Such_Saturation
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Blossom said:Maybe some people leave the forum because they feel insulted by some of the posts. Many people healing really don't need to be exposed to all the 'fattist' statements. Is this really what people think Peat's work is about? Honestly.gretchen said:Curt :-) said:Good question. I'm sure some people have high-tailed it out of Peat-Land after initial weight gain.
This is what I should have done.
The idea that people should get well and move on reminds me of the plastic surgery boards I used to post on in the 2000s. We often discussed the fact that people left after getting their noses fixed.
Is this honestly people's view of Peat's ideas: implement them, get better, then get on with your life? What is this, a hospital?
I thought the suggestion was to "perceive, think, act" which lends itself to an ongoing, unfolding process, not a linear-type protocol.
Isn't that the truth! :1BingDing said:The way I think about it, though it might be overstating the case, is the skinny people in the Alzheimer's ward are not having any more fun than the chubby ones.
gretchen said:What's wrong with being interested in learning how to control your weight? Isn't what you weigh a factor in how you cope with your environment? Doesn't having mastery over it help you to achieve your best potential?
tara said:gretchen said:What's wrong with being interested in learning how to control your weight? Isn't what you weigh a factor in how you cope with your environment? Doesn't having mastery over it help you to achieve your best potential?
For people who can do this consistent with good health, it's fine.
But for many people, restrictive dieting for weight loss can result in worse health (and usually results in fat gain). For people prone to restrictive eating disorders, it can be quite dangerous - it can result in serious or catastrophic damage to health. Being healthy is generally better for having mastery over the environment.
I suspect that part of the reason that many people gain weight while trying some of Peat's suggestions is that they are coming from restrictive eating practices that have left them malnourished, and for some people, with reduced thyroid function or other damaged systems. Then they start eating to appetite for a while, and gain weight, because this is the normal (and often healthy) thing that happens when people stop starving themselves. For some people, gaining weight is a very good thing. Some people just need to gain weight to get up their own personal healthy set point, to repair damaged organs, etc. For other people, the stresses they have subjected their bodies to have predisposed it to gain a bit of extra fat, as an adaptive mechanism against future famines.
My impression is that when Peat has spontaneously mentioned weight- or fat-loss, it has usually been in the context of illustrating that some tactic has helped improve metabolism, not as an end in itself.
Awesome explanation!tara said:gretchen said:What's wrong with being interested in learning how to control your weight? Isn't what you weigh a factor in how you cope with your environment? Doesn't having mastery over it help you to achieve your best potential?
For people who can do this consistent with good health, it's fine.
But for many people, restrictive dieting for weight loss can result in worse health (and usually results in fat gain). For people prone to restrictive eating disorders, it can be quite dangerous - it can result in serious or catastrophic damage to health. Being healthy is generally better for having mastery over the environment.
I suspect that part of the reason that many people gain weight while trying some of Peat's suggestions is that they are coming from restrictive eating practices that have left them malnourished, and for some people, with reduced thyroid function or other damaged systems. Then they start eating to appetite for a while, and gain weight, because this is the normal (and often healthy) thing that happens when people stop starving themselves. For some people, gaining weight is a very good thing. Some people just need to gain weight to get up their own personal healthy set point, to repair damaged organs, etc. For other people, the stresses they have subjected their bodies to have predisposed it to gain a bit of extra fat, as an adaptive mechanism against future famines.
My impression is that when Peat has spontaneously mentioned weight- or fat-loss, it has usually been in the context of illustrating that some tactic has helped improve metabolism, not as an end in itself.
I have not read anything from Peat that indicates that he is has ever been into restrictive dieting in order to lose weight. I have no idea what his healthy set point would be. If he has never restricted, and generally eats to appetite, it may well find itself. He seems to be pretty good at noticing which factors enhance his health. I'd be surprised if he would run himself down by starvation.Such_Saturation said:If Ray Peat ate tortillas fried in coconut oil and kept on shedding pounds, should he stop eating them for fear of veering from his healthy set point?
tara said:I have not read anything from Peat that indicates that he is has ever been into restrictive dieting in order to lose weight. I have no idea what his healthy set point would be. If he has never restricted, and generally eats to appetite, it may well find itself. He seems to be pretty good at noticing which factors enhance his health. I'd be surprised if he would run himself down by starvation.Such_Saturation said:If Ray Peat ate tortillas fried in coconut oil and kept on shedding pounds, should he stop eating them for fear of veering from his healthy set point?
He has reported some fairly generous calorie intakes at times in his life, and he deliberately avoids getting hypothyroid, so I'm not too worried about him from this point of view. :)
Such_Saturation said:I think in a way, we create a new setpoint each time we eat something. If that make any sense
Blossom said:It just breaks my heart to see people choose weight before health but I know each person can and should make their own choices. I've seen so many people unable to heal because they just couldn't stand to face gaining a few pounds even temporarily that it can be a real gut wrenching subject for me.
gretchen said:What's wrong with being interested in learning how to control your weight? Isn't what you weigh a factor in how you cope with your environment? Doesn't having mastery over it help you to achieve your best potential?
That's beautiful Jennifer. :1Jennifer said:Looks like this has been addressed, but since I just spent time writing this, I'll post my opinion anyway. :)
Blossom said:It just breaks my heart to see people choose weight before health but I know each person can and should make their own choices. I've seen so many people unable to heal because they just couldn't stand to face gaining a few pounds even temporarily that it can be a real gut wrenching subject for me.
I agree with you, Blossom. I've seen far too many people in my life and have read far too many stories of people's health being ruined in their attempt to lose weight.
This is not to say that there aren't plenty of people who lose weight in a healthy manner, but I feel there's a danger that comes with the belief that we somehow have to be better than who we are at this very moment. Couple that with a perfectionistic all or nothing attitude and nightmares can happen. These kinds of personalities will do whatever it takes to be perfect even if it destroys them. And the saddest part is they often succeed.
gretchen said:What's wrong with being interested in learning how to control your weight? Isn't what you weigh a factor in how you cope with your environment? Doesn't having mastery over it help you to achieve your best potential?
This is just my opinion, but I don't think mastering our weight has anything to do with our best potential. Sure, it may make us feel better in our skin and this can help compensate for when we don't feel too great about ourselves as a whole, but that doesn't change the fact that we already are our best potential. We wake up in the morning being our best potential and our heads hit our pillows at night being our best potential. It never goes away no matter how thin or how heavy we are.
Maybe instead of trying to adjust our weights, our time might be better spent in adjusting our attitudes towards ourselves? Maybe when we finally stop judging ourselves, we will then stop judging others. I think this is one of the best ways to bring down our faulty medical, pharmaceutical and diet industries. These industries are counting on us to not value ourselves. They are counting on us to be intolerant towards each other. This keeps all those systems going.