Humanism

juanitacarlos · Mar 28, 2014

This is a great introduction into humanism by Frank Furedi if anyone is interested. I think it is a 'philosophy' that most of us can relate to - being responsible for our destiny, not being dogmatic, searching for truth and being open to new ideas. I'll paraphrase one thing that Furedi said that really caught my attention: the problem we have as humans is that we are easily swayed by simplistic and dogmatic explanations that spare us the trouble of having to fix our own problems. I think that in health that could not be more true.

Blossom · Mar 28, 2014

What a wonderful link! Thanks for sharing, I've had this topic on my mind recently and I think it's because I am now healthy enough to notice the world around me. I for one would like to do my part to help spread some basic kindness and compassion. Great topic.

burtlancast · Mar 29, 2014

Humanism sounds wonderful, until one takes a closer look at it's ideologies.

Firstly, it promotes the concept of SITUATION ETHICS.

"Situation Ethics" teaches man what is moral is determined by the
individual and the situation in which the individual is involved. It is
expressed as follows: "What is good for me may be evil for you; what is right
to do at one moment may be wrong the next."

Joseph Fletcher, an Episcopalian theologian, wrote a book on
the subject of situation ethics which includes the following statement: "For
me, there are no rules, none at all. Anything and everything is right and
wrong according to the situation. What is wrong in some cases would be
right in others. And this candid approach is indeed a revolution in morals."

Secondly, here are some interesting planks of the first humanist manifesto, and their implications that few people realise;

-First: Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing
and not created.
-Second: Humanism believes that man is part of nature and
that he has emerged as a result of a continuous process.
-Sixth: We are convinced that the time has passed for theism (a
belief in a Creator.)
-Fourteenth: The humanists are firmly convinced that the
existing acquisitive and profit motivated society has shown itself to
be inadequate. A socialized and cooperative economic order must
be established to the end that the acquisitive distribution of the
means of life be possible.

Which means humanists are in line with Evolutionists, Atheists, and Communists.
Humanism is just another way of introducing communism, under a disguised name. It's full of good intentions and promises, just as communism is.

We know how that one turned out.

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Blossom · Mar 30, 2014

Wow! I had no idea about all of that.

narouz · Mar 30, 2014

from Wikipedia:

"Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism). The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated, according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it.[1] Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of a "human nature" (sometimes contrasted with antihumanism).
In modern times, humanist movements are typically aligned with secularism and with non-theistic religions.[2] Historically however, this was not always the case.

...

"Modern Humanists, such as Corliss Lamont or Carl Sagan, hold that humanity must seek for truth through reason and the best observable evidence and endorse scientific skepticism and the scientific method. However, they stipulate that decisions about right and wrong must be based on the individual and common good, with no consideration given to metaphysical or supernatural beings. The idea is to engage with what is human."[73]

Rings a tad harmonious with Peat's view of the world, wouldn't you say?

juanitacarlos · Mar 30, 2014

burtlancast said:
Humanism sounds wonderful, until one takes a closer look at it's ideologies.

Firstly, it promotes the concept of SITUATION ETHICS.

"Situation Ethics" teaches man what is moral is determined by the
individual and the situation in which the individual is involved. It is
expressed as follows: "What is good for me may be evil for you; what is right
to do at one moment may be wrong the next."

Joseph Fletcher, an Episcopalian theologian, wrote a book on
the subject of situation ethics which includes the following statement: "For
me, there are no rules, none at all. Anything and everything is right and
wrong according to the situation. What is wrong in some cases would be
right in others. And this candid approach is indeed a revolution in morals."

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burt - I might be missing something here. This is bad, how? Sounds like he is contextualising to assess each situation.

Blossom · Mar 30, 2014

narouz said:
from Wikipedia:

"Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism). The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated, according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it.[1] Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of a "human nature" (sometimes contrasted with antihumanism).
In modern times, humanist movements are typically aligned with secularism and with non-theistic religions.[2] Historically however, this was not always the case.

...

"Modern Humanists, such as Corliss Lamont or Carl Sagan, hold that humanity must seek for truth through reason and the best observable evidence and endorse scientific skepticism and the scientific method. However, they stipulate that decisions about right and wrong must be based on the individual and common good, with no consideration given to metaphysical or supernatural beings. The idea is to engage with what is human."[73]

Rings a tad harmonious with Peat's view of the world, wouldn't you say?

That sounds better.

narouz · Mar 30, 2014

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burtlancast said:
Which means humanists are in line with Evolutionists, Atheists, and Communists.

burtlancast said:
Humanism is just another way of introducing communism

juanitacarlos · Mar 31, 2014

burtlancast said:
-Fourteenth: The humanists are firmly convinced that the
existing acquisitive and profit motivated society has shown itself to
be inadequate. A socialized and cooperative economic order must
be established to the end that the acquisitive distribution of the
means of life be possible.

I'd have to agree with them. But that sounds more like socialism rather than communism.

BTW, pardon the pun, but what the hell is wrong with atheism?

burtlancast · Mar 31, 2014

narouz said:
from Wikipedia:

"Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism). The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated, according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it.[1] Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of a "human nature" (sometimes contrasted with antihumanism).
In modern times, humanist movements are typically aligned with secularism and with non-theistic religions.[2] Historically however, this was not always the case.

...

"Modern Humanists, such as Corliss Lamont or Carl Sagan, hold that humanity must seek for truth through reason and the best observable evidence and endorse scientific skepticism and the scientific method. However, they stipulate that decisions about right and wrong must be based on the individual and common good, with no consideration given to metaphysical or supernatural beings. The idea is to engage with what is human."[73]

Rings a tad harmonious with Peat's view of the world, wouldn't you say?

critical thinking - evidence - rationalism - doctrine - reason - scientific skepticism

The exact same words used VERBATIM by http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org, http://www.quackwatch.com/ and other disguised industry- attack dogs sites to persecute alternative practitioners like Ray while hushing any evidence that might expose the shameful corruption dominating mainstream medecine for the past 100 years.

I've said it in the past, and i will say it again; what the hell are you doing on this site, Narouz ?

burtlancast · Mar 31, 2014

ttramone said:
burt - I might be missing something here. This is bad, how? Sounds like he is contextualising to assess each situation.

For me, there are no rules, none at all.
Anything and everything is right and wrong according to the situation.

Have you never acted on your convictions once, only later to realise you were wrong ?

burtlancast · Mar 31, 2014

ttramone said:
I'd have to agree with them. But that sounds more like socialism rather than communism.

Do you see a difference ?

juanitacarlos · Mar 31, 2014

burtlancast said:
ttramone said:

burt - I might be missing something here. This is bad, how? Sounds like he is contextualising to assess each situation.

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For me, there are no rules, none at all.
Anything and everything is right and wrong according to the situation.

Click to expand...

Have you never acted on your convictions once, only later to realise you were wrong ?

Yes, many, many, many times. Because I'm a human being and that is pretty much what we do. Have you?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, could you clarify?

juanitacarlos · Mar 31, 2014

burtlancast said:
ttramone said:

I'd have to agree with them. But that sounds more like socialism rather than communism.

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Do you see a difference ?

Do I see the difference between socialism and communism? If that is your question, yes. That's what I said. Did you mean something else?

narouz · Mar 31, 2014

burtlancast said:
Which means humanists are in line with Evolutionists, Atheists, and Communists.

What about Nazis?
I hate those guys.

Blossom · Mar 31, 2014

I hate Nazi's too.

juanitacarlos · Apr 1, 2014

narouz said:
burtlancast said:

Which means humanists are in line with Evolutionists, Atheists, and Communists.

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What about Nazis?
I hate those guys.

What about hipsters? Please tell me humanists aren't hipsters...

CellularIconoclast · Apr 1, 2014

burtlancast said:
critical thinking - evidence - rationalism - doctrine - reason - scientific skepticism

The exact same words used VERBATIM by http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org, http://www.quackwatch.com/

I think these words are abused by those websites, but the concepts themselves are very important for making good health decisions.

Parts of both alternative and mainstream medicine are dangerous and/or ineffective; only a subset are effective and based on solid evidence and sound thinking. These are very hard for an individual to tell apart- really the only effective way I can see is to become an expert yourself, and form your own opinions.

Websites like Quackwatch are not aware of the existence of actual scientific alternative medicine, and they confuse authority endorsement with evidence. They are trying to suggest that instead of becoming an expert one can trust official advice from certain organizations. Unfortunately, in many cases these organizations are also failing to apply critical thinking.

narouz · Apr 1, 2014

ttramone said:
narouz said:

burtlancast said:

Which means humanists are in line with Evolutionists, Atheists, and Communists.

Click to expand...

What about Nazis?
I hate those guys.

Click to expand...

What about hipsters? Please tell me humanists aren't hipsters...

I don't know...

If burt notes "Evolutionist, Atheists, and Communists" and humanists
as the bad guys,
I'm trying to figure out who he thinks the good guys are.

The opposite of an evolutionist would be a creationist.
The opposite of an atheist would be religious believer.
The opposite of a Commie would be...
well, let's say, a Tea Partier of the religious variety.

So burt would seem to be championing a religious, creationist, Tea Partier.
Somebody like this:

[BBvideo 560,340:2wd428ss]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyD1kuZ31bo[/BBvideo]

Well, ttramone...if you're a hipster like Braun, you're good!

Such_Saturation · Apr 16, 2014

Humanism is simply the same old human centeredness that we have seen for the last few centuries and what has spurred our current scientistic disaster. It starts as a reaction to catholic dogmas and ends with what we see today:

HUMANS OVER EVERYTHING at the universal level

and

ME OVER EVERY OTHER HUMAN at the local level (see the "oh I'm so edgy" "reinterpretation" of morals)

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