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Chandler: In the rice it's in the brown rice, the outside, the husk. The story - this is Dr. Londsdale's part because he's historically been involved with this - is that the Japanese, when they began polishing the rice is when they began seeing the thiamine deficiency. Of course they did not know what it was at that point but they realized at some point later that they needed the meats, they needed the different nutrients. They needed additional foods to get thiamine. They couldn't just eat white rice. One of the things I will say as an aside, as an athlete and as a lifter and cross-fit and all of that, one of the key foods these days that all of the athletes just absolutely love is white rice. They live on white rice and I cringe every time because they have these high carbohydrate pre-workout drinks that are basically caffeine and sugar and then they'll have a protein and white rice. It's just a mess.
Elliot: So essentially when we're removing that husk, we're taking out the micronutrients but we're keeping the macronutrients.
Chandler: Yes. And we're making it pretty and easier to digest so to speak, because it is quicker to some extent. But we've derailed our metabolism in the long run.
Elliot: Okay, so what happens when this goes on for too long? For instance, if thiamine is so important and people are low for whatever reason in our modern world, because we have this chronic influx of sugar, refined carbohydrates, refined grains, all of these things, how can this manifest in the human body? What kind of things might you see?
Elliot: That brings me on to the next question actually. So from what I gather, eating a diet high in sugar is probably not a good idea.
Chandler: No.
Yeh I have read that many times about coffee cancelling out thiamine.She don’t like coffee though because it cancels out thiamine supposedly.....
Make sure she understands that.
Dr. Londales blog is gold. I just found it and I will be there a while soaking up info. lolYea as the interview progresses she says a healthy diet is high in protein, fat and vegetables. Fruits not so much. Not my cup a...Either way, I’m more interested to hear what she has to say about the vitamin than her dietary choices. She don’t like coffee though because it cancels out thiamine supposedly.....
We have known for many years that sugar in all its different forms can and will precipitate mild thiamine deficiency. It is probably the reason why sugar is considered to be a frequent cause of trouble. If thiamine deficiency is mild, any form of minor stress may precipitate a much more serious form of the deficiency.
Beef is actually a poor source of B1. Which makes me wonder about Grant Genereux and his thiamin depletion diet of white rice and beef. He should be deficient unless he takes a supplement or the rice he eats has a lot of added B1. If he gets his thiamin from rice it would mean that food fortification is effective and thiamin or niacin deficiency shouldn't really be an issue in countries such as the US and Canada.1L of orange juice gives 75% of daily requirement of B1.
Plus, milk, cheese, potatoes, lean beef, egg, liver are all decent sources too.
Beef is actually a poor source of B1. Which makes me wonder about Grant Genereux and his thiamin depletion diet of white rice and beef. He should be deficient unless he takes a supplement or the rice he eats has a lot of added B1. If he gets his thiamin from rice it would mean that food fortification is effective and thiamin or niacin deficiency shouldn't really be an issue in countries such as the US and Canada.
Ray Peat has said unphysiological doses are sometimes needed to overcome deficiencies and such. Then if your transport system is broken that your body cannot carry B1 into the cells, well then regular ole Thiamine aint gonna do much.1L of orange juice gives 75% of daily requirement of B1.
I read an account of an Asian family who switched from white rice to brown rice and it was the only change that was made and the grandmothers hair turned from gray back to the natural color.Starting eating brown rice daily about six months ago for manganese, didn't even know about the B1. But it sure gave me a lot more energy. Thanks for the video.
However I still got hit with endotoxin side effects so had to drop it.
So if white rice stops you solid, indicative of B1 deficiency? I think so.