New To Peat: Weightlifting?

[Cirion]

Are weight lifting boners necessarily akin to high T though? And does nofap appear to increase T? Nofap should lower prolactin, increasing dopamine, but it hasn't proven to have a long-term T boosting effect. Also, the erections may be from nitric oxide more than T. There are threads which examine the relationship between libido and estrogen, you may enjoy them

I'm the wrong person to ask behind the mechanisms which make nofap effective. You're right, it's probably not just T - but also other things like dopamine, estrogen, prolactin, etc. When I say "increases T" it's more of a blanket statement to say it seems to improve overall hormonal health, mood, etc. I always feel my best when my libido is highest too - so for me, the two are inter-related and thus if one goes up, the other almost always goes up as well, so it's an easy marker for me to gauge my current health levels.

Yes, essentially you have to be intelligent about your training, however there isn't much material out there that is any use other than this forum for being fit in both a muscular sense and endocrine sense. Welcome btw!

Thanks, I just now realized there is a new member forum lol, so I never got around to posting there. I'm a very driven person when it comes to my goals. I've seen a few success stories around here, so I'm confident it can be done. If (when?!) I reach my goals I'll be sure to write about it and how I did it. My current goal is as follows:

PUFA / body fat depletion while eating Peat style

Read somewhere that some guy followed Peat style eating with basically ZERO fat, super high sugar/carb, moderate protein, and lost 45 lb in 4 months (so he managed a PUFA depletion in a mere 4 months!!)

So that means I'm probably gonna axe the cheese, and the 2% milk as well. Even those introduce too much fat. Lean meats & gelatin probably will be my go-tos for no-fat protein sources. Will continue fruits etc for sugar. Maybe a few starches here and there, but mostly sugar.

I may try Haidut's Protein concoction. 20g whey (without tryptophan), 30g gelatin, 20g casein. He did that twice a day for all his protein. It was part of his protocol to get a huge amount of T, so it seemed to work for him. He did that in the morning and evening. I guess the rest of the day, just sugar, sugar, and more sugar lol.

 

[Steene]

TL;DR - what should my weightlifting routine look like when trying to heal my endocrine system?

I remember reading here from another forum member that if you are not feeling an increased sexual appetite after a workout, then it's a waste of your time because it's not increasing your T (which is the whole point of working out - improve your endocrine system).

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You will get told a lot of nonsense in bodybuilding forums. The testosterone surges during and shortly after a work out a very short-lived and is only an adaptive response to muscle use in order to prevent further breakdown which comes from cortisone surges. When you train too long too intense and too often you increase your cortisone and prolactine. Shortly after your estrogen peaks and you get horny like a teenager. Getting random boners is no sign of good health in contrast to nocturnal/morning woods. Increasing your protein turnover in your muscles is the main goal of strength training which doesn't come from that little increase in testosterone after/during a workout.

 

[Cirion]

You will get told a lot of nonsense in bodybuilding forums. The testosterone surges during and shortly after a work out a very short-lived and is only an adaptive response to muscle use in order to prevent further breakdown which comes from cortisone surges. When you train too long too intense and too often you increase your cortisone and prolactine. Shortly after your estrogen peaks and you get horny like a teenager. Getting random boners is no sign of good health in contrast to nocturnal/morning woods. Increasing your protein turnover in your muscles is the main goal of strength training which doesn't come from that little increase in testosterone after/during a workout.

Oh, I'm basing everything off of personal experience pretty much. Agreed, bodybuilding forums often have lots of bro-science and nonsense. I like to stick with what I have experienced for myself. I agree, the response from a workout is temporary. All I'm saying is, my response from the workout generally is an indicator of my current health, that's all. For me there is a strong correlation between hormone response after a workout, and things that you mentioned such as nocturnal/morning woods. If I'm getting it after the workout, I usually am going to be getting it that evening as well. I do not get a positive response after a workout that is too intense though. I always get fatigued and a non-existent libido instead. So I would have to respectfully disagree with random boners vs. nocturnal/morning woods because for me at least, the two are correlated. When I'm at my healthiest I get it literally all throughout the day (including night/morning). That's just my personal experience though. Also, they're more intense as well. So increased frequency & increased intensity as well. You are right though that the small boosts you may get right after a workout are not what give you muscle gains. I instead, like I say, just use that as a general marker of current endocrine system health, and if the overall system is humming along, then that's what is going to give you the gains.

 

[Steene]

This actually happened just a couple weeks ago. I had just taken a full week off of the gym, and was doing high calories the whole week I took off (4000 calories most days). The diet was very high fat, moderate carb, moderate protein (something like 250g fat, 200-250g protein, 150-250g carb if I recall right). I was getting as much sleep as I could, and had some caffeine but not a lot (100-200 mg caffeine a day or so). Another secret is nofap, I firmly believe this is one of the keys to a super healthy endocrine system. I feel so much better on nofap. I actually had a stint of nofap I did a couple years back, where the libido was even higher than this - that I so wish I could recreate. My sex drive was so high, that I'd get very close to orgams with literally zero stimulation (like just sitting the car driving somewhere). I'm telling ya, if you haven't experienced this before, which it sounds like you haven't... it's totally out of this world and AMAZING. 99% of guys are missing out by never experiencing what high T feels like. Plus my confidence and such was out of this freaking world.

This is part of what brought me to Peat this past week or so. I want to be able to maintain this feeling.

Cutting masturbation, orgasming too often, etc should be the main goal for every man who is really serious about his health, everything else is just complimentary. NoFap is about regaining androgen sensitivity, lowering prolactine and the conclusion of that is then lowering estrogens and increasing dopamine. There is a strong interaction of a healthy dopamine system and androgenic system in your brain (positive feedback loop). With the increased androgen sensitivity one needs way less testosterone and DHT to have stronger effects. Receptors are severely neglected on this site for some silly reason.

The whole hype about NoFap is mostly about regaining dopamine receptor density and decreasing delta FOSb activity, which is only partly right.

 

[Tenacity]

Receptors are severely neglected on this site for some silly reason.

Possibly because Peat doesn't think they exist.

 

[Wagner83]

Possibly because Peat doesn't think they exist.

Or that they behave depending on the status of the cell, as one of the quote at the top of these forums pages often state.

 

[Sobieski]

I'm the wrong person to ask behind the mechanisms which make nofap effective. You're right, it's probably not just T - but also other things like dopamine, estrogen, prolactin, etc. When I say "increases T" it's more of a blanket statement to say it seems to improve overall hormonal health, mood, etc. I always feel my best when my libido is highest too - so for me, the two are inter-related and thus if one goes up, the other almost always goes up as well, so it's an easy marker for me to gauge my current health levels.



Thanks, I just now realized there is a new member forum lol, so I never got around to posting there. I'm a very driven person when it comes to my goals. I've seen a few success stories around here, so I'm confident it can be done. If (when?!) I reach my goals I'll be sure to write about it and how I did it. My current goal is as follows:

PUFA / body fat depletion while eating Peat style

Read somewhere that some guy followed Peat style eating with basically ZERO fat, super high sugar/carb, moderate protein, and lost 45 lb in 4 months (so he managed a PUFA depletion in a mere 4 months!!)

So that means I'm probably gonna axe the cheese, and the 2% milk as well. Even those introduce too much fat. Lean meats & gelatin probably will be my go-tos for no-fat protein sources. Will continue fruits etc for sugar. Maybe a few starches here and there, but mostly sugar.

I may try Haidut's Protein concoction. 20g whey (without tryptophan), 30g gelatin, 20g casein. He did that twice a day for all his protein. It was part of his protocol to get a huge amount of T, so it seemed to work for him. He did that in the morning and evening. I guess the rest of the day, just sugar, sugar, and more sugar lol.

Well I wish you success on your path. Most people find that progress is two steps forward, one back, just stick at it. Dropping pufa intake alone is a large enough catalyst for increased T (imho). Best of Luck!

 

[2thecloudsabove]

Cutting masturbation, orgasming too often, etc should be the main goal for every man who is really serious about his health, everything else is just complimentary.

You couldn't be more wrong. Lots of sex, or masturbation in absence of a partner, is the normal consequence of a strong and healthy metabolism. What you suggest is what an ill person or with a subpar health should have to do until health is restored, since health is the fundamental of everything, and reproduction requires energy that he doesn't have and he should prioritize for healing first.

Some people (usually people with an already health imbalance, like the nofap comunity) think that lots of sex OR masturbation will led to inminent exhaustion and an incoming health decline ALWAYS. And they put everyone on the same boat; or they confuse too much masturbation driven by biological needs when your health is perfect and so your libido stays high, with those which use masturbation to mask a deeper problem, any type of emotional disorder or hidden emptyness, and get trapped into addiction. That scenario may become a real problem, not because masturnation, but mastubation just acts as a catalizer. Now, think of a healthy teenager who is always thinking of sex and masturbation... not because he'll look for comfort for other problems , but because his libido is through the roof. Its something biologically natural and its not deleterious while you'll keep health.

 

[Steene]

You couldn't be more wrong. Lots of sex, or masturbation in absence of a partner, is the normal consequence of a strong and healthy metabolism. What you suggest is what an ill person or with a subpar health should have to do until health is restored, since health is the fundamental of everything, and reproduction requires energy that he doesn't have and he should prioritize for healing first.

People tends to think that lots of sex OR masturbation will led to inminent exhaustion and incoming health decline. And confuse too much masturbation because biological needs when your health is perfect and so your libido stays high, with those which use masturbation to mask a deeper problem, any type of emotional or hidden emptyness, and get trapped on addiction. That scenario may become a real problem, not because masturnation, but mastubation just acts as a catalizer. Now think of a healthy teenager who is always thinking of sex and masturbation... not because he'll look for comfort for other problems , but because his libido is through the roof. Its something biologically natural and its not deleterious while you'll keep health.

I know both sides and I speak of experience than solely on hypothesis like yours.

 

[2thecloudsabove]

I know both sides and I speak of experience than solely on hypothesis like yours.

Mmm.. I think you didn't understand what I meant, or maybe its me who didn't express yself right.

 

[Cirion]

What it sounds like you're trying to say is that nofap is not the only thing that should be pursued, and that if masturbation/sex makes you really tired after, that you probably have some other health problems going on which should be pursued. Am interpreting you correctly?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that. That being said, if it IS making you tired/depressed after you should definitely not do it, or limit it at least. Not necessarily because it's the "cure" to that problem, but it certainly helps, and why do what makes you feel bad?

This is in fact what I'm doing. I realize I have some health issues currently. However, nofap is a great thing to do WHILE also pursuing other avenues of health, to feel better. It's not the one and only thing you should do, I totally agree. Plus, even in a healthy individual, you can still overdo it with masturbation/sex probably. Though it may be harder to do so. Some people, like myself, are prone to addiction so for me, it's either abstain entirely or go crazy with it - no real in between lol. Also, I would argue that the healthy individual would also benefit from nofap - albeit, less so than the not so healthy person. I still say anyone, healthy or not, should avoid masturbation and stick to sex with a real partner - that's more fun, meaningful, and at least has some hormonal benefit to it alongside the prolactin increase whereas masturbation has little to none, especially when you consider what porn can do to your brain psychologically as well. Sex is more awesome if you're on nofap too! Your girlfriend/wife will definitely appreciate it. My ex-girlfriend definitely did!

I think alot of people are not able to do nofap and thus don't like it. That's fine, totally up to you at the end of the day. Me, I like the benefits so I do it. Simple as that. Not everyone has the self control to do it, for sure. I'll probably still do it, even after I fix my metabolism. To each their own though. No doubt, once metabolism is fixed, the perceived benefit will be reduced, but I know it'll still be helpful to me.

As a side note - OMG... do not eat a lot of pineapple in a day. I made the mistake of making pineapple my main carb source today, and the bromelain burn is real... lol

 

[2thecloudsabove]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that. That being said, if it IS making you tired/depressed after you should definitely not do it, or limit it at least. Not necessarily because it's the "cure" to that problem, but it certainly helps, and why do what makes you feel bad?

Yes, exactly. That's pure common sense, isn't it? What I disagree is with the generalized idea, like a rule, that masturbation (or what we think of "too much" masturbation) will always, unequivocally, cause problems or psychological imbalance. Thats very wrong, and I follow to myself at looking at any 20 year old male. And I MEAN when due to biological urges, not as an incessant premeditated way to breaking free.

The "nofap" comunity have made from a reasonable tool to restore health/balance, an institutionalized dogma for everyone. I guess they'll feel better thinking that way, making their particular journey easier.

 

[Glassy]

I’ve found that my desires have changed somewhat since peating and fapping has just stopped. I do like the feeling of the build up and completely draining the tank feels counterproductive now.

On the lifting front I’ve been dialing my frequency back a lot. I’ve been running a 4 day program over roughly 2 weeks lately (I was running 4 days per week for 8 months). I’ve experienced no drop in strength and my lifts are still progressing (particularly my squat which had some form issues and was being held back by knee pain - go gelatine!). Last week I only worked out once - this wasn’t planned I just lacked motivation and a suitable time.

My sessions probably go too long because I tend to take too long between sets. I used to be able to get them done in just over an hour but now they’re closer to 2 hrs now. I run a modified nsuns routine which has 9 sets for the main lift with 2 or 3 of these sets going close to failure. I like lifting heavy a few sets each workout and I’m not sure if my new relaxed attitude is great for my progression. I’m happy enough to let things chill for a bit while my strength is not suffering (the DOMS kinda suck though).

My body weight has started moving up again after the initial jump when I started peating and a month of stabilisation. Sadly a lot of this seems to be fat but I’m sure there’s been some muscle accumulation as well. I presume that most of the fat gained is saturated though and it shouldn’t be too hard to drop again later. There are quite a few lifters here but health tends to take priority over aesthetics and strength gains.

 

[Luckytype]

Checking in to live vicariously through the guys who currently feel decent

 

[Vinero]

Yes, exactly. That's pure common sense, isn't it? What I disagree is with the generalized idea, like a rule, that masturbation (or what we think of "too much" masturbation) will always, unequivocally, cause problems or psychological imbalance. Thats very wrong, and I follow to myself at looking at any 20 year old male. And I MEAN when due to biological urges, not as an incessant premeditated way to breaking free.

The "nofap" comunity have made from a reasonable tool to restore health/balance, an institutionalized dogma for everyone. I guess they'll feel better thinking that way, making their particular journey easier.

+1
What a miserable life it must be to be a nofapper. It's the same mentality as dieting, or cutting out food groups that your body craves.

 

[Luckytype]

I think the big thing with nofap is the availability of it. Obviously parts of this are societal, but I can recall years earlier where I was super busy with everything, probably considerably healthier and I just didnt have time to beat off all over the place.

Only early in my twenties would I fap but even then I was chasing women, having the time of my life. It was if life and everything healthy created this excess of energy. But when I would fap I would be using my own highlight reel, not porn.

So theres definitey IMHO the choice to be busy, be distracted and have other stuff take up your time OR you can be connected to a computer/device and "oh oops look a new tab i can open lemme just see/have a fap session"

Big difference.

 

[2thecloudsabove]

I agree today's porn and availability may be problematic for some who can't manage its abundance and easy of access. Like sugary industrial foods, snacks... long supermarket corridors full of engineered tasty foods, shinning products of all colours and sizes. For those prone to overuse, constantly seeking for dopaminergic bursts, it will facilitate the addiction (which is what industry aims for, btw), and not because just true hunger urges for energy intake from a good working metabolism.

If you rely for masturbating on an ever increasing bizarreness of the internet porn sites, then maybe implies your not doing it due to the top healthy hormonal profile I was meaning earlier, but rather for a vice looking behavior and dependance.

 

[Andman]

I think the big thing with nofap is the availability of it. Obviously parts of this are societal, but I can recall years earlier where I was super busy with everything, probably considerably healthier and I just didnt have time to beat off all over the place.

Only early in my twenties would I fap but even then I was chasing women, having the time of my life. It was if life and everything healthy created this excess of energy. But when I would fap I would be using my own highlight reel, not porn.

So theres definitey IMHO the choice to be busy, be distracted and have other stuff take up your time OR you can be connected to a computer/device and "oh oops look a new tab i can open lemme just see/have a fap session"

Big difference.

Agreed, same can be said for any distraction id say. For me its mostly the internet these days - available everywhere, endless content etc.

Also seen your post above, not doing so well right now?

 

[Luckytype]

Agreed, same can be said for any distraction id say. For me its mostly the internet these days - available everywhere, endless content etc.

Also seen your post above, not doing so well right now?

To add to this - if you zoom out and look at connectivity as a whole, there is a relationship between people craving various feedback, acceptance and approval on social media sites which has to play a part in dopamine receptors and that entire feedback loop. I can't believe it it's just coincidental that these two things exist concurrently.



..and yea, honestly ive been feeling like im JUST on the cusp of feeling better(low thyroid, higher prolactin, energy in the dumps, low temps, cold etc etc. ya know) it just never breaks. Its been that positive outlook with no change for months now.

Hopeful to start titrating some thyroid to break the cycle. Ive been super adherent to everything with no resolve. Im truly looking forward to feeling human again.

 

[Ulysses]

Lol, another fruitless nofap debate.

OP, I hope you’re wearing a jockstrap when you lift. I wasn’t when I lifted in my early 20s, and ended up with varicocele. Trust me, you don’t want that.