Ability to wake up early in the morning as a sign of high metabolism

[Herbie]

I’d like to add that most people die in the early hours of the morning when the stress hormones are peaking

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Try to limit your fluid intake to a window like 8AM to 10AM for a week and please report if it helps you regarding that issue.

I (logically, but it might depend on the amount of fluid I take during that window) don't wake up during the night to go to the bathroom anymore.

I rarely wake up in the night needing to go to the bathroom. If I do wake up, it’s most often due to low blood sugar.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

At what time do you go to sleep ?
How do you feel 4-3 hours before going to bed ?

On average, 12am.
Energised. I feel best in the evening, 6 to .10pm

 

[Quelsatron]

When I was feeling good as late as 3 years ago I basically jumped out of bed and started kicking the air on a regular basis.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

So it's over if you wake up late?

The problem is not how early you wake up, but more how quickly can you get your body and mind running in high gear, once you do wake up.
If you’re a zombie for 3hrs since the moment you wake up, that ain’t right.

 

[redsun]

The problem is not how early you wake up, but more how quickly can you get your body and mind running in high gear, once you do wake up.
If you’re a zombie for 3hrs since the moment you wake up, that ain’t right.

Means you either have low cortisol (rare) or most likely you probably need to reduce caffeine and other stimulants that downregulate the activity of NTs that help you get up in the morning.

 

[jomamma007]

On average, 12am.
Energised. I feel best in the evening, 6 to .10pm

I had this for years. Internet say it was adrenal issues lol, but shifting diet and cyproheptadine helped. You gotta find what works for you, but I think that high energy that usually start around 4-6 pm depending upon daylight savings time etc combined with being groggy in the morning is a sure sign of excess endoxotin/serotonin.

 

[IT'S OVER]

I used to sleep very well on the firsts 1-4 months on the carnivore diet, and woke up very refreshed. Inflammation was at its lowest, 0 acne, very little constipation , 0 stink gas, no depression. Although in therms of energy it was not perfect (due to 0 carb intake) i felt very good. After the 4 month the benefits started to go away and the side effects to happend. After 2 months i had to got back to carbs, acne started to appear in the next day. now after more 9 months its getting much worst, sleep is bad, depression is slowly getting back,(even though i am in a moment of my life with a lot of opportunities and cool thing happening) gut is very bad as well. I went back to seeing the doctors at 1 month ago, let see if they really know something.

 

[Nomane Euger]

i have noticed these past weeks that all aspects of my health,including sleepyness at night,dept of sleep,appreciability of dream get better when the night fall and i turn on the artificial light,winter daylight from sun doesnt seems to be enough,sleep feel like a mementum,if you feel garbage before to sleep you wont wake up feeling great.high serotonin feeling goes with terrible sleep dept,bad dreams,even if you sleep in one block

 

[Blossom]

I used to sleep very well on the firsts 1-4 months on the carnivore diet, and woke up very refreshed. Inflammation was at its lowest, 0 acne, very little constipation , 0 stink gas, no depression. Although in therms of energy it was not perfect (due to 0 carb intake) i felt very good. After the 4 month the benefits started to go away and the side effects to happend. After 2 months i had to got back to carbs, acne started to appear in the next day. now after more 9 months its getting much worst, sleep is bad, depression is slowly getting back,(even though i am in a moment of my life with a lot of opportunities and cool thing happening) gut is very bad as well. I went back to seeing the doctors at 1 month ago, let see if they really know something.

I’m sorry you’re having a rough time. Having gone through it twice myself I’d recommend going slow. I hope doctors can help but don’t be too surprised if they can’t. You can still recover though and this is a really good place to help work through it all imo. Have you started a thread about what you’re going through?

 

[redsun]

I used to sleep very well on the firsts 1-4 months on the carnivore diet, and woke up very refreshed. Inflammation was at its lowest, 0 acne, very little constipation , 0 stink gas, no depression. Although in therms of energy it was not perfect (due to 0 carb intake) i felt very good. After the 4 month the benefits started to go away and the side effects to happend. After 2 months i had to got back to carbs, acne started to appear in the next day. now after more 9 months its getting much worst, sleep is bad, depression is slowly getting back,(even though i am in a moment of my life with a lot of opportunities and cool thing happening) gut is very bad as well. I went back to seeing the doctors at 1 month ago, let see if they really know something.

A very high choline intake can contribute to depression by elevating Ach levels. A carnivore diet is very high in micronutrients and choline that can promote cholinergic activity. Eventually Ach activity can get quite high like this. Carbs (via increasing insulin) help counteract Ach activity and more carbs tends to increase other neurotransmitters that help counteract the depressive effects of excess acetycholine on the nervous system but it may not last because the principal issue is not addressed. Do you know your current typical choline intake on a daily basis? As well what do you supplement. Generally speaking, B-vitamin supplementation, zinc, manganese, vitamin C, vitamin E, all can increase Ach levels. Ach in excess antagonizes dopamine, norepinephrine, and glutamate function. Low activity of all of these contribute to depression and also anhedonia. Ach excess will also increase ruminations.

Usually, strongly reducing total choline intake is enough but also Ach promoting supplements also need to be dropped.

 

[IT'S OVER]

Have you started a thread about what you’re going through?

I have done some blood tests, iam waiting for the results =)

 

[Blossom]

I have done some blood tests, iam waiting for the results =)

Sounds good.

 

[IT'S OVER]

A very high choline intake can contribute to depression by elevating Ach levels. A carnivore diet is very high in micronutrients and choline that can promote cholinergic activity. Eventually Ach activity can get quite high like this. Carbs (via increasing insulin) help counteract Ach activity and more carbs tends to increase other neurotransmitters that help counteract the depressive effects of excess acetycholine on the nervous system but it may not last because the principal issue is not addressed. Do you know your current typical choline intake on a daily basis? As well what do you supplement. Generally speaking, B-vitamin supplementation, zinc, manganese, vitamin C, vitamin E, all can increase Ach levels. Ach in excess antagonizes dopamine, norepinephrine, and glutamate function. Low activity of all of these contribute to depression and also anhedonia. Ach excess will also increase ruminations.

Usually, strongly reducing total choline intake is enough but also Ach promoting supplements also need to be dropped.

Thanks to the response redsun. I dont know what the exact amount of choline iam getting right now but i eat about 4-6 eggs and 300-400g of ground meat/day, both grass-fed and free range. As for cabs its about 300g/day coming mostly from parboiled rice and about 50-70g from demerara sugar. My depression started way before i did the carnivore diet. I will make a tread soon showing my blood work as well. My gut has always been bad, since a decade ago, i think it has a lot to do with this.

 

[InChristAlone]

Thanks to the response redsun. I dont know what the exact amount of choline iam getting right now but i eat about 4-6 eggs and 300-400g of ground meat/day, both grass-fed and free range. As for cabs its about 300g/day coming mostly from parboiled rice and about 50-70g from demerara sugar. My depression started way before i did the carnivore diet. I will make a tread soon showing my blood work as well. My gut has always been bad, since a decade ago, i think it has a lot to do with this.

Sounds to me more like low dopamine. Which can also be caused by lifestyle. Video games, pornography, social media, caffeine addiction, etc. I have very little stimulation in my life so a small amount of chocolate seems to cure any low mood for me. But I also believe redsun could be right about too much choline. Take a break from the eggs for a while and see if your mood lifts.

 

[redsun]

Thanks to the response redsun. I dont know what the exact amount of choline iam getting right now but i eat about 4-6 eggs and 300-400g of ground meat/day, both grass-fed and free range. As for cabs its about 300g/day coming mostly from parboiled rice and about 50-70g from demerara sugar. My depression started way before i did the carnivore diet. I will make a tread soon showing my blood work as well. My gut has always been bad, since a decade ago, i think it has a lot to do with this.

Your depression is not caused by carnivore diet or carbs or none of that. This is what I was trying to make you understand. Root cause in your case is excess acetylcholine and you probably have dealt with it since the onset of your depression. And looks like my assumption was correct considering just how many eggs you consume and quite a bit of meat which also adds more choline into your diet. You are easily getting over 1g a day of choline. But meat is fine as the ratio of choline to protein content is much better than eggs, which have way too much choline so don't get rid of meat.

All you need to do is stop the eggs and I am confident your depression will reduce dramatically. You are likely genetically predisposed to higher Ach activity. The fact that you also said that life is going pretty well for you and you still experience depression definitely points to high Ach blocking dopamine, glutamate, and norepinephrine too much. The main cause of high Ach is very high choline intake and dropping eggs should very quickly improve you.

Try to replace your protein you get from eggs with either dairy or more meat as they are much lower in choline. Later on once your depression lifts you can maybe try 1-2 eggs daily again see if it comes back again.

 

[Mito]

I was discussing with a female coworker various topics and she mentioned how she woke up at 6am that day and was very productive. We are both late 20s / early 30s age bracket. In contrast, I find it very hard to wake up at 6am, I barely can get myself to wake up at 8/9, as I work from home. And even then, I'm groggy for a good part of the morning, up until 11/12am. While she wakes up at 6am and is all fired up for work at 7am.
My theory is that early risers are in good metabolic health, and how easily do you wake up in the morning is a marker for said metabolic health.

 

[burtlancast]

On average, 12am.
Energised. I feel best in the evening, 6 to .10pm

Then your problem isn't metabolism, but circadian clock.

You might have a mild case of delayed sleep phase syndrome

If i was you, i would try to rid my pinneal gland of it's fluoride content; magnesium, iodine and boron all help.

 

[Progress888]

Your depression is not caused by carnivore diet or carbs or none of that. This is what I was trying to make you understand. Root cause in your case is excess acetylcholine and you probably have dealt with it since the onset of your depression. And looks like my assumption was correct considering just how many eggs you consume and quite a bit of meat which also adds more choline into your diet. You are easily getting over 1g a day of choline. But meat is fine as the ratio of choline to protein content is much better than eggs, which have way too much choline so don't get rid of meat.

All you need to do is stop the eggs and I am confident your depression will reduce dramatically. You are likely genetically predisposed to higher Ach activity. The fact that you also said that life is going pretty well for you and you still experience depression definitely points to high Ach blocking dopamine, glutamate, and norepinephrine too much. The main cause of high Ach is very high choline intake and dropping eggs should very quickly improve you.

Try to replace your protein you get from eggs with either dairy or more meat as they are much lower in choline. Later on once your depression lifts you can maybe try 1-2 eggs daily again see if it comes back again.

I was actually seeking out eating raw egg yolks specifically for the choline content as I have come across studies indicating that choline can be performance enhancing for aerobic based endurance activities.

I think the study I had come across studied a group of swimmers who were then supplementing with choline and the results were improved cardiovascular output For greater duration of times vs the non choline supplemented group.

I sometimes have up to 24-36 raw egg yolks a day but combined with maple syrup and full fat milk.

Not sure I have ever noticed any negative side effects from doing so and have actually noticed positive effects from drink such as skin appearing to be more clear as well as what I experience to be greater recovery time from training.

I basically eat steak, this egg yolk drink. juice my own OJ, eat a raw carrot a day, various kinds of dairy products from cheese to greek yogurts to kefir.

And that’s basically where I get my caloric intake from and doing so allows me to perform at a high level athletically but am always open minded to coming across new information that may inspire me to make adjustments in the name of knowing and being able to understand more through my own personal experinces.

Anyways thanks for sharing and please feel free to point me in the direction of more information as to why I should be avoiding raw egg yolks.

 

[redsun]

I was actually seeking out eating raw egg yolks specifically for the choline content as I have come across studies indicating that choline can be performance enhancing for aerobic based endurance activities.

I think the study I had come across studied a group of swimmers who were then supplementing with choline and the results were improved cardiovascular output For greater duration of times vs the non choline supplemented group.

I sometimes have up to 24-36 raw egg yolks a day but combined with maple syrup and full fat milk.

Not sure I have ever noticed any negative side effects from doing so and have actually noticed positive effects from drink such as skin appearing to be more clear as well as what I experience to be greater recovery time from training.

I basically eat steak, this egg yolk drink. juice my own OJ, eat a raw carrot a day, various kinds of dairy products from cheese to greek yogurts to kefir.

And that’s basically where I get my caloric intake from and doing so allows me to perform at a high level athletically but am always open minded to coming across new information that may inspire me to make adjustments in the name of knowing and being able to understand more through my own personal experinces.

Anyways thanks for sharing and please feel free to point me in the direction of more information as to why I should be avoiding raw egg yolks.

There is no clear cut recommendation for everyone. If you are physically active, you will need more choline because of Ach's necessity for muscle contractions. Even moreso for athletes, they can easily become choline deficient if they exercise a lot. Endurance activity is much longer duration and thus the total amount of muscle contractions can be much much higher.

Many people also have SNPs in choline metabolism and methylation that makes them need more. Some also genetic issues that make them more prone to the excess Ach because of SNPs in the enzyme that breaks down Ach (acetylcholinesterase).

So whether you deal with excess acetylcholine is really if you are experiencing symptoms of excess Ach. Are you prone to depression, anhedonia, ruminations, prone to overthinking?