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Brian said:I also didn't do well on fructose intake until I addressed my liver function. It really does seem to be an important key for thriving on fructose, especially after eating a low carb diet for a few years or a period of high stress/under-eating.
Skally said:post 99362Brian said:I also didn't do well on fructose intake until I addressed my liver function. It really does seem to be an important key for thriving on fructose, especially after eating a low carb diet for a few years or a period of high stress/under-eating.
How exactly did you address your liver function?
Brian said:post 99364Skally said:post 99362Brian said:I also didn't do well on fructose intake until I addressed my liver function. It really does seem to be an important key for thriving on fructose, especially after eating a low carb diet for a few years or a period of high stress/under-eating.
How exactly did you address your liver function?
I basically just followed Haidut's recommendations: working up to high dose caffeine, K2, B1, Methylene blue for a few weeks. I also ate a low fructose/high starch/lower fat diet while trying to work on my liver, in order to give minimal amount of substances that it would need to process.
So how look your macros and what foods you eat? I need recover my liver and detox pufa/estrogen from the tissue as well. So I try to eat only very easy digestible foods and also low fructose/fat.. So jasmine rice, buckwheat, carrot, collagen, whey protein powder, some coconut oil or butter, once a day some meat, once a week beef liver.. And now I will add homemade kefir again. For me extremely easy to digest( no lactose, pre digested casein) and important source of all vitamins, calcium..Brian said:post 99364Skally said:post 99362Brian said:I also didn't do well on fructose intake until I addressed my liver function. It really does seem to be an important key for thriving on fructose, especially after eating a low carb diet for a few years or a period of high stress/under-eating.
How exactly did you address your liver function?
I basically just followed Haidut's recommendations: working up to high dose caffeine, K2, B1, Methylene blue for a few weeks. I also ate a low fructose/high starch/lower fat diet while trying to work on my liver, in order to give minimal amount of substances that it would need to process.
Brian said:post 99351 It's not surprising that the average person sees a decrease in health markers with a higher intake of fructose, when their diet may be simultaneously high in PUFA or already have impaired liver function from fatty liver in combination with a chronic low B1, potassium and magnesium intake.
I also didn't do well on fructose intake until I addressed my liver function. It really does seem to be an important key for thriving on fructose, especially after eating a low carb diet for a few years or a period of high stress/under-eating.
James IV said:post 99460Brian said:post 99351 It's not surprising that the average person sees a decrease in health markers with a higher intake of fructose, when their diet may be simultaneously high in PUFA or already have impaired liver function from fatty liver in combination with a chronic low B1, potassium and magnesium intake.
I also didn't do well on fructose intake until I addressed my liver function. It really does seem to be an important key for thriving on fructose, especially after eating a low carb diet for a few years or a period of high stress/under-eating.
This.
I think many people on this forum would see instant results by taking in more easy to utilize glucose to displace fructose, especially coming from a low carb background. Fructose is fine, but about half of it is converted to glucose in the liver. So if your liver is sluggish, you are getting a double whammy of insufficient glucose (from lack of conversion) as well as free fructose feeding bacteria and dehydrating the colon.
Here is the actual study and the clinical trial.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/early/2 ... 6.abstract
Glycemic Effects of Honey - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov
I think the articles from WP is misleading. The actual study said that the all sugars tested - sugar, honey, HFCS - increased inflammatory markers ONLY in the insulin resistant group (IGT). So, not sure how honey is the bad boy here. The only thing that can be concluded is that insulin resistant people do not respond well to sugars - something which is well known and expected. I think Ray needs to focus some of his writing more on how to reverse insulin resistance and this discussion needs to go beyond the Randle cycle and how fat makes you insulin resistant and sugar does not.
Btw, the study did find a positive effect of all sugars - i.e. systolic blood pressure decreased, which is probably due to the anti-stress effects of the sugars.
"...Systolic BP was unchanged, whereas diastolic BP was significantly lower in response to sugar intake across all treatments. An increase in high-sensitivity C-reactive protein (hsCRP) was observed in the IGT group in response to all sugars. No treatment effect was observed for interleukin 6. HDL cholesterol did not differ as a result of status or treatment. Triglyceride (TG) concentrations increased significantly from pre- to post-treatment in response to all sugars tested. "
Does this mean that I should NOT be eating a Ray Peat diet until my Insulin Resistance is fixed? That is, cut down on all the sugars?
@haidut
So IYO, what are some bullet points about the best way to mitigate insulin resistance?
BTW for some reason unknown to me, I notice that Starbucks mocha drinks (in the small bottles) seem to be of particular benefit for me above and beyond any similar coffee drink homebrew or otherwise (I have no vested interest). Beyond the usual ingredients, citric acid and pectin are the only others included that I recall. BEWARE the same quart sized product in the grocery refrigerator aisle which contains carageenan.