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its better than that for sure, but is it ideal? I think it can be...just the quality of peoples hearts has to go up. You see, theres a lot of mega corporations that operate as if they are the communist party or dictators, using the 'masses' as 'a market' and 'consumers' ...not realizing they are their neighbors and people, humans with emotions, and are part of the same community. That's why I say on paper capitalism is great but it only works if people are caring. The forefathers that made this system never anticipated, well actually they did, but it was created at a time where people were farmers and had moral values, it was a system created based on the population being that....moral. They did however leave plenty of warnings saying that the system could easily fall apart and be taken over, if people didn't constantly excersize their rights and keep check on each other, or if the population became immoral. Literally theres direct quotes about how it was made for a moral people. There would be no factory farms GMO's, chemical preservatives and waste products in food, pharma industry, massive pollution, all that, if people were moral. So yea, great system, with about 2/3 of people (being generous) as good still, but the others that have no morals wreck havoc upon the rest of us and theres not much that can be done currently other than spreading info and each individual voting with dollar, voting with their behavior and words
Im not complaining though, life here is...the options at least, although still an oppressive system, theres enough freedom and choices and options to where it is pretty magnificent, in the scheme of history. I just see how it could be way better even
Im not complaining though, life here is...the options at least, although still an oppressive system, theres enough freedom and choices and options to where it is pretty magnificent, in the scheme of history. I just see how it could be way better even
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Klaudia said:
*State capitalism
Sheik said:
Fundamentally, to perceive is to know. It is fallacious to have omniscience as a requirement for a philosophy, since if you had omniscience, there would be no point in having a philosophy.
narouz said:
A large portion of the investments of retirees is fixed income, the yields of which are greatly influenced by the state of interest rates, which is greatly influenced by the policies of the Federal Reserve, which is an institution greatly influenced by government. So, yes, government is the problem.
rdmayo21 said:
Okay.
But your idea--that non-tolerance of initiation of force--
is the only appropriate role of government...
So..government is the problem in your view.
But then it seems you see government as necessary,
to stop initiation of force.
That's it?
That is government's only appropriate role?
narouz said:rdmayo21 said:
Hmmm,
rdmayo21...
...it's shaping up a whole helluva lot like Libertarianism to me...
The anti-Federal Reserve is boilerplate too.
Hmmm,
Narouz...
...it appears everything I've said has gone in one ear and out the other. I said libertarianism has no philosophical fundamentals, especially a rational code of ethics. It appears we have come full circle. I guess we're done here.
rdmayo21 said:narouz said:rdmayo21 said:
Hmmm,
rdmayo21...
...it's shaping up a whole helluva lot like Libertarianism to me...
The anti-Federal Reserve is boilerplate too.
Hmmm,
Narouz...
...it appears everything I've said has gone in one ear and out the other. I said libertarianism has no philosophical fundamentals, especially a rational code of ethics. It appears we have come full circle. I guess we're done here.
Just as it was getting interesting....
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halken said:
Ooooh, very good lecture. Thanks for posting!
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Nathaniel Branden was an associate and romantic partner of Ayn Rand so I see where he comes from.
However, as is the problem with Objectivism, it is very ethnocentric, bigoted, and overall a bad system(it's optimal if you are a white heterosexual cismale). It's as if people just needed a belief system to justify their bad behaviour and Rayn Rand delivered like Moses from the mountain. Doesn't change the fact that I consider Objectivists to be almost inherently bad people at heart. If you need to justify your actions with pseudophilosophy then it is time to review your own life choices.
However, as is the problem with Objectivism, it is very ethnocentric, bigoted, and overall a bad system(it's optimal if you are a white heterosexual cismale). It's as if people just needed a belief system to justify their bad behaviour and Rayn Rand delivered like Moses from the mountain. Doesn't change the fact that I consider Objectivists to be almost inherently bad people at heart. If you need to justify your actions with pseudophilosophy then it is time to review your own life choices.
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Haha, awesome quote.
The CEO's of all the U.S. financial companies triggering the Great Recession...
I bet to a person they all had awesome self-esteem.
They esteemed themselves very very very much!
Their self-esteem had no limits.
It would've been much better for all the rest of us if their self-esteem
and their businesses had been more tightly regulated,
under penalty of initiation of force, by the government, to put their asses in jail.
Donald Trump has unbelievable self-esteem.
You're Fired!
I bet to a person they all had awesome self-esteem.
They esteemed themselves very very very much!
Their self-esteem had no limits.
It would've been much better for all the rest of us if their self-esteem
and their businesses had been more tightly regulated,
under penalty of initiation of force, by the government, to put their asses in jail.
Donald Trump has unbelievable self-esteem.
You're Fired!
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"Capitalism" is a term invented by Karl Marx to describe from his point of view the particular pattern of industrialization he witnessed in mid 19th century Britain. Outside of that specific context it's a rather useless term that should be avoided. In every human society ever anywhere people form agreements and pool resources (capital) to pursue greater returns and efficiency. Trying to affix an "-ism" to what amounts to inevitable, natural human behavior like that is goofy.
If you want to talk about "Anglo-American style corporate enterprises" then OK, that's specific enough there's something to grab hold of. But I have no idea what we're talking about when the term "capitalism" is bandied about. Right from the get-go we're playing into an explicitly communist frame.
If you want to talk about "Anglo-American style corporate enterprises" then OK, that's specific enough there's something to grab hold of. But I have no idea what we're talking about when the term "capitalism" is bandied about. Right from the get-go we're playing into an explicitly communist frame.
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