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Perfect, thanks for sharing! Any effects on muscles and mood/cognition, as these are also seemingly affected by finasteride?
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Pansterone - Liquid Pregnenolone/DHEA Mix
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Perfect, thanks for sharing! Any effects on muscles and mood/cognition, as these are also seemingly affected by finasteride?
schaef34
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Mood was never an issue for me. The major thing, outside of the sexual stuff, is just a general drop in energy.
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Haidut what's a good time frame for taking an occasional break from Pansterone?
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OK, thanks. It would be interesting to see if other with PFS experience
I'd say 1 week every 4 weeks.
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Oh, so this should be cycled then? What is the purpose of taking a break from Pansterone?
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What about them? They don't degrade, if that is what you mean by "stability". Both pregnenolone and DHEA are pretty stable to oxidation and other external assaults. It is actually established practice in research circles to administer steroids in DMSO + ethanol solution and even keep the steroids pre-dissolved for years before application.
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Does it really need to be cycled?
Is this an androgen receptor issue?
Is this an androgen receptor issue?
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I don't think it needs to be cycled like other "real" steroids bodybuilders use. It's just that after some time people notice adaptation and plateau of benefits, so resetting the steroid pathways is probably prudent. I think Peat recommends taking breaks periodically no matter what you take exonegously. It's both routine-breaking (so opposing serotonin) and gives the ability to see if there was something in a supplement that was irritating the system.
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Thanks
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It may, but in general based on what Peat has said and studies I have seen with animals AND humans, staying at or below 15mg DHEA daily dose seems to be fine. In one human study, intake of even 18mg ended up increasing estrogen while lower doses did not. It also happens to be a physiological dose as young people produce 12mg - 15mg DHEA daily. So, the 15mg is sweet spot that has a lot of evidence in support of that dose.
But YMMV and experiment for yourself is the ultimate arbiter.
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I've been experimenting with Pansterone for a week, and I am very excited about it, judging by the early returns. I've noticed a slight increase in libido, more assertiveness at work (not aggression, mind you, but assertiveness), pretty good mood, even when dealing with a stressful situation that popped up (and three nights of poor sleep because of it), and, perhaps most interesting, some improvement on the skin on my arms (I've had Keratosis Pilaris for as long as I remember, and this is the smoothest they've felt in a while).
To be fair, the skin smoothness might be from some other things- I also got another order of Solban, I made up a caffeine free niacinamide spray to use at night, and I also switched to a higher gamma e, and a higher dose. But I don't remember this from either higher dose E or Solban in the past. Might very well be the combo.
I actually brought Pansterone to increase Testosterone and DHT. T has been in the low 300's for a while (with an exception I'll note in a moment), and was thinking of pulling the trigger on TRT, or getting some DHT cream. But, as I was going back over some old labs, remembered that I had gotten it up to 589 while loosely using some of the things that Haidut had done in his Testosterone Experiment. I've actually been thinking of doing a log on this forum, if anyone thinks that might be insightful. I've logged my food intake pretty much every day on Fitbit for the past year, and that helped quite a bit with weight loss, so I would keep it up to date pretty much daily, and it would prolly help keep me on track as well.
Lastly, Haidut, your supplements are awesome, I look forward to trying more over time, I dig the studies you post on the forum, and have really enjoyed your conversations with Danny Roddy.
To be fair, the skin smoothness might be from some other things- I also got another order of Solban, I made up a caffeine free niacinamide spray to use at night, and I also switched to a higher gamma e, and a higher dose. But I don't remember this from either higher dose E or Solban in the past. Might very well be the combo.
I actually brought Pansterone to increase Testosterone and DHT. T has been in the low 300's for a while (with an exception I'll note in a moment), and was thinking of pulling the trigger on TRT, or getting some DHT cream. But, as I was going back over some old labs, remembered that I had gotten it up to 589 while loosely using some of the things that Haidut had done in his Testosterone Experiment. I've actually been thinking of doing a log on this forum, if anyone thinks that might be insightful. I've logged my food intake pretty much every day on Fitbit for the past year, and that helped quite a bit with weight loss, so I would keep it up to date pretty much daily, and it would prolly help keep me on track as well.
Lastly, Haidut, your supplements are awesome, I look forward to trying more over time, I dig the studies you post on the forum, and have really enjoyed your conversations with Danny Roddy.
I imagine a lot of people would find that helpful.
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Thank you very much for the great review! If you do get labs please share with the forum. Also, instead of checking DHT (which may also help) a better indication of androgenic activity is androstanediol glucuronide (ADG) and most labs can test for it but the doctor has to order it. There are some other surrogates for tissue expression of 5-AR and the doctor knows how to test for those as well. I think a good surrogate for androgenicity are prolactin (obvious) and estrone sulfate (E1S). In combination they can probably replace all other hormonal tests that bodybuilders do.
Just my 2c.
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anyone with hair loss try pansterone? did it increase your hair loss? decrease it?
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Holy bananas, this stuff is amazing. Even one drop on my balls makes me into a clever, horny, overconfident monster. Well done, haidut.
Yeah, i am also trying to find out what can help with hair loss. I have just ordered pansterone and I am really hoping it will help for thinning hair and libido + fatigue.
Haidut,
I found a bottle of Pansterone in my frig last night-- I don't remember when I bought it, but it is the olive oil-based one, not the current one with DMSO. I have a couple of questions if you wouldn't mind giving a response:
1) What would the exp date likely be of the old formula, and is it likely to keep longer since it's been refrigerated? Do you suggest keeping it cold until use?
2) As to the discussion about topical vs oral, if I put it under the tongue, say 3 drops, and let it sit there, will it absorb similar to the skin-topical approach, thereby getting less than swallowing same amount?
3) What is the dosage per the old formula?
4) For women who are cycling, do you advise to discontinue during this phase, taking it only 3 weeks/month, same as Progestene?
Thank you,
p.s. Just checked your products and realize that I may have, and be describing, your STRESS-NON, not PANSTERONE. I'm pretty sure the one I have only has the Pregn, not the DHA. (If it helps you any to be sure, the bottle is white, slender, about twice the size of say, MelaNon bottle.)
Thanks-
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