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After my good experience with a high temperature bath, (amplifying my metabolism and recovery breathing) I thought I'd try CO2 bathing. CO2 bathing is recommended by Dr. Peat, although he didn't specify the method (either dry co2 bath, putting the gas in the water directly, or the method I've done below). The author of recovery breathing also recommends it, his website is best viewed on google chrome so you can use the translator: Verkstedet Bodywork & Breathing System
Because my CP is low (which I currently theorise is because I have a lower Ph in my blood - which I am interested to raise it and see the effects), and because it seems to be the easiest and most cost effective method, I've decided to try bicarbonate and citric acid baths. One type of baking soda / cirtic acid bath is the common "bath bomb" or "bath fizzer" that you may already know of. Basically, the two interact when mixed with water and give off CO2.
The idea is that because of the nature of CO2, it is heavier than water, and so stays in the water, clings to your body, and absorbs through your skin.
People have also done plain baking soda baths, but according to this source, you need to use a lot more baking soda by itself because its not as readily absorbable comparatively to the CO2: CO2 Medicine & Bath Bombing Your Way to Health
Dr Sircus seems to have varying ideas to Peat. He emphasises high PH to kill cancer, and he loves his bicarbonates. And also seems to be a huge fan of magnesium and selenium.
It seems carbon dioxide bathing has been used for a long time to treat a variety of conditions which you can read here; http://www.centro-lavalle.com/edu/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Carbon_Dioxide_Bath.pdf
Of interest in this article is the temperature of the water.
Fig 1 shows that at 37c, normal water will not make your skin flush, however if it is infused wit the slightest amount of co2 it will make your skin flush.
It also shows that at a lower temperature such as 22c, you can still get significant flushing of the skin if CO2 concentrations are high enough.
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My experiment:
First I ran a hot bath and these were my results;
spO2 - 96% / 75 BPM
CP: 15sec
Then I added two bath bombs (generic purchase from a store) and waited 15 minutes;
spO2 - 96% / 70 BPM
CP: 17 sec
Conclusion:
I suspect there was not enough bicarb and citric acid for a significant effect.
However there does seem to be an increase in CP and a lowering of BPM which is in line with the supposed effects of CO2.
This could be good for people who have heart problems, as a hot bath can raise the heart rate too high. One of the links above mentioned that you can have a lower temperature bath using CO2 water, even though the water feels warmer (an effect of the CO2). If you want to go hard then you can go piping hot water + CO2.
The piping hot water does seem to create a stress response however. Perhaps more sugar and nutrients will offset this, but it does seem like a lower temperature bath + co2 is a better idea.
I also did some recovery breathing, and my spO2 got down to 92%.
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My capnometer was out of batteries so I couldn't test this measurement, but I plan too.
Also I have a laser temperature measuring device I got off ebay cheaply - so I plan to follow the temperature of the water more closely in the future. This bath wasn't as hot as my last one and that reflects in the lower CP and BPM initially.
I plan to buy big bags of citric acid and baking soda, load up 1.5 cups of each in a hot bath 3x a week for a month and see if this has any effect on raising my CP which seems to be stuck at 10-15 seconds.
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If this doesn't work, I'll try bicarbonate (it will probably have more of an effect of raising my pH) by itself maybe at 4 cups a bath in order to raise my CP (I can't stand swallowing the stuff) - as dr. sircus says baking soda by itself is less absorbable. But it has been observed by Tara (Bag breathing vs. baking soda?) that baking soda by itself tends to raise pH, while co2 / co2 breathing seems to lower pH.
Because my CP is low (which I currently theorise is because I have a lower Ph in my blood - which I am interested to raise it and see the effects), and because it seems to be the easiest and most cost effective method, I've decided to try bicarbonate and citric acid baths. One type of baking soda / cirtic acid bath is the common "bath bomb" or "bath fizzer" that you may already know of. Basically, the two interact when mixed with water and give off CO2.
The idea is that because of the nature of CO2, it is heavier than water, and so stays in the water, clings to your body, and absorbs through your skin.
People have also done plain baking soda baths, but according to this source, you need to use a lot more baking soda by itself because its not as readily absorbable comparatively to the CO2: CO2 Medicine & Bath Bombing Your Way to Health
Dr Sircus seems to have varying ideas to Peat. He emphasises high PH to kill cancer, and he loves his bicarbonates. And also seems to be a huge fan of magnesium and selenium.
It seems carbon dioxide bathing has been used for a long time to treat a variety of conditions which you can read here; http://www.centro-lavalle.com/edu/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Carbon_Dioxide_Bath.pdf
Of interest in this article is the temperature of the water.
Fig 1 shows that at 37c, normal water will not make your skin flush, however if it is infused wit the slightest amount of co2 it will make your skin flush.
It also shows that at a lower temperature such as 22c, you can still get significant flushing of the skin if CO2 concentrations are high enough.
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My experiment:
First I ran a hot bath and these were my results;
spO2 - 96% / 75 BPM
CP: 15sec
Then I added two bath bombs (generic purchase from a store) and waited 15 minutes;
spO2 - 96% / 70 BPM
CP: 17 sec
Conclusion:
I suspect there was not enough bicarb and citric acid for a significant effect.
However there does seem to be an increase in CP and a lowering of BPM which is in line with the supposed effects of CO2.
This could be good for people who have heart problems, as a hot bath can raise the heart rate too high. One of the links above mentioned that you can have a lower temperature bath using CO2 water, even though the water feels warmer (an effect of the CO2). If you want to go hard then you can go piping hot water + CO2.
The piping hot water does seem to create a stress response however. Perhaps more sugar and nutrients will offset this, but it does seem like a lower temperature bath + co2 is a better idea.
I also did some recovery breathing, and my spO2 got down to 92%.
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My capnometer was out of batteries so I couldn't test this measurement, but I plan too.
Also I have a laser temperature measuring device I got off ebay cheaply - so I plan to follow the temperature of the water more closely in the future. This bath wasn't as hot as my last one and that reflects in the lower CP and BPM initially.
I plan to buy big bags of citric acid and baking soda, load up 1.5 cups of each in a hot bath 3x a week for a month and see if this has any effect on raising my CP which seems to be stuck at 10-15 seconds.
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If this doesn't work, I'll try bicarbonate (it will probably have more of an effect of raising my pH) by itself maybe at 4 cups a bath in order to raise my CP (I can't stand swallowing the stuff) - as dr. sircus says baking soda by itself is less absorbable. But it has been observed by Tara (Bag breathing vs. baking soda?) that baking soda by itself tends to raise pH, while co2 / co2 breathing seems to lower pH.
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