that my case had caused him to spend a lot of time reading about benzene and, according to all he had read, there was no way the body could rid itself of benzene in less than twelve months. He said that the lab knew this also, and they would give me another test for free. Those results also came back, NO BENZENE in my body!!! “About six months later, the contractor refused to pay for any testing done to me. This led to a court action because federal law, workman’s compensation, and O.C.C.A. regulations said the contractor was fully responsible. Approximately three years later I went to court. “Upon arriving, I met a man who was scheduled to appear in court at the same time as I was. After introductions, it turned out that he was with a law firm representing seventeen men who had filed a class action suit due to benzene poisoning in Lima, Ohio in 1994. The court did not know that I was not part of that lawsuit, and had scheduled me at the same time in the same courtroom. The attorney explained to me that two of his clients suffered from blindness, four were on kidney dialysis, and all were being treated by a neurological psychiatrist. The lawyer was amazed that my benzene level had been more than twice that of any of his clients, yet I had no health problems whatsoever. He said that it was nothing short of a miracle for me. It wasn’t a miracle it was charcoal.
 
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Can someone tell me, what is a normal elimination time for charcoal and can it cause constipation?
 
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Can someone tell me, what is a normal elimination time for charcoal and can it cause constipation?
It seems we are on the bio-hacking frontier with this, but yes, it can cause constipation, and taking cascara is the suggested remedy. I think normal elimination time depends on your own rate of peristalsis, but no more than a day until you see the color of the charcoal in the elimination.
 

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It seems we are on the bio-hacking frontier with this, but yes, it can cause constipation, and taking cascara is the suggested remedy. I think normal elimination time depends on your own rate of peristalsis, but no more than a day until you see the color of the charcoal in the elimination.
Vision. Please never use this term ever again! LOL its so terrible its not funny. You may continue with all the other interesting word choices you like to use however!
 

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Should we start a separate Activated Charcoal thread now?

I'll try 7 capsules next time before bed, Vos.

I just took 2, having never taken it in the daytime or so close to a meal before. But I was sitting here getting that aggravating itchy scalp at hairline like I do sometimes, particularly in the evening and at night, and thought why not try it and see if it helps. I wonder if something in my meal an hour ago messed up my serotonin/histamine. Or I'm just more prone to this happening later in the day/night. But I will get this annoying itch on scalp - especially in the hairline/bangs area and sometimes even end up pulling out some hair on purpose.
 
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visionofstrength said:
It seems we are on the bio-hacking frontier with this, but yes, it can cause constipation, and taking cascara is the suggested remedy. I think normal elimination time depends on your own rate of peristalsis, but no more than a day until you see the color of the charcoal in the elimination.
Vision. Please never use this term ever again! LOL its so terrible its not funny. You may continue with all the other interesting word choices you like to use however!
And here I thought I was being semantically conservative by hyphenating! :lol:
 
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Jennifer said:
Can someone tell me, what is a normal elimination time for charcoal and can it cause constipation?

I haven't thought of taking big doses of AC before now, but I'm game to experiment with it to some degree. I usually take 2 capsules once per week before bed, which is about 560 mg. I thought I was being a rebel by throwing in an extra capsule the other night. Anyway, I try to put an hour or two between AC and anything else I take. If i have a magnesium a couple hours before bed, for example, I'll take the AC on my last bathroom trip before lights out. Transit time is when I wake up the next morning. 6 - 8 hours for me. No issue with constipation but I tend toward diarrhea anyway. Not sure what would happen if I take a massive dose.

I took a tablespoon of the AC right before bed and transit time was the next morning, but it's still coming. All I can think is..."Lordy, how toxic am I?" :shock:

On a happy note...my gut is loving the "Ripped" way of eating. Tonight I'm making cold-brew coffee concentrate to add to my milk to get in magnesium and other minerals. I hope I tolerate it. :pray
 
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Peata said:
I haven't thought of taking big doses of AC before now, but I'm game to experiment with it to some degree. I usually take 2 capsules once per week before bed, which is about 560 mg. I thought I was being a rebel by throwing in an extra capsule the other night.
Hi, Peata! Welcome! The dose suggested by some in this thread is 1/2 tablespoon of activated charcoal in powder form, to start, and increasing to 1 tablespoon. I think 1 tablespoon would be little less than 4,000 milligrams by weight, so maybe 7 of the 560 mg capsules you mention?

Yeah, that's about right! I used 14 capsules to get a tablespoon.
 

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Have you taken it close to a meal, and had significant adverse effects? (FWIW, I have have, and have not.)
No, but I have taken it after eating bad food and gotten swift relief. ;)

Taking it on an empty stomach, except in extreme cases of poisoning etc., is wise in my view and a pretty standard recommendation in all the literature I've read.

That said I certainly worry less about taking it with food than medication.
 
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Taking it on an empty stomach, except in extreme cases of poisoning etc., is wise in my view and a pretty standard recommendation in all the literature I've read.
Thanks, 4p! The goal of Getting Ripped is to try not to have an empty stomach. So you can see the conflict. ;)

The study that Peat cites says, “The gerontologist, V.V. Frolkis, recently found that mice lived 43% longer than animals on the standard diet when they periodically had activated charcoal added to their food. This is the clearest evidence I have seen that “bowel toxins” make a major contribution to the aging process.”

Is there another study I'm not seeing, that separates the charcoal from the food somehow?
 

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How often can we use AC? I read on other sites some people take it daily or use it in water that they sip daily. I don't think RP looked on daily use favorably though.

adding: from Functional Alps Site:

Activated charcoal can absorb many toxins, including bacterial endotoxin, so it is likely to reduce serotonin absorption from the intestine. Since it can also bind or destroy vitamins, it should be used only intermittently. Frolkis, et al. (1989, 1984) found that it extended median and average lifespan of rats, beginning in old age (28 months) by 43% and 34%, respectively, when given in large quantities (equivalent to about a cup per day for humans) for ten days of each month.”

I have previously discussed the use of antibiotics (and/or carrot fiber and/or charcoal) to relieve the premenstrual syndrome, and have mentioned the study in which the lifespan was extended by occasionally adding charcoal to the diet. A few years ago, I heard about a Mexican farmer who collected his neighbors’ runt pigs, and got them to grow normally by adding charcoal to their diet. This probably achieves the same thing as adding antibiotics to their food, which is practiced by pig farmers in the US to promote growth and efficient use of food. Charcoal, besides binding and removing toxins, is also a powerful catalyst for the oxidative destruction of many toxic chemicals. In a sense, it anticipates the action of the protective enzymes of the intestinal wall and the liver.”

Aging, stress, and heavy consumption of alcohol increase the permeability of the intestine, causing increased absorption of microbial toxins. Laxatives, carrot fiber (not carrotjuice), activated charcoal, and a small amount of sodium thiosulfate decrease the formation and absorption of toxins, increasing the organism’s adaptive capacity.”

http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/09/28/ray-peat-phd-on-the-benefits-of-the-raw-carrot/
 
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Peata said:
Frolkis, et al. (1989, 1984) found that it extended median and average lifespan of rats, beginning in old age (28 months) by 43% and 34%, respectively, when given in large quantities (equivalent to about a cup per day for humans) for ten days of each month.”
Is Peat suggesting by 'intermittent' every third day (i.e., ten days a month)?

Is a tablespoon enough, because a cup is 16 tablespoons!

Maybe the takeaway is: it matters more whether your endotoxic stress is improved, and less so the amount or the frequency?
 

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visionofstrength said:
4peatssake said:
Taking it on an empty stomach, except in extreme cases of poisoning etc., is wise in my view and a pretty standard recommendation in all the literature I've read.
Thanks, 4p! The goal of Getting Ripped is to try not to have an empty stomach. So you can see the conflict. ;)

The study that Peat cites says, “The gerontologist, V.V. Frolkis, recently found that mice lived 43% longer than animals on the standard diet when they periodically had activated charcoal added to their food. This is the clearest evidence I have seen that “bowel toxins” make a major contribution to the aging process.”

Is there another study I'm not seeing, that separates the charcoal from the food somehow?
Ha touche, I don't advocate an empty stomach either. But I do deliberately take charcoal away from the ingestion of food, medication and supplements.

I'm aware of Peat's quote on FPS. To be clear, I don't think the quote comes from the actual study but is what Peat is quoted as saying to advance his argument about bowel toxins, in which I agree.

That being said, I wrote to him for further clarification as I'm still not convinced it's wise to take activated charcoal with "optimal" food.
 

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