1-year On Ray Peat/Pro-metabolic Diet With Some Bad Results

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[Djukami]

I think that you need some anti serotonin drug, you sound like learned helplessness.

Yep... It sucks. My environment doesn't help me either because they warn me about the consequences about taking X and Y, but don't really help me to try something completely different. They only point the negative side effects. "Take this instead" which is something that doesn't work at all, usually. It only builds more fear inside me. Also, hearing the argument it's all in your head, you should see a psychiatrist, makes me even more learned helplessness. Imagine saying "I need anti serotonin drug" to a physician. He would just laugh at me. If I continue like this and if I do not change anything seriously, I will end up homeless or in a psychiatric hospital, basically. Sad, but truth.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Stop all the supplements. Peat recommends real food. Maybe salt and vitamin E.

Liver or oysters and other real food.

 

[Wagner83]

Stop all the supplements. Peat recommends real food. Maybe salt and vitamin E.

Liver or oysters and other real food.

Did you stop supplementing with steroids and pro hormones? I know with some of them diet becomes secondary, without I need to pay extra attention and even then I hav enot figured out what is ideal/least damaging yet.

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

Yep... It sucks. My environment doesn't help me either because they warn me about the consequences about taking X and Y, but don't really help me to try something completely different. They only point the negative side effects. "Take this instead" which is something that doesn't work at all, usually. It only builds more fear inside me. Also, hearing the argument it's all in your head, you should see a psychiatrist, makes me even more learned helplessness. Imagine saying "I need anti serotonin drug" to a physician. He would just laugh at me. If I continue like this and if I do not change anything seriously, I will end up homeless or in a psychiatric hospital, basically. Sad, but truth.

If your current path is as bad as it sounds, then why not just trust your doctors for now? Their advice is unlikely to lead to a worse outcome than "homelessness or in a psychiatric hospital."

 

[ecstatichamster]

Did you stop supplementing with steroids and pro hormones? I know with some of them diet becomes secondary, without I need to pay extra attention and even then I hav enot figured out what is ideal/least damaging yet.

almost. I am down to a little DHEA and pregnenolone with coconut oil and vitamin E.

Not sure I need that either.

 

[Djukami]

If your current path is as bad as it sounds, then why not just trust your doctors for now? Their advice is unlikely to lead to a worse outcome than "homelessness or in a psychiatric hospital."

I think my path was always not that good if I want to be honest...
I have been 10 years on SSRIs in the past, tried to be on a mental hospital for one month straight to have daily routine habits and to have daily consultations (this didn't happened at all, though. Felt so weird how your own doctor seemed to not recognize you. "You're crazy" that's the only thing they see in your face).
Then, I went to an alternative medicine which talked about foods a removed a lot of them. You know, the classic milk, sugar, gluten were the most important. And to eat salmon, mackerel etc.
Felt really nice until I start feeling worse (and with a very sour mood). I lost a lot of weight because I didn't know how to eat properly. And, I only understood why I felt nice later: basically she gave me supplements that made me feel "nice". The moment I finished them, that's when I started to feel worse. But I couldn't understand back then...

Now, I am being followed by another alternative physician. I am trying chelation and also ozonotherapy (they cost a ton!). I've done a couple of sessions, but I know that my next consultation will be to schedule more sessions probably. She doesn't really understand what's happening. She is just prescribing me supplements here and there to no avail... I feel really learned helplessness when she said to me to "Just be happy!" or when she says to me "It's all in your head."

The thing is, if I had met her on the years I was taking SSRIs, my trust to her would be completely different. You know, in the past, I would see doctors as gods. I used to trust them, you don't even know how much. One psychiatrist was prescribing me more than RDA of certain medications and I would leave the room with a happy smile like "Now I will be better!". My mum would just cry to see that I was increasing even more the dose... No wonder I was sleeping 16 hours per day.
These successive events kinda built this agony and frustration inside me and lead me to understand that I have to do things on my own. Like most people here do. I know if I totally restrict my diet, I reduce 90% of my symptoms. However, I have to eat otherwise I will lose weight and will be malnourished. If I tell this to her, she just laughs to my "craziness".

I could never commit to something different because, the first try didn't go well, unfortunately. Also, I am honest with myself. "I know that I know nothing". I will not be jumping trying to take X hormone or supplement blindly, because, c'mon, I don't really know what I will be doing. This state kinda doesn't let me progress. Seriously, I don't know how do you guys read about health & nutrition so fast. I have been learning, but I still don't know anything.
Again, that's why I am still being followed (even though she can't answer some of my questions about health & nutrition... Which worries me).

Joseph Cohen from Selfhacked really gave me hope, because I am just like him. Read his story and you will understand.

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

I think my path was always not that good if I want to be honest...
I have been 10 years on SSRIs in the past, tried to be on a mental hospital for one month straight to have daily routine habits and to have daily consultations (this didn't happened at all, though. Felt so weird how your own doctor seemed to not recognize you. "You're crazy" that's the only thing they see in your face).

Yeah, it's another way of saying, "I don't know what's wrong with you but it's scary and I hope it doesn't happen to me or any of my loved ones."

Then, I went to an alternative medicine which talked about foods a removed a lot of them. You know, the classic milk, sugar, gluten were the most important. And to eat salmon, mackerel etc.
Felt really nice until I start feeling worse (and with a very sour mood). I lost a lot of weight because I didn't know how to eat properly. And, I only understood why I felt nice later: basically she gave me supplements that made me feel "nice". The moment I finished them, that's when I started to feel worse. But I couldn't understand back then...

Now, I am being followed by another alternative physician. I am trying chelation and also ozonotherapy (they cost a ton!). I've done a couple of sessions, but I know that my next consultation will be to schedule more sessions probably. She doesn't really understand what's happening. She is just prescribing me supplements here and there to no avail... I feel really learned helplessness when she said to me to "Just be happy!" or when she says to me "It's all in your head."

The thing is, if I had met her on the years I was taking SSRIs, my trust to her would be completely different. You know, in the past, I would see doctors as gods. I used to trust them, you don't even know how much. One psychiatrist was prescribing me more than RDA of certain medications and I would leave the room with a happy smile like "Now I will be better!". My mum would just cry to see that I was increasing even more the dose... No wonder I was sleeping 16 hours per day.
These successive events kinda built this agony and frustration inside me and lead me to understand that I have to do things on my own. Like most people here do. I know if I totally restrict my diet, I reduce 90% of my symptoms. However, I have to eat otherwise I will lose weight and will be malnourished. If I tell this to her, she just laughs to my "craziness".

Yes! It's funny how we let others convince us that something as necessary as sleep could somehow be harming us. Often they're actually the crazy ones running on stress and prescribing such behavior to others but, tragically, no one can tell.

I could never commit to something different because, the first try didn't go well, unfortunately. Also, I am honest with myself. "I know that I know nothing". I will not be jumping trying to take X hormone or supplement blindly, because, c'mon, I don't really know what I will be doing. This state kinda doesn't let me progress. Seriously, I don't know how do you guys read about health & nutrition so fast. I have been learning, but I still don't know anything.
Again, that's why I am still being followed (even though she can't answer some of my questions about health & nutrition... Which worries me).

Joseph Cohen from Selfhacked really gave me hope, because I am just like him. Read his story and you will understand.

There's very little that's actually known about health and nutrition and we're all guessing to a great extent. Even the most knowledgeable people here will admit that. I'll check out this Cohen guy, thanks.

 

[Wagner83]

almost. I am down to a little DHEA and pregnenolone with coconut oil and vitamin E.

Not sure I need that either.

Did you find that liver and oysters made a dramatic difference? If not what allowed you to taper off androsterone, vitamin K and the like? So far I have added a bit more fat from butter instead of coconut oil and digestion has improved as well as mood, I added some goat milk which seems to be fine, shrimps before bed are good too.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Did you find that liver and oysters made a dramatic difference? If not what allowed you to taper off androsterone, vitamin K and the like? So far I have added a bit more fat from butter instead of coconut oil and digestion has improved as well as mood, I added some goat milk which seems to be fine, shrimps before bed are good too.

I still take vitamin K2, and I am taking a little bit of DHEA and pregnenolone 5 mg each in coconut oil on my skin. I don't feel any different with liver or oysters but I still eat them once a week or so.

 

[nikolabeacon]

@nikolabeacon great comment. I like practical view of things, I dont have alot of knowledge about biochemistry so I am jus trying what can help me and thats reason why I am learning from Haidut. I think that he is more practical than Tyw or Gbolduev. Just my opinion. I am peating about 1 year, I improved my energy levels, sexual life, teeth but gained alot of belly fat and I found that I have digestive issues. About hormones, I am feeling great when I am taking pregnenolone, DHEA and androsterone and I know that you have true about that If I really want improve my metabolism, I must target root of my issues but I think that when I am hypothyroid, I have more problems because body is like circle. How you want find every issue? I know that when I was trying improve 1 thing, I found that I have next issue. The only thing what really helped me was combination of cypro and thyroid surrogate. I am very curious about your advice so please, what you would do when you have really bad health ( I think that I will get depression because of it), you must do work which you hate, you are under constantly pressure from your parents, food is like poison for your body? I cant help myself but I know that everything is easy when I support my body with some supplement. You can think that I am weak but I have no pleasure from my life so supplements are sometimes my only option and I can tell you that I am ready to kill for high energy , strong body. Thank you.

I tried to explain everything in overall which i thought was important and could be translated into practice.Why do you think they are not practical? But as I explained hype over Peat which is already huge and his convincing story will make their and other posts that are different than Peat much less convincing. But as I explained majority of people that come here are in low energy state , impressed by Peat convincing artistic story or ended up loaded with Serotonin while Peating and so are disabled to think for themselves and just cant escape that Box inside of their heads.
Ok if you think Haidut is practical than listen to his advices. Your choice. IMO Haidut is "practical" and knowledgeable in a similar( one sided, convincing) way like Peat is as @gbolduev explained in his posts.

It seems like you already choosed your path and your questions are not so defined. If you feel good now on pregnenolone and androsterone Ok if it helps you mentally but I am pretty sure that it is not going to last very long without running into new issues. And so i do not think you should expect something great at all with that approach long therm. In fact you might expect even worse situation after some time when things get out of control and you lose coherence with environment and roots of your inflammation even more. And no thyroid is not anti inflammatory for every inflammatory process thats already present as i explained in that bolded part because thyroid requires different support than cortisol. And so your sensitivity to cortisol and adrenaline will be sky high on exogenous thyroid/progesterone/prehnenolone without removing real burden and inflammation. Nor it will enable you to overcome that over time just by "adjusting the dose" And the further you go down that road the harder it will be to regain homeostasis again.
It is clear that Peat as an "endocrinologist" couldnt solve even his bad health and low energy with all sorts of drugs and hormones he has taken over the years(and arguably it affected his cognitive process and detached himself from cooperation with other scientists) and you expect as an amateur something good. I think you will stress yourself greatly just by thinking about what combination of supps you should be taking next and to wait what a reaction you ll get from them. If you are already low energy and over that have stressfull job or environment or if you are spending a whole day in front of your PC or in crowded wifi (emf) places it can be a source of all your health problems(hair loss, low energy, constipation). I would find myself even strange (uncomfortable) for example directly recommending people to quit their stressfull jobs or what to eat let alone to recommend what hormones and supplements they should be taking. If you chosed to believe Haidut and it "helps" you now OK but i just think when it comes to supplements many people are dishonest in their reports , some are running on placebo from convincing stories , some on stress hormones. But thats just me.

@nikolabeacon What do you think that is an optimal diet?

I'm more and more leaning towards a high carb, very low fat diet with moderate protein (0.6~0.8g/lb bodyweight) which is, basically, what @tyw and @Westside PUFAs also seem to agree with and promote.

Pritikin's work offer some very good evidence that this could be the best bet for your health. Denise Minger's "In defense of low fat" is very compelling too, and her view of "carbosis" seem very interesting.

Also, if you could elaborate on the calcium part, I'd be very grateful. I'm currently consuming a considerably high amount of skim milk (current Ca intake 2000~3000mg) and while I respectfully disagree with yours views on the Ca/Po ratio, I may be eating way too much Ca, even for my size.

Yes their posts are good and match with a classic traditional real world longevity diets in many regions as I mentioned in that thread "tyw said something" and with the work of William F. Koch.

Ca to P ratio? I think that ratio does not need to be as he preaches. Its just one good example where Peat contradicts himself by recommending the food (dairy) which have crazy amounts of P. I think that it is more important to keep overall P low first which can be done only with limiting meat consumption and not drinking crazy amounts of milk Also Not all sources of Phosphorus have same bioavailabiloty as milk. P is also opposed by Mg of course from food not from supplements (which can also control PTH) and by doing this you ll also have much better ratio of Mg to Ca. Pounding Ca will do nothing and potentially will only cause many problems esspecially if you are not supplementing thyroid which i explained why is not so wise decision.


@Mito why many people struggle with Peating even after taking thyroid and have immune reactions( problems with hair, intestines, frequent colds, skin inflammation etc.)? It is because when you try to lower cortisol by any means directly (be it loads of forced sucrose feeding or taking thyroid, antiserotonin drugs etc) without actual coherence with environment your sensitivity to cortisol and adrenaline will be skigh high and such state is very vulnerable for many thing because range of cortisol actions against stress are very different to that of thyroid and thats why its not all about "pushing thyroid up" . Exposure to cortisol long term is surely detrimental to health but correct way to lower cortisol is to eliminate the things in the LIFE and DIET which are exacerbating inflammation and remove the burden from the system not to imitate "healthy low cortisol state" when system is not ready for that and without actual "high metabolism environment".... cortisol's actions against certain already present ongoing inflammation are not the same as thyroid's or progesterone ("low stress state"). If it is, people here shouldn't have mentiones problems. It is clearly showing that it is vulnerable state to just lower cortisol by any means without ADEQUATE replacement and push thyroid up without adequate healthy support since you stopped current ADEQUATE defense mechanism against the current inflammation...and metabolism will fix in itself just by lowering cortisol by any means and it will not be "resilent" to many things in the life that can be opposed adequately only with cortisol.....

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I bolded that part. That conclusion about hypothyroidism and heart attacks is taken from Broda Barnes ...it might be true but with supplementing exogenous TH and opposing cortisol by any means (suddenly) without adequate environmental and body support and replacement you are not correcting anything nor you will be resilent to every inflammation and actually you will be muuch more vulnerable to various other stressors and accute inflammations that can't be adequately opposed with TH. Esspecially if you are taking it consistently over the
longer periods of time. You will surely have problems I mentioned in my post.

Ok.I posted some impulsive comments and what now?.....i agree that when we disagree with something we should try do it without ad hominem and impulsive comments...but sometimes....


And communicTion (and forum) should be a flowing proces ...People that do not show their thought process are insane ... I think forum is a place where you present your thought process...lol but what does that even mean ....everyone here is posting their thoughts.....and those thoughts are currently "facts" for their current understanding in that particular thought process...But many people are dishonest and their "personas" are afraid to present their real changing and doubtfull thought process and confess when something is not right.. What do you expect ???... I decided that it was good to try to explain some of my realizations and post some things( purist Peaty) not because I am back at "hardcore Peating" but as apologize and contra action after that to show my opinion that things are not only black and white and can indeed work if you desperately want that. But i see now that I shouldnt .
I am ready to alter my opinions fast if there is some realization about even small missing piece that can change a whole theory. And even then thats just me.

nor there is a disscusion about important things..its boring..and i am not posting anythimg related to that since its not welcomed on this forum and it will quickly turn into a War even if "scientiffic studies" are posted. It is clear that majority of People that follow Peat diet end up loaded with Serotonin and start to develop Asperger type behaviour.

And its clear that even Peat can not live without Cyprophetadine and other anti S. Drugs and many other supps and hormones besides bathing with Progesterone and CO2 on a daily basis as in his mothers Womb while preachimg that supps are dangerous and poor quality. I see he is eatimg his Prometabolic diet but it needs "soms little support" from "some" supps and hormones . Maybe he didnt cured his colitis with daily carrots and Lidocaine, activated charcoal and avoidance of Starch. Just look how he is tremulous while speaking ...He is not achieved antiaging in a true sense at all his internal though process and voice and eyes tells everything. People on thyroid usually die from heart attacks .

If not they would welcome every critique even if it is not correct or agressive and they would actually explain( and interprete if they understamd everything very well) that here on forum in their language since forum is actually a place for that not a Line of Defense. Sorry forgot to post my Serotonin ," LoL"


And if you want and are able to you can extract something usefull from every comment or post even if it is agressive and with bad attitude...but it is just the thing that we are learned from childhood by our parents and the system and society and programed to neglect and repress everything that is unpolite,disrespectfull and consider it as "BAD".Everything must be smoothed out , happy, polite etc..

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And actually what i wrote here and my other past posts I still think is true if you are in a state when cortisol is chronically elevated from stress or with sluggish liver and inflammed bowels..... milk(Ca) , fructose and caffeine will not work as simple as that in such state and it will make it worse (especially if you are taking large doses niacinamide+aspirin along with many other supps while eating SFA)....its a reason why people may gain weight , get fatty liver, have blood sugar diabetic symptoms, constipation and hair issues. Overfeeding Palm Oil Causes More Liver And Visceral Fat Accumulation Than Sunflower Oil

PUFAs Cause Fatty Liver (and Reference To Mildronate)

Palmitic Acid (palmitate) Is A Fatty Acid Oxidation Inhibitor More Powerful Than Mildronate

Where Is The Evidence That Saturated Fats ___ Pyruvate Dehydrogenase? its not an evidence.

Studies? Where Is Evidence PUFAs Are Preferentially Stored Not Burned? considring his large "pubmed " experience Peat response here is more than Funny and it doesn t answer the question of course Peat doesnt have an actual biological explanation for that. Truth is actually reverse but not with Mc Donalds pufa.

Also Peat "assumptions" about mechanisms of Pufa accumulation vs burning( and its toxic metabolites) doesn' t have any proof and is not correct according to very good actual explanation about that i the W.F.Koch work . Not all pufa's are same nor they are ingested in a same form and state. For ex. You can't compare animal derived arachidonic acid pufa with others or refined and rancid pufa with that in fresh natural form.

Read William F. Koch Research Site

Koch is also right about all animal proteins in the Diet (and importance of fiber ). Their consumption should be very limited . And Peat himself and people on Peat diet ( including me ) need more protein because Peat diet is actually Terrible for the Liver and stomach acid health long term... it is because his diet of Ca and sugar will destroy your digestion and bottleneck the liver with all that fructose and lactose.(and you need T, Cooffe and extra protein to keep liver working which will have side effects of course such as still weak digestion, various forms of Sibo from Ca and protein, hair loss from impaired kidneys from ammonia overload) Thats why Peat need antibiotics, cRrots, mushrooms, charcoal, enemas, coffee, Mg supplements, lidocaine gel and progesterone and thyroid.

And also its not particularly wise at all also in this context about water and cells to connect stunning Ling's WORK to Peat's "work" whose "work" is like a kindergarten compared to Ling, Gyorgys and Kochs work.

..Fructose and caffeine in some people with noth enough active TH can improve situation short term but there is limit to their action since they are like a medicine and protection under stress but You are not correcting the problems with them at all...in fact you will accumulate other worse issues while medicating with tons of sugar and coffee of course others will use thyroid hormone but there is not much difference in that approach.



.And supplementing thyroid will not work long term either in everyone as can be seen here on forum....because thyroid will not neceassary improve liver and it needs other support..Nd even if it works i dont see too much reports for how long it worked or if things are always under control.. and when we are here about thyroid .
that notion that thyroid is like a " food" and that people in the past were eating that regularly (which is impossible since it was impossible to control the dose and was very dangerous to do so constantly) is not correct and is not needed .... hormones are actually last in the chain and in evolution of living things...they are a RESULT and SIGNALS from the complex environment and result of perceptions by our Brain, food(nutrients, minerals , vitamins etc...so making good dietary choices and life activities and environment should actually tottaly control hormones..not the other way round. You have a power to perceive things and take hormone but what gave you or induced that realization in the first place...??? Read something (and understand) from Koch and Gyorgyi to understand this part.

And guess why many people struggle with Peating even after taking thyroid and have immune reactions( problems with hair, intestines, frequent colds, skin inflammation etc.)? It is because when you try to lower cortisol by any means directly (be it loads of forced sucrose feeding or taking thyroid, antiserotonin drugs etc) without actual coherence with environment your sensitivity to cortisol and adrenaline will be skigh high and such state is very vulnerable for many thing because range of cortisol actions against stress are very different to that of thyroid and thats why its not all about "pushing thyroid up" . Exposure to cortisol long term is surely detrimental to health but correct way to lower cortisol is to eliminate the things in the LIFE and DIET which are exacerbating inflammation and remove the burden from the system not to imitate "healthy low cortisol state" when system is not ready for that and without actual "high metabolism environment".... cortisol's actions against certain already present ongoing inflammation are not the same as thyroid's or progesterone ("low stress state"). If it is, people here shouldn't have mentiones problems. It is clearly showing that it is vulnerable state to just lower cortisol by any means without ADEQUATE replacement and push thyroid up without adequate healthy support since you stopped current ADEQUATE defense mechanism against the current inflammation...and metabolism will fix in itself just by lowering cortisol by any means and it will not be "resilent" to many things in the life that can be opposed adequately only with cortisol..... Our duty is to realize that and correct in a proper way and its the only way we can make REAL change in the current stressfull system and environment......It is not "destroying a pathogen" approach but removing the burden from the system in a correct way in order to allow healing process to procede. This is the Truth.


If someone like to experiment and have much better understanding Ok nothing wrong with that. And that is a whole point of our choices and actions ..foods and its compunds and actions are actually hormones....ingesting hormones can be very complex and hard to control and keep in check in the long run without running into troubles and is much harder to correct ...esspecially if you do not know what you are doing which is the case with the majority of people here .Sometimes exogenous hormones are needed really but they will always work short term without actually "correcting" anything.If someone like to experiment ok ..nothing wrong with that. Actually even Peat said thaT supplementing thyroid is not necessary for everyone. I think its necessary for minority.

I think many people will be better to start with things posted here by Tyw @tyw (and WestsidePUfA) and read ths Tyw. Said Something That Makes Alot Of Sense! and reading(and understanding) some posts by @gbolduev .And I am thinking that explanation that Peaty things are only for tonification and as a type of brake in childhood or with supplemental thyroid when everything function optimal and stress is low, is actually very very correct.

That is why for me it "worked" most of the time even when I was doing a period of 1.5 years of zero starch...but i actully developed issues with sleep(and i was actually stressing my selff with spiking of cortisol) with !arge quantities of milk and it was increasing my sebum and gave me sluggish serotonin like symptoms...my "negative posts " were mostly induced by reading other people's experiences here


And I in fact think that it is absolutely necessary really since I am actually feeling much better and "constant" when I eat a lot of starch with much lower protein intake with less calories. See explanation on bottom while people continue with this and are closed in this box even after experimental experience doesnt match with theory.
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I am learning from my body's signals and I will act according to them not convince and brainwash myself that this diet "Must work"...and run on a Placebo and Box inside of my heads.....People that talk like they are not experimenting and everything "works without problems" with "some supps" (while they cant cure their SIBO's and bad digestion and axiety from stresfull life LOL) are very dishonest imo but I do not understand why really...In my opinion good diet does not need "this" or "that" on a daily basis

Because this is RP forum some of his smart quotes....


"There is an inertia that makes it easy to over-value present knowledge. If we have enough energy (and enough time), we overcome the inertia. "

"No particular kind of knowledge will have such authority that it will automatically exclude certain possibilities in another field of knowledge."

"Sanity itself requires that we not confuse our wishes, assumptions, methods, and ideas with the world that we are trying to understand. If our method determines our conclusions we are closer to theology than to science, and that is how many "scientists" prefer it."

*** well you can ask yourself a question after this ...is Peat following this in his explanations and methods (many anecdotal personal observation and many studies he referenced for example)...NO.

Just One example is his experience with pregnenolone(it supposedly relieved his colitis, asthma and inflammed arteries) and even thyroid and other things in the diet such as experience with starch. You can ask a random person thAt suffers from serious inflammation of bowels , digestion or colitis what they think about starch or how they react to it.? Or someone in the sick poor state from childhood where only exogenous hormones will relieve symptoms and save life what they think about exogenous hormone supplementation.? So you need to consider those things...

And "ad hominem" is related to understanding him fully because...Many of his "conclusions " are actually based on his personal case, illness and situation and some cases from his nutritional counseling...someone will alsoo have sucess with that similar approach for relieving some issues but it doesnt explain everything and many people are dishnonest Nd do not want to confess that even when there was improvement it didnt last for very long...and simply are not reporting or lying

@Liubo log into another forum ray peat org for continued conversation if you want (my account there is Spiral)
@Diokine and @paymanz i didnt reply to your question. And everyone of us who is working on individuality can sometimes become "autistic" in some areas of life and some choices so I do not see it as bad just that it needs to be separated and considered when you try to present that as an absolute truth and apply that to others as a truth in that context of self experimentation and personal goals and strivings and add " ad hominem" when you want to see what is behind someones work and writtings.

Wow i read his IQ is 200 (from progesterone)... and you will juddge that??? You need someone smarter than you and you will judge that??? So you believe everything that he is writting just because you have a criteria to judge how smart he is or what? I will accept to be considered even as an idiot but it doesn't mean nothing for me.
I personally really do think that Peat is " smart" by reading some parts of his work that are not about Nutrition and chemistry. I think he was smarter 40 years ago and it seems that his metabolic diet lowered his IQ. And i am not interested in arguing who is "smarter" since that is a very relative thing and means nothing. It is bassicaly an obssesion or projection induced by the system and society. You can be well read and experience a lot of things but it doesnt neceassarilly mean that you are smart...too much unnecessary information and exlperiments doesn't mean that you are able to comperhend things in a simple way.....Everyone can do that with enough time and energy.. . I can mentally diarrrhea 3 books similar to Peats with a lot of Copy and Pastes in less than a month.



I can respect his work and parts not related to nutrition and how he tries to present complete image but as I said if you were for ex. To compare his work, articles and books presented to Public with scientist on whose work he based 95% of "his theories" many Russian scientists, Gilbert Ling, Albert Szent Gyorgyi , W.F Koch (esspecially Koch)i would say that his work can not be considered superior in any way or more scientiffic. Àctually when it comes to many explanations it is much less scientiffic in comparation to theirs works . I know that he decided to be more practical/artistic and undersandable for more people in his work as he explains and it is actually very good and needed but I think he went a little too far with this and some parts made his work dogmatic and theoretical in the context of some too big and too early assumptions
...He has developed that aRtistic ability to make a comple story and That is why his work looks very complete and impressive and true in theory for many people esspecialy for us that do not have so detailed biochemical picture in our minds . Like every beautifull art or painting it dissables you to think for yourself . But art is always misleading and ilusory. Read books on the subject about Ilussion and Art. And when you have enough energy to overcome that and start to look at some simple details and basics considered as a fact and try to find answers for some assumptions and statememts many questions arise. AND in a real world many things are not working so easy and are hard too keep in check for many people as he writes and even some main hypotheses of his work yet need too be proven on a much larger scale of HUMANS over the much longer period of time. That is a reason why I am prone to always rely on traditional REAL experimental holistic knowledge when fragmentized science fails..."

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K.So it is good to first read everything that he wrote and try to understand basics because answers are usually in basics and small details. And it is always good to question things even the ones already considred 100% settled.

And some people are just Born more resilent because they are in a chain of past generation circles that were living better lives and have more food and better environment and are more Resilent and are not sick from Childhood . Its GENETICS still (or MEMORY) ..I read it affects " Intelligence". And no you can not increase it with "high progesterone" durring life or in just one pregnancy and it will not produce child prodigy. Not even close to that.
And i would advise other forum members not to believe in dishonest reports about supplements and that supplements will create good health. And also not to believe that you will "deplete" yourself of pufa(in 30 days) while avoiding it in the diet to 2 g and achieve regeneration and antiaging with Peating and drinking milk and oj .

This guy nailed it

The Earth Is Flat, Intellectuals Weep

LoLoL

Is that some kind of new Serotonin language you learned from some of your exotic Hawaiian Clients which successfully boosted their Serotonin with "Peating" ?

 

[Broken man]

So sorry but I have no knowledge about nutrition and body and I am like average joe so please understand that what you, tyw and gbolduev are writing is really useless for me. Why? Because I would be more stressed about my diet when its so complicated. How I can hit all these ratios and minerals? I tried diet alone ended bloated and destroyed , all I could eat without problems were sugar, potatoes and casein powder. So what is your practical advice? All what I need everyday is cyproheptadine and maybe caffeine and pregnenolone with B- vitamins and fat solubles. Andro and Diamant when I really need it. I am very curious, how you want avoid all stressors? All rich and famous people take something so they can work long and hard. I have 2 options, hate the world or try improve my situation. Honestly, I think that when somebody is not healthy, your only option how to fight against all chemicals and thyroid disruptors from food and water are just next drugs. I am not native speaker so sorry for my english. @nikolabeacon

 

[lollipop]

Is that some kind of new Serotonin language you learned from some of your exotic Hawaiian Clients which successfully boosted their Serotonin with "Peating" ?

Not sure what you mean @nikolabeacon?

 

[Mito]

thats why its not all about "pushing thyroid up

I wasn't implying it was. I posted this The Benefits Of Decreased Thyroid Function but when you make a (imo ridiculous) statement like "People on thyroid usually die from heart attacks." You should probably support it with scientific evidence.

And its clear that even Peat can not live without Cyprophetadine and other anti S. Drugs and many other supps and hormones besides bathing with Progesterone and CO2 on a daily basis as in his mothers Womb while preachimg that supps are dangerous and poor quality. Just look how he is tremulous while speaking ...He is not achieved antiaging in a true sense at all his internal though process and voice and eyes tells everything.

Why do you feel the need to support your ideas with personal attacks on Ray?

I think many people will be better to start with things posted here by Tyw @tyw (and WestsidePUfA) and read ths Tyw. Said Something That Makes Alot Of Sense! and reading(and understanding) some posts by @gbolduev

I like Tyw's posts. And he has said "I will disagree with some of what Peat says, and will agree with more than I disagree. Some of the disagreements are on principles, and most are just on relatively minor practical tweaks."Haidut's Summary Of PUFA

 

[nikolabeacon]

So sorry but I have no knowledge about nutrition and body and I am like average joe so please understand that what you, tyw and gbolduev are writing is really useless for me. Why? Because I would be more stressed about my diet when its so complicated. How I can hit all these ratios and minerals? I tried diet alone ended bloated and destroyed , all I could eat without problems were sugar, potatoes and casein powder. So what is your practical advice? All what I need everyday is cyproheptadine and maybe caffeine and pregnenolone with B- vitamins and fat solubles. Andro and Diamant when I really need it. I am very curious, how you want avoid all stressors? All rich and famous people take something so they can work long and hard. I have 2 options, hate the world or try improve my situation. Honestly, I think that when somebody is not healthy, your only option how to fight against all chemicals and thyroid disruptors from food and water are just next drugs. I am not native speaker so sorry for my english. @nikolabeacon

I don't know what you expect from me. You need to decide between those 2 choices. I think I gave you a good explanation and advice.

I wasn't implying it was. I posted this The Benefits Of Decreased Thyroid Function but when you make a (imo ridiculous) statement like "People on thyroid usually die from heart attacks." You should probably support it with scientific evidence.

Why do you feel the need to support your ideas with personal attacks on Ray?

I like Tyw's posts. And he has said "I will disagree with some of what Peat says, and will agree with more than I disagree. Some of the disagreements are on principles, and most are just on relatively minor practical tweaks."Haidut's Summary Of PUFA

That statement is much less ridiculous than his statement about resilience on exogenous TH(and progesterone\pregenenolone) and medication with all sorts of other drugs(including tons of coffee).

I explained why. +He clearly have problems about authoritarianism and responsibility (and with being honest) when it comes to his "recommendations" to various peoople and contradiction between his THEORY and real world evidences.

Yes. And as with every other atempt you(and author of that site) were also attacked without actually any actual proof about that explanation.

That's BS. I won't comment about that since it will be" me talking in the name of Tyw.

 

[Broken man]

I don't know what you expect from me. You need to decide between those 2 choices. I think I gave you a good explanation and advice.

Okay , honestly, you sound like my doctor. Thank you for your opinion, I know that I have problem with authoritarianism and I am proud of it. You must do this and for low money so you must work all day long and you must take this because we need your money and nobody care that it is not helping you but I am young man without experiences and knowledge. How old are you if I can ask? Caffeine - a "new" drug for depression / social defeat

 

[nikolabeacon]

Okay , honestly, you sound like my doctor. Thank you for your opinion, I know that I have problem with authoritarianism and I am proud of it. You must do this and for low money so you must work all day long and you must take this because we need your money and nobody care that it is not helping you but I am young man without experiences and knowledge. How old are you if I can ask? Caffeine - a "new" drug for depression / social defeat

"When an old and distinguished person speaks to you, listen to him carefully and with respect — but do not believe him. Never put your trust into anything but your own intellect. Your elder, no matter whether he has gray hair or has lost his hair, no matter whether he is a Nobel laureate — may be wrong. The world progresses, year by year, century by century, as the members of the younger generation find out what was wrong among the things that their elders said. So you must always be skeptical — always think for yourself." Linus Pauling

 

[Broken man]

"When an old and distinguished person speaks to you, listen to him carefully and with respect — but do not believe him. Never put your trust into anything but your own intellect. Your elder, no matter whether he has gray hair or has lost his hair, no matter whether he is a Nobel laureate — may be wrong. The world progresses, year by year, century by century, as the members of the younger generation find out what was wrong among the things that their elders said. So you must always be skeptical — always think for yourself." Linus Pauling

Thank you, so did you improve your hypothyroidism? If yes, how please?

 

[Djukami]

Yeah, it's another way of saying, "I don't know what's wrong with you but it's scary and I hope it doesn't happen to me or any of my loved ones."

Very well put. I mean, if we are completely honest, we all do that unconsciously when we see some natural disaster or people with some disease. But shouldn't they be prepared to know how to deal with some people's issues and to real pay attention to what they are saying and not simple labeling us as "crazy"? "Perceive, think, act." is lacking everywhere, especially on this field. However, they learned on school to apply their knowledge like this: prescribing meds. It's education fault in the end.

Often they're actually the crazy ones running on stress and prescribing such behavior to others but, tragically, no one can tell.

Unfortunately that's how society works... They have money and social status. Basically, that in itself allows them to see like they were superior to everyone.
This mentally still exists in my country (and probably many others). I'm remembering a lady repeating so many times in a conversation how his son is studying medicine. And then putting pictures of her son on Facebook with a description like "My future doctor."
However, this probably will start to disappear since nutrition is starting to grow and people are becoming more aware because they are doing research on their own.

I'll check out this Cohen guy, thanks.

Pretty smart dude. His site is much more "cliche" right now unfortnately. However, when his site was his blog, he had very interesting points (he still has). Also, he has experimented bunch of ***t on himself.
I think this here will give an idea how his life was: https://selfhacked.com/improvements/

 

[Mito]

Pretty smart dude. His site is much more "cliche" right now unfortnately. However, when his site was his blog, he had very interesting points (he still has).

He did some interesting youtube interviews of people like Gerald Pollack and Michael Hamblin. But he stopped doing them probably because he's spending all his time developing his selfdecode business.

It's great that he was able to "fix" all of his issues, but unfortunate that it's takes such an extremely restrictive diet.