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Milky · Aug 18, 2015

I ordered some of that same casein powder to try and so far so good. No apparent adverse reaction and it makes me feel nice and calm before bed. I've started out with just mixing a big spoonful of it into coffee twice a day though instead of the suggested scoop size. I'm experimenting with using it to cut back on my milk/liquid intake.

alebaba · Aug 18, 2015

jaywills said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95673/ Hi Nate,
I have been thinking about the Calcium/Phosphorous ratio for some time, and thinking of ways of keeping phosphorous as low as possible to quiet the PTH. I know Peat mentions the balance being ideally 2:1, or 1:1, but surely even higher calcium to phosphorous would be ideal for someone suffering from high prolactin and wants to lower it. Thus...

Were you tracking your phosphorous intake during this period?

Having entered 2 examples of Casein into cronometer, a 1 scoop serving of casein provides 600mg of calcium with 0 phosphorous. Just postulating here, but with the majority of your protein coming from casein, do you think that your successes could have been partly due to the very LOW phosphorous?

Cottage Cheese, Milk despite its high casein or calcium content also contains plenty of phosphorous so these sources would not work. I think you could be on to something here by using the supplemental powder.

Actually Casein powder does contain phosphate. Check this nutrition label http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518Rbh92XrL.jpg

Remember, cronometer doesn't always display all the stats.

Im following op protocol exactly except for alcohol and protein powder, I eat 24 oz of cottage cheese a day, thats roughly 30$ a week, just like op with his protein powder, its dam expensive -_-lol

alebaba · Aug 18, 2015

natedawggh said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95792/

itsALLgood said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/92553/

natedawggh said:

2.) High Protein intake from low tryptophan sources (I use casein to make this easier. NOT milk.). Minimum 100 g a day but generally 150-200 g.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6217&hilit=alcohol

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Why not milk? Didn't see find anything in the link you posted.

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Dr. Peat, while a fan of milk, also states the caveat that it is not an appropriate food for adults due to the excess tryptophan. I've experienced this in practice as every time I have reduced bloating, fatigue, and migraines milk instantly makes them return. I can suppress these effects by taking high doses of lysine along with drinking milk, but I think it's just easier and healthier to cut out milk for the time being. The major points for having milk is for the protein and the calcium, and by taking casein and eggshell powder I am accomplishing the same thing. (Milk has some other nice properties such as an anti-cavity substance, but the tryptophan is just too much for me)

your protein powder has the same amount of tryptophan as milk base on the nutrition label from Now.

answersfound · Aug 19, 2015

alebaba said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95963/ mount of tryptophan as milk base on the nutrition label from Now.

alebaba said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95963/

natedawggh said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95792/

itsALLgood said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/92553/

natedawggh said:

2.) High Protein intake from low tryptophan sources (I use casein to make this easier. NOT milk.). Minimum 100 g a day but generally 150-200 g.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6217&hilit=alcohol

Click to expand...

Why not milk? Didn't see find anything in the link you posted.

Click to expand...

Dr. Peat, while a fan of milk, also states the caveat that it is not an appropriate food for adults due to the excess tryptophan. I've experienced this in practice as every time I have reduced bloating, fatigue, and migraines milk instantly makes them return. I can suppress these effects by taking high doses of lysine along with drinking milk, but I think it's just easier and healthier to cut out milk for the time being. The major points for having milk is for the protein and the calcium, and by taking casein and eggshell powder I am accomplishing the same thing. (Milk has some other nice properties such as an anti-cavity substance, but the tryptophan is just too much for me)

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your protein powder has the same amount of tryptophan as milk base on the nutrition label from Now.

Dr. Peat said at one point he was drinking a gallon milk a day. It's funny how some things are completely exaggerated around here to the point of telling people to actually avoid milk. Stop worrying about the tryptophan lol. It's really not that big a deal.

charlie · Aug 22, 2015

answersfound said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95966/ Stop worrying about the tryptophan lol. It's really not that big a deal.

For some people it can be. :2cents

sladerunner69 · Aug 24, 2015

natedawggh said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/92346/ I have finally gotten a major hold on my health, and I'd like to share my current experience for those who are still struggling to bring their health under control. It has been such a great relief to be done with this painful/frustrating point in my life. Much of this has happened just over the last two/three months as I refined my regimen and made new discoveries. I figure that one can achieve complete remission of symptoms in just six months if these principals are adopted daily, as my health had not improved much until six months ago after I changed a few important things. Here are my symptoms that are totally relieved:

Mild and Severe Insomnia
Enlarged Thyroid/Thyroid tumors (3, each of different size, 1 larger than 1cm)
Fatty Liver Disease
Excema
Hair Loss
Low Body Temperature/Cold + stiff extremities
Excessive weight gain
Irritability
Severe Depression
Severe Bloating
Poor digestion
Debilitating Lower back/Kidney pain
Erectile Dysfunction
Low Stamina/Endurance
Severe Occular Pressure in my right eye/chronic bloodshot/bleeding of ducts.
Night Sweats/Excessive Sweating (hyperhidrosis)

My Tumors are gone, thyroid shrunken back to normal, fatty liver cured, Triglycerides lowered, I've lost 35 lbs gone from a 42 waist to a 38, had a huge increase in muscle mass without working out. My receding hairline has come back in almost to where it was 4 years ago, completely filled back in at the top of my head. If I have any kind of insomnia it only happens once a week and might keep me up until 2 am at the latest (as opposed to 8 am), but usually I am asleep before 12 and sleep through the entire night instead of waking repeatedly. My depression is totally gone, bloating ceased, I haven't had back pain in months, I generally have no problem being aroused (unless I've done something strenuous), and I no longer sweat profusely and for no god damn good reason!

This is the order of importance of what has enabled me to accomplish this, although I would say that NOT A SINGLE ONE is optional. If I couldn't afford these things, I'd start with the most important and work in the rest. It should be obvious that in addition to these a diet be Peat-centric.

THE SIX-MONTH HEAL EVERYTHING PROTOCOL

1.) Absolutely no alcohol. Ever. Not a drop. This is not optional, so don't bother with the rest if you're not going to do it. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6152&hilit=alcohol
2.) High Protein intake from low tryptophan sources (I use casein to make this easier. NOT milk.). Minimum 100 g a day but generally 150-200 g.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6217&hilit=alcohol
3.) Magnesium Bicarbonate (other forms are not the same)
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7330
4.) Hourly fruit/fruit juice intake/snacking to stabilize blood sugar & Coffee daily.
5.)Zinc/Copper/Iodine supplementation
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7305
6.) Take Calcium with every meal which is low in calcium, to tip phosphorus/calcium ratio toward calcium to eliminate prolactin. Calcium carbonate only. Supplement additional calcium. 2g daily minimum. (warning: do not supplement large dose at the start. You will get hypercalcaemia. Work up your doses of all mineral supplements.
7.) If Zinc/Iodine supplementation does not produce pink/red toes and fingers you must add in thyroid. If you take Zinc and Iodine and your fingers and toes turn red/pink (with recent meal eaten) You don't need to take thyroid, but it can be optional for a short period of time to get a boost, if you like. Take Zinc/Iodine as needed to maintain red/pink color in extremities, but no more than needed.
8.) L-Lysine supplementation to block serotonin (500 mg in the AM, 500 in the PM). Please read about this because it can be uncomfortable if you're not knowledgeable, and can make driving dangerous until you know how it will affect you:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6004
9.) L-Taurine supplementation to increase dopamine (which also increases other healthy hormones) (500 mg in the AM, 500 in the PM)
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6522
10.) Avoid municipal tap water because of the halides it contains.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7115&hilit=filter
11.) Take Niacinamide, 1500 mg in the morning, 1500 mg in the evening.
12.) Supplement the fat-soluble vitamins from good sources or take liver daily (or take individually) such as Estroban https://squareup.com/market/idealabs-llc/estroban, (liver is cheaper and probably better for you but Haidut's supplement is great. Take coffee with liver to bind the iron content).
13.) Add Coconut oil to your diet in any way possible.
14.) Don't engage in strenuous physical activity, but doing active things like being in the sun, walking, socializing are definitely requirements.

I used to be dismayed when I read in this forum that it takes 4 years to deplete the body of PUFAs. But I realized something recently: If you deplete 50% of the PUFAs in your body, you are 50% on your way to being better, and that would only take 1 year! (because the depletion is not linear, but exponential—even small increases in metabolism enable your body to start detoxifying the PUFAs) In addition to this you can block the effects of the PUFAs in your system with tools like Lysine and Zinc. If I had started right away with this kind of protocol I would have started feeling better in just a few weeks, amazing by 2-3 months, and totally cured of symptoms six, while still having to maintain a Peat centric diet and probably continue supplementing Lysine until every last PUFA is gone.

After reading your impressive post/results I started taking l-taurine, l-lysine in the doses you recommended. I also started taking bcaa's. A few hours after taking these aminos my anxiety skyrockets and I get intense feelings of hopelessness. Is this the uncomfortable feeling you were describing? It really sucks. It wore off a few hours later and actually my libido was a bit more than normal. Im going to have to stop taking these aminos though, that anxiety feeling is just too shitty.

Such_Saturation · Aug 24, 2015

Add tyrosine!

alebaba · Aug 28, 2015

This Casein powder, I think is even better than the Now casein powder. What do yall think
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NBILDQ8/?tag=rapefo-20
Soy Free, Gluten Free, GMO Free, and Growth Hormone Free

natedawggh · Aug 30, 2015

alebaba said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95963/

natedawggh said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95792/

itsALLgood said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/92553/

natedawggh said:

2.) High Protein intake from low tryptophan sources (I use casein to make this easier. NOT milk.). Minimum 100 g a day but generally 150-200 g.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6217&hilit=alcohol

Click to expand...

Why not milk? Didn't see find anything in the link you posted.

Click to expand...

Dr. Peat, while a fan of milk, also states the caveat that it is not an appropriate food for adults due to the excess tryptophan. I've experienced this in practice as every time I have reduced bloating, fatigue, and migraines milk instantly makes them return. I can suppress these effects by taking high doses of lysine along with drinking milk, but I think it's just easier and healthier to cut out milk for the time being. The major points for having milk is for the protein and the calcium, and by taking casein and eggshell powder I am accomplishing the same thing. (Milk has some other nice properties such as an anti-cavity substance, but the tryptophan is just too much for me)

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your protein powder has the same amount of tryptophan as milk base on the nutrition label from Now.

The measurement method would have been different as milk is not nearly as dense in protein as casein powder. The powder might have as much tryptophan in one scoop as there is 1 glass of milk, but it has SIX TO EIGHT TIMES the amount of other amino acids in one scoop as in 1 glass of milk. That means there is a huge reduction in the ratio of tryptophan to other amino acids in the casein powder, which is the entire point of using casein and the point that you didn't understand. This occurs because most of the tryptophan is contained in the whey, which is separated from the milk leaving casein. For instance, there is a 3:1 ratio of Leucine to Tryptophan in milk, but an 8:1 ratio in casein powder, hence the reduced action of tryptophan on the body in the consumption of casein compared to milk. The measurement you looked at might have had a similar amount of tryptophan in milligrams, but that's only because concentration of total protein is so much greater. 24 grams in the powder compared to only 9 grams of protein in milk.

natedawggh · Aug 30, 2015

answersfound said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95966/

alebaba said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95963/ mount of tryptophan as milk base on the nutrition label from Now.

Click to expand...

alebaba said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95963/

natedawggh said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95792/

itsALLgood said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/92553/

natedawggh said:

2.) High Protein intake from low tryptophan sources (I use casein to make this easier. NOT milk.). Minimum 100 g a day but generally 150-200 g.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6217&hilit=alcohol

Click to expand...

Why not milk? Didn't see find anything in the link you posted.

Click to expand...

Dr. Peat, while a fan of milk, also states the caveat that it is not an appropriate food for adults due to the excess tryptophan. I've experienced this in practice as every time I have reduced bloating, fatigue, and migraines milk instantly makes them return. I can suppress these effects by taking high doses of lysine along with drinking milk, but I think it's just easier and healthier to cut out milk for the time being. The major points for having milk is for the protein and the calcium, and by taking casein and eggshell powder I am accomplishing the same thing. (Milk has some other nice properties such as an anti-cavity substance, but the tryptophan is just too much for me)

Click to expand...

your protein powder has the same amount of tryptophan as milk base on the nutrition label from Now.

Click to expand...

Dr. Peat said at one point he was drinking a gallon milk a day. It's funny how some things are completely exaggerated around here to the point of telling people to actually avoid milk. Stop worrying about the tryptophan lol. It's really not that big a deal.

It's funny how you counter quote my peat quote with another peat quote. If you listen to him he says that milk may be troublesome for some people. I am a walking, breathing, living case of that. Drinking milk gives me migraines and bloating, but casein powder does not. I don't know how to more clearly say that, but then again I'm not trying to convince people like you, I'm trying to provide accurate information for people who are in need of help.

natedawggh · Aug 30, 2015

Milky said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95833/ I ordered some of that same casein powder to try and so far so good. No apparent adverse reaction and it makes me feel nice and calm before bed. I've started out with just mixing a big spoonful of it into coffee twice a day though instead of the suggested scoop size. I'm experimenting with using it to cut back on my milk/liquid intake.

Yes I sleep very well at night if I have casein before bed. It's because the casein by it's nature is a "slow release" protein and can deliver amino acids to your blood stream for up to 7 hours. I found, however, that piling on more scoops is not necessarily beneficial, as it seems the body can only digest and absorb a certain amount of protein at once, (I heard 20 grams) so you're probably actually on pointe with just a big spoonful.

natedawggh · Aug 30, 2015

sladerunner69 said:
After reading your impressive post/results I started taking l-taurine, l-lysine in the doses you recommended. I also started taking bcaa's. A few hours after taking these aminos my anxiety skyrockets and I get intense feelings of hopelessness. Is this the uncomfortable feeling you were describing? It really sucks. It wore off a few hours later and actually my libido was a bit more than normal. Im going to have to stop taking these aminos though, that anxiety feeling is just too s****y.

I did experience some restlessness when I started using Taurine, but I only took one dose of 500 mg a day to start for like a week or more, and slowly built up to 1000 or 1500 a day. It could be the Taurine, but never having taken BCAAs I can't speak to whether they are causing it, especially because those BCAA products often tend to have toxic and allergenic additives in the product as well. Try one at a time so you can see.

natedawggh · Aug 30, 2015

jaywills said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95673/ Hi Nate,
I have been thinking about the Calcium/Phosphorous ratio for some time, and thinking of ways of keeping phosphorous as low as possible to quiet the PTH. I know Peat mentions the balance being ideally 2:1, or 1:1, but surely even higher calcium to phosphorous would be ideal for someone suffering from high prolactin and wants to lower it. Thus...

Were you tracking your phosphorous intake during this period?

Having entered 2 examples of Casein into cronometer, a 1 scoop serving of casein provides 600mg of calcium with 0 phosphorous. Just postulating here, but with the majority of your protein coming from casein, do you think that your successes could have been partly due to the very LOW phosphorous?

Cottage Cheese, Milk despite its high casein or calcium content also contains plenty of phosphorous so these sources would not work. I think you could be on to something here by using the supplemental powder.

That chronometer has got to be incorrect because there is most definitely phosphorus in casein, I think all amino acids have phosphorus in them, but it's not measured because it's not free like the calcium? I'm not sure exactly but it definitely is NOT zero, and not even close to it.

It is incorrect to consider the solution to the calcium/phosphorus ratio as a reduction of dietary phosphorus. Ray said that a deficit of phosphorus also raises PTH, so the solution is to increase calcium, not lower phosphorus. Yes, I think I did state in my post that an increase in my calcium intake was a major factor in my wellness. I use ground eggshells myself. Be CAUTIOUS as too much calcium can cause hypercalcaemia and you will end up in the hospital. Start from small doses and work your way up. I take eggshells with every meal that has too high a phosphorus ratio (which is almost everything). Ray talks about 2g a day TOTAL calcium as being adequate. I probably end up having 3. If you try to get 2g a day your first try you will probably vomit and get tremors, because the existing high PTH makes you more sensitive to calcium. START FROM SMALL DOSES.

natedawggh · Aug 30, 2015

alebaba said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/97216/ This Casein powder, I think is even better than the Now casein powder. What do yall think
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NBILDQ8/?tag=rapefo-20
Soy Free, Gluten Free, GMO Free, and Growth Hormone Free

HEY THAT IS AWESOME. THANK YOU. I AM TOTALLY BUYING THAT THIS TIME. I would really like to not have lecithin in it at all, and it looks like that one is processed really well. It is a lot more expensive, but I have also found that I can really only digest about 20g of casein every three or four hours, so it doesn't do me any good to put in 2 scoops every time anyway.

natedawggh · Aug 30, 2015

alebaba said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/92548/

natedawggh said:

alebaba said:

What brand of lysine supplement do you take? Ive taken calcium(egg shell) up to 2kmg, so I should be good with that.

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Swanson brand Lysine. It's cheap and doesn't have bad fillers. I take Now brand Taurine.

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Whats your lysine intake a day? I just check my cronometer and my average is around 10g. sorry for all the questions, I really want my hairline back.

I don't know the whole intake, but I know that physically I get more than adequate effects from just 500 mg twice a day. Sometimes even just once a day, but it seems to have about a 10 hour effect from one dose.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I saw that you don't cut out alcohol, and you just will never get your hair back if you even have one drink occasionally. Alcohol is SO ESTROGENIC that even a tiny amount chokes off the blood supply to the skin, and starts a cascade of stress hormones that can take weeks for an already compromised metabolism to repair. In fact sometimes a compromised digestive system can produce so much alcohol from bacteria that it is enough to prevent healing and can even make a person perpetually intoxicated or foggy. That's why the skin turns a bit ashen and dull after drinking, and there are no restorative substances that are more powerful than alcohol is destructive. If you want to grow your hair back you will have abstain the entire time it is growing back. Go ahead and try without abstaining, but when it doesn't work you will know why and eventually try to do it.

alebaba · Aug 30, 2015

natedawggh said:
alebaba said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/97216/ This Casein powder, I think is even better than the Now casein powder. What do yall think
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NBILDQ8/?tag=rapefo-20
Soy Free, Gluten Free, GMO Free, and Growth Hormone Free

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HEY THAT IS AWESOME. THANK YOU. I AM TOTALLY BUYING THAT THIS TIME. I would really like to not have lecithin in it at all, and it looks like that one is processed really well. It is a lot more expensive, but I have also found that I can really only digest about 20g of casein every three or four hours, so it doesn't do me any good to put in 2 scoops every time anyway.

I ordered it last night, it should arrive tomorow. Ill let you know how it is. :)

charlie · Aug 30, 2015

natedawggh said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/97461/ ...I'm trying to provide accurate information for people who are in need of help.

narouz · Aug 30, 2015

nate or alebaba or anyone--

I've been toying with the idea of trying nate's protein powder ideas,
with the casein powder.
But...how do you guys feel about the amino profile?
This is from the Naked Casein product that alebaba just noted:

...the high glutamic acid, substantial leucine, and aspartic acid counts caught my eye.
I'm fuzzy, though, on what Peat thinks about the various aminos
(even leaving aside that he doesn't like protein powders, really).

answersfound · Aug 30, 2015

natedawggh said:
https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/97461/

answersfound said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95966/

alebaba said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95963/ mount of tryptophan as milk base on the nutrition label from Now.

Click to expand...

alebaba said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95963/

natedawggh said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/95792/

itsALLgood said:

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/92553/

natedawggh said:

2.) High Protein intake from low tryptophan sources (I use casein to make this easier. NOT milk.). Minimum 100 g a day but generally 150-200 g.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6217&hilit=alcohol

Click to expand...

Why not milk? Didn't see find anything in the link you posted.

Click to expand...

Dr. Peat, while a fan of milk, also states the caveat that it is not an appropriate food for adults due to the excess tryptophan. I've experienced this in practice as every time I have reduced bloating, fatigue, and migraines milk instantly makes them return. I can suppress these effects by taking high doses of lysine along with drinking milk, but I think it's just easier and healthier to cut out milk for the time being. The major points for having milk is for the protein and the calcium, and by taking casein and eggshell powder I am accomplishing the same thing. (Milk has some other nice properties such as an anti-cavity substance, but the tryptophan is just too much for me)

Click to expand...

your protein powder has the same amount of tryptophan as milk base on the nutrition label from Now.

Click to expand...

Dr. Peat said at one point he was drinking a gallon milk a day. It's funny how some things are completely exaggerated around here to the point of telling people to actually avoid milk. Stop worrying about the tryptophan lol. It's really not that big a deal.

Click to expand...

It's funny how you counter quote my peat quote with another peat quote. If you listen to him he says that milk may be troublesome for some people. I am a walking, breathing, living case of that. Drinking milk gives me migraines and bloating, but casein powder does not. I don't know how to more clearly say that, but then again I'm not trying to convince people like you, I'm trying to provide accurate information for people who are in need of help.

That's the thing you're not providing accurate info. Like telling people to take individual amino acids which Ray does NOT recommend. Also, telling people to avoid milk because of the tryptophan. Just because something is true for you doesnt mean it is for everyone. Your a walking living breathing case of this now, until you come along with a new post a couple months from now saying you have a new magic cure. What happened to telling everyone they need to progesterone?!?!? You change like the wind.

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