Westside PUFAs said:post 104557artist said:post 104490 Actually my question was why does it make me sick, so no that doesn't answer it.
Sorry, you’re right. I meant to say you have your solution; don’t eat it if it makes you feel such horrendous things.
no problem. I realize a lot of people here are struggling with those issues no matter what they do and I'm glad I feel reasonably ok when avoiding starch, although probably still not exactly top shape
Now, as to why does it make you feel that? I don’t know. It could be many different things. It’s hard to narrow it down.
Peat’s view on starch in the “optimal” Peat template sense would be little to no starch and if starch is consumed it should always be with butter or coconut oil. There is also a paradox with that though because Peat has also mentioned the fattening effect of too much butter so if one was to get daily calories from starch with added butter it would be too much fat calories overtime if one is not physically active, thus that leads you back to the Peat template of consuming little to no starch. The only starch Peat personally eats is the occasional nixtamalized corn and baby turnips when he’s in Mexico.
I agree about that paradox, to answer one of your questions I am 5'8" and 140 lbs so not overweight and I'd like to maintain or even lose about 5-10 lbs. Following a buttery potato type routine seems like it'd pack on the pounds for anyone
artist said:post 104490 and for another starch is the basis of human civilization and therefore shows up in pretty much every cuisine, avoiding it is inconvenient and makes social meals difficult.
Right. Which is why Peat wrote:
“There isn't anything wrong with a high carbohydrate diet, and even a high starch diet isn't necessarily incompatible with good health, but when better foods are available they should be used instead of starches.” - Ray Peat ("better foods" in that quote means fruit)
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/glycemia.shtml
which actually shows Peat’s brilliance because he is able to acknowledge this:
which also fits in line with this quote:
“For the present, the important thing is to avoid the use of the least appropriate food products, while choosing natural foods that have historical, epidemiological, and biochemical justification.” - Ray Peat
http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/trypt ... ging.shtml
Silly Paleo people will say “yea and we became fat and sick when we started farming and eating all of that.”
Yep. Because the disease epidemic in the US with heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes, and cancer is all because everyone is eating quality steamed starch with no PUFA oils added to them or cooked in first, not tons of cheese added to it, non-flour products that are always packed with deli meats and chemicals, carrageenan, sawdust and the same chemical used for yoga mats in Subway bread, yep that's exactly the one and only reason why everyone is sick.
totally agree with all this as well, the whole anti-starch paradigm never sat well with me. It seems ahistorical and even arrogant to me to dismiss the foundation of the modern humans diet. Like on a philosphical level ot bothers me. I would not be avoiding starch if it weren't clear how it affects me
The "even a high starch diet isn't necessarily incompatible with good health" Peat quote allows you to take your Peat template in your own direction. I agree with you with what you said about the cost factor. But even if I could afford lots of fruit, I would still eat starch. It's not just a money thing. But the quality ripe sweet fruit availability factor is a big issue. I need to get my carbs from somewhere. You'll see Brad and Jeremy will probably show the part in their interview with Peat where he says something about making the best choices you can given your economic status and geographical location.
Now, if you would like to know how you could eat starch without bad effects, I need more information. I know you are 26 and female but I would also need to know the following:
I went ahead and filled out this form
Your height: 5'8"
Approximate weight: 140lbs
List of all current supplements: liquid b complex, ndt, vitamin c sometimes, moderate caffeine daily
List of all current medications: none
Approximate location in the world: recently moved from LA to Alabama, previously lived in Portland Oregon most my life
Bowel movements:
General daily diet: cheese, yogurt, orange juice, carrot salad or other salad or vegetables, jams, fruits, strictly avoid pufa
General circadian rhythm times:I go to bed around midnight or 1 most days, in the past I definitely did too much late night computer
If you would rather have a female around your age help you with this, then it is only logical to look at females around your age who are thriving off of high starch diets. Even if your goal has nothing to do with weight loss, in the context of eating starch like your thread here states, here are some:
Hannah Janish aka "High Carb Hannah," she offers coaching and may be able to help you with starch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkhpdKq-vk
Her instagram showing what she eats:
https://instagram.com/highcarbhannah
A little older, Chef AJ showing it can be done with age:
https://www.facebook.com/chef.aj1/timel ... e_internal
Cathy Fisher's starch based blog:
http://www.straightupfood.com/blog/
I suppose I assumed these women have some kind of natural tolerance for starch that I don't, most people don't seem to have a broad sensitivity to the base of the food pyramid, although perhaps the people drawn to low carb in the first place may tend to have such a sensitivity. I will look around at more high carbers and former low carbers
Parsifal said:post 104497 Starch: Feed bacteria that produces endotoxin => Raise serotonin/oestrogen/histamines => Hibernation hormones, goitrogens and excitotoxicty promoters (as well virtually every stress hormones) = Low energy, suicidal thoughts, myxedema (from low thyroid), etc.
It’s not that simple. I can show you about 100 different people who thrive off of high starch that are obviously are not having endotoxin poisoning including myself. But someone like the OP here may have that issue.
Also:
"Thyroid hormone increases digestive activity, including stomach acid and peristalsis, and both thyroid and progesterone increase the ability of the intestine to absorb sugars quickly; their deficiency can permit bacteria to live on sugars as well as starches.” - Ray Peat
Out of 116 Peat quotes on the subject of endotoxin, only 2 mention starch:
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/1 ... endotoxin/
Endotoxin is not simply just from starch. It’s a bigger thyroid, metabolic and bowel function issue.
this is a good point as well, I think I get similar issues as starch when I drink lactose milk which I know I can't really handle
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