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I'm gonna be honest with you, I read that whole page and I've read similar before. It always sounds kinda good, but it never adds up for me; i cant relate though i try.YuraCZ said:post 106810Yes Peat friendly foods a VERY high in copper. So again as I can see you don't get it at all.. It is not about getting enough copper in the diet. It is about BIOAVAILABILITY of copper. If you are under stress with impaired liver, adrenals, thyroid function. Copper become biounavailable due to lack of transport proteins such as ceruloplasmin, so this unbound biounavailable copper will build up in the tissue(which is damaging as f***) and you will be experiencing copper deficiency symptomes. :!:NathanK said:post 106686 Count me in. I've noticed a few gray hairs this year. My iron, ferritin, and hemoglobin is a little high so that probably isn't helping. IIR, Josh Rubin had an anemia video and mentioned lowering Fe with copper.
Funny, I always assumed a Peaty diet was a higher copper one with OJ and shellfish and such. I eat about 3/4lb of shrimp most weeks and in the other weeks a tin of oysters or clams. Maybe that occasional zinc support is throwing me out of balance.
Thanks for all the resources to read in this thread!
I've always hated liver. I assume it's my taste buds telling me I don't need more iron. Liver always tastes like blood or metallic-y to me.YuraCZ said:post 78315 How can anyone dislike liver? The most nutritious food on the earth! And so cheap!! I wish I could eat a pound of liver every day.
http://www.tvernonlac.com/copper-toxicity.html
Yeah, I think Ray said that taurine doesn't increase copper but allows your body to use it more efficiently.sunflower1 said:post 108061 As far as I understand, you need Vitamin A retinol, Vit C, B multi Vits and Taurine along with brewers yeast to get copper to bind to ceruloplasm.
interesting, i never heard about taurine from Ray.just mentioned about it on his website once.please tell me if you remember where he talked about it.NathanK said:post 109352 Yeah, I think Ray said that taurine doesn't increase copper but allows your body to use it more efficiently.
Hm, I may have been quoting someone who asked him. I can't find it exactly, but it's in my notes as such. Here's a post with studies that is the closest I've found on the subject: https://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/view ... 522#p78427paymanz said:post 109356interesting, i never heard about taurine from Ray.just mentioned about it on his website once.please tell me if you remember where he talked about it.NathanK said:post 109352 Yeah, I think Ray said that taurine doesn't increase copper but allows your body to use it more efficiently.
About a year ago I've taken 20 mg of copper sulfate pentyhydrate (5mg of actual copper) for a month, it didn't turn my prematurely gray hair (I have a lot of gray hair on my beard) back to red/brown/black/blond. I didn't feel a difference. But my nutrition at that time wasn't as good as it's now, and I didn't feel then as good as I feel now.
nice atlee - @haidut now after those experiments with copper , how much copper a day is optimal you think?
I think Peat suggests eating the liquid from cooking mushrooms too, because quite a bit of the nutrition ends up in the water?@haidut, do you think if you boil mushrooms for 3 hours to deactivate posinous compounds as Peat suggests can leave most of the copper in the boiling water thus losing it ?
Thanks tara! That makes sense... I hope there's not other toxins in the liquid.I think Peat suggests eating the liquid from cooking mushrooms too, because quite a bit of the nutrition ends up in the water?
Best source of copper by far is beef liver. Beef liver has cofactors mainly vitamin A, zinc, B vitamins etc.. They are important for ceruloplasmin. Without ceruloplasmin copper will be stored in the liver and become bio unavailable.. Chocolate hasn't none of that.. Everybody listen great info.. start about copper 34:00Isn't chocolate an even easier way to get copper? And unlike liver and shellfish, good quality should be available to nearly everyone. Not saying it is a replacement for those foods, but it may be more reliable than mushrooms, and safer than supplements.
Yes serum ceruloplasmin. Low ceruloplasmin= low usable copper... Serum copper is misleading. So only ceruloplasmin status can say something. Besides that only liver biopsy can show low copper stored in the liver or high copper in the liver.I am using copper gluconate/citrate 2mg
There is also magnesium steareare in it. Any thoughts friends?
Is there a legit copper lab test that makes sense?
Thank you guys! Just love this place.