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What are some reasons I could look into. It's not acute, and it does NOT come and go. It's from the time I wake up till the time I go to bed. The only thing that helps even a tiny bit is a large dose of Xanax, or something similar. I'm very weak and dizzy, and this is a chronic issue. Sugar, salt, etc, do nothing for this issue.
 

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What are some reasons I could look into. It's not acute, and it does NOT come and go. It's from the time I wake up till the time I go to bed. The only thing that helps even a tiny bit is a large dose of Xanax, or something similar. I'm very weak and dizzy, and this is a chronic issue. Sugar, salt, etc, do nothing for this issue.
Since xanax and similar medications are typically used for stress and anxiety and you feel sugar, salt etc. does nothing for your issue maybe adding in some type of relaxation technique into your lifestyle might help. Xanax and similar medicines can also cause or worsen constipation which you mentioned in a previous thread. About 6 years ago I weaned myself gradually off multiple meds one of which was similar to xanax. I have to say it was not an easy process and took years to really return to feeling like I did prior to taking the medications. I felt like the medicines changed my system for quite a while even after discontinuing them. You may want to check the side effects of any medicines you've been taking to see if they may be contributing to your dizziness. It seems like you are having a rough time and have a complicated health history! If you could post your diet, supplements and medicines you take regularly maybe someone on the forum might have some helpful suggestions.
 
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What are some reasons I could look into. It's not acute, and it does NOT come and go. It's from the time I wake up till the time I go to bed. The only thing that helps even a tiny bit is a large dose of Xanax, or something similar. I'm very weak and dizzy, and this is a chronic issue. Sugar, salt, etc, do nothing for this issue.
Since xanax and similar medications are typically used for stress and anxiety and you feel sugar, salt etc. does nothing for your issue maybe adding in some type of relaxation technique into your lifestyle might help. Xanax and similar medicines can also cause or worsen constipation which you mentioned in a previous thread. About 6 years ago I weaned myself gradually off multiple meds one of which was similar to xanax. I have to say it was not an easy process and took years to really return to feeling like I did prior to taking the medications. I felt like the medicines changed my system for quite a while even after discontinuing them. You may want to check the side effects of any medicines you've been taking to see if they may be contributing to your dizziness. It seems like you are having a rough time and have a complicated health history! If you could post your diet, supplements and medicines you take regularly maybe someone on the forum might have some helpful suggestions.

Thanks for the reply. I'll add that I rarely ever take Xanax. Maybe 1-2x per month, or if I have to go out in public. I basically live my life in bed right now.

My diet is quite limited. Basically meat, OJ, Milk, ice cream with my coffee, sugar, salt, baking soda, cheese, coke. No starch, no junk. I do not take any supplements regularly, except small doses of T3 (2-4 mcg at a time). My temps are constantly in the 96-97 range, frozen feet, severe fatigue, stiff neck, etc. I take aspirin when my pain gets unbarabe, and also have started Minocycline this week. I was taking Cascara for bit before it became virtually ineffective. I've tried 8773 other supplements, but do not currently take them.
 

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Thanks for the information. I know you must feel like you are in a deep dark hole right now and I'm truly sorry to hear you are suffering so much! With your temps in that range I wonder if you might benefit from increasing your thyroid dose? I know forum member wilfid has mentioned having Crohns disease also so it might be possible that he would have some helpful information. Call me naive but I do think it is all just how 'energy fails' and the signs and symptoms can be different from one individual to the next. I'm glad to hear you don't need xanax often because I think it's possible that some sedative type drugs can lower the metabolism. I do think there is hope and it sounds like you are really trying to get to the root of the problem. When I was really depleted last year the red light seemed to make a huge difference. If you are basically confined to bed most of the day maybe you could use some incandescent bulbs while your resting. I'm excited to hear what others have to suggest!
 

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If this isn't working for you why you keep doing it? Try adding more protein, fiber and yogurt.
 
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If this isn't working for you why you keep doing it? Try adding more protein, fiber and yogurt.

If what isn't working? Peating? Because, Paleo, and GAPS, and SAD isn't a better option!! Do you have any better suggestions; obviously it's why I am here. Fiber does me in, and I am trying my hardest to hit 100g protein each day.
 

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I admit I don't know a lot about this stuff, but with temps in 96/97 range, the thyroid isn't working. It's supposed to get your temps up and metabolism up, and those other issues are supposed to heal when your metabolism raises. For some reason, you are still hypothyroid, so if it were me, I would be adjusting that thyroid dose.
 
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I definitely feel I am too. Just so afraid to up my dose of thyroid. The many daily doses of 1-4 mcg just isn't giving me any effect.
 

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Didn't say to do gaps or paleo or SAD, anxiety may very well be a gut bacteria issue and if you continue your peat diet or whatever you are doing you'll get the same results, it's useless, what do you want to hear here? To up your salt intake? Up sugar? Up thyroid? Up pregnenolone? You don't have to up anything, seek professional help(even though you may believe it's useless).
 

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ILoveSugar,

Have you ever gotten your iron levels measured? You say part of your diet is "meat," but meat is NOT Peat friendly at all, and especially since you don't seem to eat whole fruit or potatoes, you probably have an incredible excess of Iron. If you also have a job working at a computer and are exposed to WiFi and other electromagnetic fields, Iron could definitely be the cause of all your problems. Specifically it can interfere with thyroid and is the only explanation i've seen to suggest why thyroid supplementation doesn't work. You should not be eating muscle meat at all unless it's very rarely and/or with a significant source of gelatin. I only have meat once a week, and my diet consists mainly around fruits and milk with gelatin added every time. Excess Iron could be interfering with your digestion, and excess Iron can contribute to bacterial overgrowth and the absorption of endotoxin.

I'd get a panel done to test for Iron overload, but also apparently taking green tea extract (EGCG) can rid the body of excess Iron, which would allow more copper and other beneficial nutrients to be absorbed from the diet, and let thyroid work.
 
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PeaterPan said:
Didn't say to do gaps or paleo or SAD, anxiety may very well be a gut bacteria issue and if you continue your peat diet or whatever you are doing you'll get the same results, it's useless, what do you want to hear here? To up your salt intake? Up sugar? Up thyroid? Up pregnenolone? You don't have to up anything, seek professional help(even though you may believe it's useless).

Professional help? Which is? The last 6 GI doctors, 3 MD's, 2 RA's, 1 neurologist, 2 ENT's, 103 ER doctors, 2 Heart and Vascular docs, 2 functional doctors, have been of absolutely NO help thus far. Trust me, I have had over 1000 appointments with conventional docs with no success. None at all.
 
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ILoveSugar,

Have you ever gotten your iron levels measured? You say part of your diet is "meat," but meat is NOT Peat friendly at all, and especially since you don't seem to eat whole fruit or potatoes, you probably have an incredible excess of Iron. If you also have a job working at a computer and are exposed to WiFi and other electromagnetic fields, Iron could definitely be the cause of all your problems. Specifically it can interfere with thyroid and is the only explanation i've seen to suggest why thyroid supplementation doesn't work. You should not be eating muscle meat at all unless it's very rarely and/or with a significant source of gelatin. I only have meat once a week, and my diet consists mainly around fruits and milk with gelatin added every time. Excess Iron could be interfering with your digestion, and excess Iron can contribute to bacterial overgrowth and the absorption of endotoxin.

I'd get a panel done to test for Iron overload, but also apparently taking green tea extract (EGCG) can rid the body of excess Iron, which would allow more copper and other beneficial nutrients to be absorbed from the diet, and let thyroid work.

I do eat roughly 3-5 ounces per day of muscle meat. I haven't had it checked in about 1-2 years, but my last serum iron lab was: 126. (Normal ranges are 40-155).
 

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Specifically it can interfere with thyroid and is the only explanation i've seen to suggest why thyroid supplementation doesn't work.

Interesting. Do you have a specific source for that?
 

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natedawggh said:
Specifically it can interfere with thyroid and is the only explanation i've seen to suggest why thyroid supplementation doesn't work.

Interesting. Do you have a specific source for that?
My understanding was that in addition to T3, in order for the mitochondria in cells to produce energy efficiently, cells also need amongst other things, adequate supply of sugar for fuel, vit.A, copper and red light for cytochrome oxidase, oxygen (dependent on CO2 levels) and not too much PUFA or other toxins that poison the mitochondria. If thyroid is supplemented in the absence of other requirements, it cannot result in adequate energy production, and in some cases may cause additional stresses.
iLoveSugar is having trouble getting nourished because he is having trouble digesting anything because his GI tract is badly out of shape.
I don't know how to get out of this bind, other than to keep trying to find food that will digest. Vitamins can be supplemented transdermally. Sunlight is not dependent on digestion. Maybe find a way to supplement CO2.
iLoveSugar, I don't know where you are, but if you've been bed-bound a lot, is there a way for you to rest outside to get more sunlight a least some part of the days?
Did you try Wilfrid's suggestion on food for a couple of days? It seems quite different to other Peaty things you have tried, so maybe it's worth a go?
What is your blood pressure like?
 
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I live in Pennsylvania, and do get outside and get as much sun as possible. Within the next 30 to 60 days, we are moving to Colorado. Hoping that the altitude and sun help, but at this point, not counting on it.
 

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iLoveSugar said:
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ILoveSugar,

I do eat roughly 3-5 ounces per day of muscle meat. I haven't had it checked in about 1-2 years, but my last serum iron lab was: 126. (Normal ranges are 40-155).
Eating that much meat constantly it is definitely working against you, it is an inappropriate balance of amino acids, as well refrigerated meat can cary large amounts of spoilage even when it's only a few days old (there's a new article by Peat on his site exactly talking about this).

126 might be within "normal" range for the medical profession, but it is definitely not low. A lot of pathogenic bacteria actually rob Iron from your tissues, and their growth is made easier by higher levels. Excess iron also impairs mitochondria and immunity, and if that was your level two years ago and you've been exposed to more iron in that time, I'd bet money that your level is much higher now. EGCG is supposed to be a great iron chelator. I've seen studies where it immediately interrupts bacterial diseases and sepsis. You should give it a try and cut out the meat to at most once a week.
 

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tara said:
jyb said:
natedawggh said:
Specifically it can interfere with thyroid and is the only explanation i've seen to suggest why thyroid supplementation doesn't work.

Interesting. Do you have a specific source for that?
My understanding was that in addition to T3, in order for the mitochondria in cells to produce energy efficiently, cells also need amongst other things, adequate supply of sugar for fuel, vit.A, copper and red light for cytochrome oxidase, oxygen (dependent on CO2 levels) and not too much PUFA or other toxins that poison the mitochondria. If thyroid is supplemented in the absence of other requirements, it cannot result in adequate energy production, and in some cases may cause additional stresses...

....sorry I meant—only explanation when all other nutritional and medical needs are being met in the diet and thyroid still isn't working. Iron impairment is mentioned many times in Peat's articles.
 

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I'm sorry for what is happening to you, it happened to me for one day and it was terrible, i had to go to the hospital and call an ambulance at 3:00 AM while having nothing, only extreme anxiety.

Some xanax calmed me down, the next days i decreased my sugar and caffeine intake and it worked, now i'm resuming it in a more controlled way, i had nothing before Ray Peating, so i don't know your situation, but the sudden change by totally changing diets do stress your metabolism a lot, seems like yours can't find his homeostasis, i don't know what to say to you and seems like no one else can, have you tried fasting?

With fasting you don't add anything to your body and you let it regulate itself on it's own.
I don't want to suggest anything stupid, just consider it, hope you get better.
 

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Have you got your B12 level checked?
I don't know if it may be the case for you but I regularly have mail exchanges with , at least, 30~40 people who are suffering from IBD on a french forum.
And I can guaranty you that myself included , despite being symptoms free since 2011, none have a B12 level within the normal range.
Even the slightest irritation in the stomach will be enough to mess up with B12 synthesis by interfering with production of the intrinsic factor.
And with your long term generalized GI inflammation, I would say that this option, if not explored already by the cargo of specialists you've seen, is worth considering.
Dizziness and constipation are also common symptoms of this deficiency. As well as mood disorders.
FWIW, the oral route by taking supplemental B12 is useless as well as the sublingual one. The only option here is the B12 ( hydroxocobalamin) injection followed by a long term daily transdermal (or intranasal) combination of hydroxo- and methylcobalamin. And you will probably have to do so untill the rest of your life.

Even if you are very tired, try to expose your legs naked (up to your thigh) only , idealy during the morning and as long as you can, to the direct (AM) sunlight but avoid as much as possible the total exposure.
Keep your upper body in a shadow zone while exposing your legs.

Once again, I'm not a specialist on ayurvedic medical care ( some on the forum seems to be, Mittir comes to mind) but I strongly encourage you to make small meal of very well cooked white rice ( parboiled uncle ben's or Tilda brand), ghee, shrimps, home made fresh cheese ( idealy from organic sheep milk ), rock salt, clarified apple juice, apricot nectar, peach nectar, slightly salted pure coconut water ( brand from thailand are best), clear carbonated beverage, like sprite, mixed with aloe vera juice before meals, very well cooked apple with a dash of white cane sugar and cinnamon ect....and even, but some here are probably going to hate me even more, white organic wheat pasta or white fine semolina with ghee. And try to give OJ, milk and coffee a rest.
I think that, in case of inflammation, loading on protein will be counterproductive in the short or medium term..but loading on easily digest and non-irritating carbs source would be better (thyroid wise). I'm not saying no proteins at all but just 2-3oz max each time you take a meal ( ideally 5-6 small meals a day).
You can try Tara's suggestion as to get some important lipo-soluble vitamins like A and K through transdermal application.
RP think that vitamin K is very important in any gut inflammation. Try to put up to 5~6 caps daily of the life extension product on your inner thigh (3 caps on each thigh) before going to bed, you can use extra olive oil ( as the LEF product contains some) to enhance transdermal absorption.
 

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iLoveSugar said:
PeaterPan said:
Didn't say to do gaps or paleo or SAD, anxiety may very well be a gut bacteria issue and if you continue your peat diet or whatever you are doing you'll get the same results, it's useless, what do you want to hear here? To up your salt intake? Up sugar? Up thyroid? Up pregnenolone? You don't have to up anything, seek professional help(even though you may believe it's useless).

Professional help? Which is? The last 6 GI doctors, 3 MD's, 2 RA's, 1 neurologist, 2 ENT's, 103 ER doctors, 2 Heart and Vascular docs, 2 functional doctors, have been of absolutely NO help thus far. Trust me, I have had over 1000 appointments with conventional docs with no success. None at all.

You obviously won't find help on this forum either as it's full of threads of people getting fat and getting panic attacks, i would start getting superskeptical and start resarching on your own and keep going to different professionals as if you're lucky you'll find one able to help you.
 

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