I was vegan for at least 4,3 or 5 years, vegetarian even moreIt isn't a joke. It's reality. Vegans, the long term ones are dropping out of the vegan religion as they realize their health is failing. Slowly but surely it happens to all hardcore vegans. Even one's that have the money and dedication to do it right. They have a few great years of flying high with tons of energy which slumps down more and more until they are half dead. Some last months, some last years, all fall eventually because humans are not meant to live on plant matter alone.
My personal opinion is because a vegan diet is very heavy on copper content and adequate enough in iron(which more copper helps to absorb the nonheme iron better than usual) and jokingly low in zinc bioavailability. This copper constantly stimulates the CNS which sustains energy. Vegan diet is tons of sugar and carbs + copper with virtually zero antagonism of sympathetic nervous system by zinc and lack of choline(for acetylcholine aka the parasympathetic nervous system). And you don't even need much copper (though vegan diet provides a lot regardless) because without zinc you have virtually nothing stopping conversion of dopamine to noradrenaline and adrenaline. You can be like this for years but constant SNS activity increases wear and tear on all tissues and organs. The high manganese content of vegan diets can act similarly to zinc and work for awhile but what happens is you will not be able to repair damage faster than it is being made.
And because any vegan that has a few brain cells takes B12, they can make adrenaline easily as well. I'd argue many vegans are literally being sustained by constant B12 supplementation as well. Anyone is welcome to try say 5mg of methylB12 sublingual. I took just 1mg methylB12 one time under the tongue right when I had to sleep months ago(stupid idea, pure curiosity). I did it correctly as suddenly after perhaps half an hour I had a surge of energy and wakefulness seemingly out of no where. I proceeded not to sleep the entire night and just ran around my house like I had caffeine injected straight into the vein.
The actual joke is veganism, you can especially see this in women who look generally youthful before starting and then age like crazy, lose tons of weight, and become anemic and constantly cold. Then they come to their senses and start eating animals again. There is no point for argument because there is no argument that could possibly be made for veganism. I legit come to these threads oftentimes just to watch the show. So much effort from the sensible omnivores (99% of the community) arguing with a handful of "Peaty" vegans.
You'll ride the vegan wave until suddenly you can't anymore and you won't understand why. Then you'll just stop being a vegan. That's how it happens to all ex-vegans. Some try harder than others to tough it out and try all these crazy expensive things to fix themselves for months and months as they get worse. Some cave in faster, but all cave in eventually. We won't hold it against you when your time finally comes, I swear lol (at least I won't). You don't even have to tell anyone, just don't end up dead for veganism.
I only "discontinued" because I discovered, thanks to Haidut, that plants are sentients beings
What happened when I stopped cold turkey, consuming 2L of milk in less than 2 hours!? Nothing, noticed nothing different! Even after months
Only gained pounds and kcal consumption reduced a lot
Being vegan/ vegetarian was easy, even more, ease than peating
For people wondering about that topic, I recommend this thread: Peat's Surprising Response To My Email. A "Ray Peat Vegan" Is Possible
Or just ask members of this forum who are/ almost vegans or tried veganism
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