Red Light Making A Big Difference

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

Now here's an interesting comparative chart from the Heelspurs site
which I must've missed before
or maybe it's new.
As you see,
it compares the radiation of sunlight, halogen, incandescent, and heat lamps (also a form of incandescent).

Which light source would seem to put out the most radiation
in the Peat-preferred 600-850nm spectrum?

Rachel · Jan 21, 2013

narouz said:
...Which light source would seem to put out the most radiation
in the Peat-preferred 600-850nm spectrum?
]

Oh, oh, oh!

Is this a pop quiz?
Ummmmm, halogen?

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

Rachel said:
narouz said:

...Which light source would seem to put out the most radiation
in the Peat-preferred 600-850nm spectrum?
]

Click to expand...

Oh, oh, oh!

Is this a pop quiz?
Ummmmm, halogen?

Ding Ding Ding!!!
Yes, Rachel.
That is the conclusion I came to.
But...notice that there is quite a lot of radiation in the unhealthy blue, green and maybe even ultraviolet ranges.
So, to me, to use halogen safely,
it needs to be filtered with a red piece of glass.

But then the regular incandescents are next--better than the heatlamp incandescents
recommended--for reasons not quite clear--by Dr. Peat.
And they require no filtering.

(One weird thing I think I may be discovering is
that most high-powered regular incandescents often are labeled also as heat lamps.
Go online and look at, like, 250 watt incandescents.
I was looking at the ones with built-in reflectors--"flood lights."
Seemed like just about all of the ones I was finding were also noted as "heat lamp" or "infrared.")

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

I kinda referred to this a few posts back,
but, maybe if Dr. Peat is thinking backwards
about running the 130V heatlamp bulb and 120V--
that is, Peat seems to think that would shift more of the heatlamp's radiation
back into the desirable 600--850nm range;
but, actually, if I'm right, that would do the opposite;
it would shift the output further right into the infrared.
Running at 120V would result in a cooler filament,
which would do that.

Now look at the chart:

Looking at the Heatlamp line,
you can see how that wouldn't help with getting more energy into the 600--850nm range.

But what if you took a 120V heatlamp bulb and ran it at 130V?
That would probably push the peak output back more into the desired range.
I wonder if this is what Peat has in mind...?

(But even if it worked out like that,
if you look at the chart
I still don't see how that would beat the regular incandescents.)

gabriel79 · Jan 21, 2013

Hi Narouz!
Yes, both info you posted confirm what I said earlier

(although I studied black body spectrum radiation like 15 years ago during my engineering course, I still remember the basics)
On the best bulb I said at the beginning of this discussion that normal incandescent should be best, with halogens close. Why Peat suggests heat lamps and then say that red/orange wavelengths are the better? Maybe cos he's a human an can make a,mistake every once in a while? On the other hand, maybe Peat has experienced some benefit from heat lamps over normal ones that he can't explain (I don't think this is a much studied subject in biology)

gabriel79 · Jan 21, 2013

But what if you took a 120V heatlamp bulb and ran it at 130V?
That would probably push the peak output back more into the desired range.
I wonder if this is what Peat has in mind...?

Yes, but bear in mind you're compromising the filament's life. Now, do you have a 120:130 transformer? (you can build it manually, not a great deal but I wouldn't do the effort)

asajulian · Jan 21, 2013

This thread suuuure did get technical and I appreciate all the input. Whatever those lights are doing, they are still drastically improving all my symptoms.

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

Yes, I realize this stuff is likely tedious to most.
The reasons I'm so all about it is:
1. I don't want to endure sitting under multiple baking heatlamps,
especially in the summertime, unless it really is substantially better for health.
2. I don't want to pay for the AC to cool the place down during the summer,
again unless significantly important for health.

j. · Jan 21, 2013

narouz said:
Yes, I realize this stuff is likely tedious to most.
The reasons I'm so all about it is:
1. I don't want to endure sitting under multiple baking heatlamps,
especially in the summertime, unless it really is best for health.
2. I don't want to pay for the AC to cool the place down during the summer,
again unless best for health.

Interesting, I thought it was beneficial mainly for the winter. I wonder too how much added benefit you get if you use it in the summer.

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

Well j.,
unless you spend substantial time outside during the summer
with a lot of your clothes off,
then--according to Peat--you're gonna Need red light supplementation,
don't you think?

j. · Jan 21, 2013

narouz said:
Well j.,
unless you spend substantial time outside during the summer
with a lot of your clothes off,
then--according to Peat--you're gonna Need red light supplementation,
don't you think?

I see. I guess having the light is good even if you spend time frolicking naked in the sun, because there might be days you stay inside.

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

j. said:
narouz said:

Well j.,
unless you spend substantial time outside during the summer
with a lot of your clothes off,
then--according to Peat--you're gonna Need red light supplementation,
don't you think?

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I see. I guess having the light is good even if you spend time frolicking naked in the sun, because there might be days you stay inside.

Yeh. I wish I could live the kind of lifestyle where,
during the warm months
I would be like walking on the beach and swimming, etc,
all scantily clad and soaking up the rays, but...
I just don't think that's gonna happen.

Also, if you check out the Sun's radiation spectrum in the chart above in the thread,
there are a LOT of ultraviolet, blue, and green wavelengths in there.
And some interpret Peat as saying
you really don't want to be out, unprotected, in the sun that much--
too much destructive radiation.

This is perhaps another facet of the Peatian lifestyle
as I read it
that is Not necessarily...what?..."Instinctual," or "Natural."
Like the NON-Instinctual Peat diet argument I've been making over in another thread.
It is very romantic and primitive and instinctual and natural and all that
to picture a lifestyle in which one is walking half-naked along scenic beaches or mountain paths,
but...
...it would seem truer to Peat, to me, to picture oneself indoors in the summer
with the incandescent lights cranked!

j. · Jan 21, 2013

narouz said:
This is perhaps another facet of the Peatian lifestyle
as I read it
that is Not necessarily...what?..."Instinctual," or "Natural."
Like the NON-Instinctual Peat diet argument I've been making over in another thread.
It is very romantic and primitive and instinctual and natural and all that
to picture a lifestyle in which one is walking half-naked along scenic beaches or mountain paths,
but...
...it would seem truer to Peat, to me, to picture oneself indoors in the summer
with the incandescent lights cranked!

If we spent our lifetimes in the sun, we would tan, which is a protection against U.V. If there were easily available fruit, we would instinctively stay in the shadow after getting enough exposure. I am reading "The vitamin D solution" by Michael Holick. He mentions that in an experiment, they had 2 lizards, and they gave vitamin D to only one of them. They put the two lizards in the shadow, and the lizard with vitamin D stayed there. The lizard who didn't get vitamin D moved out to the sun. So it doesn't seem inconceivable that humans would do something like that, if they had constant access to sun and shadow and could choose where to be.

charlie · Jan 21, 2013

narouz said:
Well j.,
unless you spend substantial time outside during the summer
with a lot of your clothes off,
then--according to Peat--you're gonna Need red light supplementation,
don't you think?

Narouz, they got 300 watt incandescent "utility lights" at Lowes. I put them in the chicken brooder light holder, and it worked fine.

Just thought I would throw that in there.

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

Charlie said:
narouz said:

Well j.,
unless you spend substantial time outside during the summer
with a lot of your clothes off,
then--according to Peat--you're gonna Need red light supplementation,
don't you think?

Click to expand...

Narouz, they got 300 watt incandescent "utility lights" at Lowes. I put them in the chicken brooder light holder, and it worked fine.

Just thought I would throw that in there.

Alright!
How much were they?
How hot are they?
Thanks, Charlie.

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

j. said:
narouz said:

This is perhaps another facet of the Peatian lifestyle
as I read it
that is Not necessarily...what?..."Instinctual," or "Natural."
Like the NON-Instinctual Peat diet argument I've been making over in another thread.
It is very romantic and primitive and instinctual and natural and all that
to picture a lifestyle in which one is walking half-naked along scenic beaches or mountain paths,
but...
...it would seem truer to Peat, to me, to picture oneself indoors in the summer
with the incandescent lights cranked!

Click to expand...

If we spent our lifetimes in the sun, we would tan, which is a protection against U.V. If there were easily available fruit, we would instinctively stay in the shadow after getting enough exposure. I am reading "The vitamin D solution" by Michael Holick. He mentions that in an experiment, they had 2 lizards, and they gave vitamin D to only one of them. They put the two lizards in the shadow, and the lizard with vitamin D stayed there. The lizard who didn't get vitamin D moved out to the sun. So it doesn't seem inconceivable that humans would do something like that, if they had constant access to sun and shadow and could choose where to be.

j.,
Tomorrow and every week thereafter for two months
I will send you an envelope.
It will contain a small vial filled with a few drops of liquid.
Put it on your skin.
Keep a record of which weeks you feel a craving to go out in the sun.

charlie · Jan 21, 2013

narouz said:
Alright!
How much were they?
How hot are they?
Thanks, Charlie.

IIRC, they were around $3.50 a piece. They were super bright, 300 watts worth bright. :lol:

And definitely not the heat you would get from a heat lamp.

I think it was this one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WH ... B000WHEZ8O

narouz · Jan 21, 2013

Charlie said:
narouz said:

Alright!
How much were they?
How hot are they?
Thanks, Charlie.

Click to expand...

IIRC, they were around $3.50 a piece. They were super bright, 300 watts worth bright. And definitely not the heat you would get from a heat lamp.

I think it was this one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WH ... B000WHEZ8O

That's the ticket!
I was only looking at the bulbs with internal reflectors.
So looks like the bulbs are about $4 each
and those metal socket/reflectors about $4
so...affordable.
Thanks!

FunkOdyssey · Apr 23, 2013

gabriel79 said:
On the best bulb I said at the beginning of this discussion that normal incandescent should be best, with halogens close. Why Peat suggests heat lamps and then say that red/orange wavelengths are the better? Maybe cos he's a human an can make a,mistake every once in a while?

I have a feeling this is the case.

Mittir · Apr 23, 2013

FunkOdyssey said:
gabriel79 said:

On the best bulb I said at the beginning of this discussion that normal incandescent should be best, with halogens close. Why Peat suggests heat lamps and then say that red/orange wavelengths are the better? Maybe cos he's a human an can make a,mistake every once in a while?

Click to expand...

I have a feeling this is the case.

This is not the case. Heat lamps RP suggests are made of incandescent bulb. A heat lamp has both heat and red-orange wavelength. But heat part is not essential unless that person lives in a cold environment or needs extra heat. In that case mild heat from incandescent bulb is sufficient.

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