Spokey
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I think the idea that consciousness in the sense of that which is experienced, as solely a product of the machinations of living systems and self aware brains is completely nuts. I have done for some time. I think people are confusing memory and the cognitive functions for 'being' when they say this. For this reason I will use the word 'being' instead of 'consciousness' to avoid confusion with cognitive things. (I am actually fascinated with cognitive processes, since I'd someday like to be good friends with R2D2 or something similar but anyway..)
If that's true, then 'being' is a property of all things in the world, living or dead, a property of energy and matter and space. And the existential annihilation which people think of as death, is a physical impossibility. The laws of conservation of mass, energy and information utterly forbid it. The idea of 'Being' is quite literally 'to be present'. When someone dies, they don't go anywhere, they're all still here, every bit of them. Ask a physicist. So why do we think that 'being' suddenly stops? It's actually not a terribly rational idea in the face of the laws of conservation.
So what does it mean?
I once saw a neuroscientist scoffing at the idea of peak experience because to his measurement (MRIs I think), the common state in all the people* who experienced it was greatly reduced brain activity. It was on TED, and he was delighted with his discovery. Unfortunately he had failed to realise, as I'm reasonably certain many long time zen practitioners would have been able to tell him, that this, is exactly the point.
So I think it all means, you can know what being 'is' in this life. We're just lucky as humans to have faculties that keep recording, so we can remember and tell our loved ones. And then get promptly accused of being bonkers and then burnt at the stake for being a witch or some such.
*Mostly meditators, mystics and drug users.
If that's true, then 'being' is a property of all things in the world, living or dead, a property of energy and matter and space. And the existential annihilation which people think of as death, is a physical impossibility. The laws of conservation of mass, energy and information utterly forbid it. The idea of 'Being' is quite literally 'to be present'. When someone dies, they don't go anywhere, they're all still here, every bit of them. Ask a physicist. So why do we think that 'being' suddenly stops? It's actually not a terribly rational idea in the face of the laws of conservation.
So what does it mean?
I once saw a neuroscientist scoffing at the idea of peak experience because to his measurement (MRIs I think), the common state in all the people* who experienced it was greatly reduced brain activity. It was on TED, and he was delighted with his discovery. Unfortunately he had failed to realise, as I'm reasonably certain many long time zen practitioners would have been able to tell him, that this, is exactly the point.
So I think it all means, you can know what being 'is' in this life. We're just lucky as humans to have faculties that keep recording, so we can remember and tell our loved ones. And then get promptly accused of being bonkers and then burnt at the stake for being a witch or some such.
*Mostly meditators, mystics and drug users.