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Do you think Losartan is superior for achieving this than Telmisartan? Dr Peat seems to mention Losartan more than Telmisartan.I think two important methods as prevention / treatment against covid is to block the `virus` from attaching to ACE2 and to reduce the the angiotensin II type 1 receptor (AT1 receptor) in preventing the `virus` from entering the cell.
The most common complication leading to the CoV-induced mortality can be justified through ACE-AngII-AT1-Spike protein overactivation caused by virus / toxin / drugs / nocebo effect induced by media.
The spikes protein have high affinity to ACE2, uses ACE2 to enter a cell.
It is suggested that this “occupation” of the virus of ACE2 might reduce the ability of Ang II to bind to ACE2.
Accumulated Ang II result in an increased activation of AT1.
Activation of AT1 results in vasoconstriction, increased pro-inflammatory response.
If we don-t die from covid plandemic, we have a chance by blocking AT1, to become younger and healthier :).
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Ray:
The virus uses ACE2 (angiotensin converting enzyme 2) as receptor and enters cells by the angiotensin receptor. Losartan (recommended in China), an angiotensin blocker, is effective protection, and has many other antiinflammatory effects. The Chinese also have good results with cinanserin, a serotonin blocker. I think cyproheptadine might help, too. Progesterone lowers the angiotensin receptor, but doesn’t act immediately as losartan does.
...the angiotensin converting enzyme is one of the early parts of our immune system that sets up an inflammatory reaction that will set in action a whole chain of events, if the pathogen gets trough and is actually a treat, then you activate this proteolytic protein that create angiotensin witch is like a transmitter of a panic reaction to the organism, and it happens this coronavirus is able to bind to one of this angiotensin converting enzymes, there is one with is only pro-inflammatory and the other one that backs that up, which undoes, inhibits the inflammatory damage done by the first angiotensin producing enzyme, this is called ACE2, and ACE2 happens to be attacked by this particular virus witch binds to that enzyme, and that’s receptor its vulnerable point of organism as far this fire is concern, and binding to that ACE2 means that it leaves the ACE1 which produces angiotensin, it leaves that free to act, and ACE2 is capable in inactivating angiotensin breaking down to the first seven amino acids, they call it angiotensin 1-7, and this is a defensive anti-inflammatory peptide, so if your ACE2 is knocked out, angiotensin has a free range to cause damage, so the virus increases the inflammatory reaction by sticking to the defensive enzyme, and that enzyme combined with the virus, than acts to enter the cell by way of the angiotensin receptor which is called the AT1, that are two known receptors by which angiotensin can do damage. Angiotensin 1 is strictly an inflammation producing system, the angiotensin 2 produces somewhat defensive reactions, but it happens that the virus enzyme combination entering the cell by way of angiotensin receptor 1, AT1, and that turns on a whole range of destructive processes, nitric oxide, serotonin for example. And, so, just looking at the effects, its obvious you can defend by anything that defends you against nitric oxide and serotonin, so anti-inflammatory things are the known treatment for this kind of virus that Chinese for years have been using, cinanserin which is a serotonin blocker for other treatments, and they find that is helpful for people with the established respiratory corona infection, and losartan witch is high blood pressure drug is the most well-known blocker of angiotensin 1 receptor.. losartan is cheap and widely available. - Ray Peat
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The mechanistic overview of SARS-CoV-2 using angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 to enter the cell for replication: possible treatment options related to the renin–angiotensin system
Abstract
The SARS-CoV-2 pandemic is a healthcare crisis caused by insufficient knowledge applicable to effectively combat the virus. Therefore, different scientific discovery strategies need to be connected, to generate a rational treatment which can be made available as rapidly as possible. This relies on a solid theoretical understanding of the mechanisms of SARS-CoV-2 infection and host responses, which is coupled to the practical experience of clinicians that are treating patients. Because SARS-CoV-2 enters the cell by binding to angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), targeting ACE2 to prevent such binding seems an obvious strategy to combat infection. However, ACE2 performs its functions outside the cell and was found to enter the cell only by angiotensin II type 1 receptor (AT1R)-induced endocytosis, after which ACE2 is destroyed. This means that preventing uptake of ACE2 into the cell by blocking AT1R would be a more logical approach to limit entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the cell. Since ACE2 plays an important protective role in maintaining key biological processes, treatments should not disrupt the functional capacity of ACE2, to counterbalance the negative effects of the infection. Based on known mechanisms and knowledge of the characteristics of SARS-CoV we propose the hypothesis that the immune system facilitates SARS-CoV-2 replication which disrupts immune regulatory mechanisms. The proposed mechanism by which SARS-CoV-2 causes disease immediately suggests a possible treatment, since the AT1R is a key player in this whole process. AT1R antagonists appear to be the ideal candidate for the treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection. AT1R antagonists counterbalance the negative consequences of angiotesnin II and, in addition, they might even be involved in preventing the cellular uptake of the virus without interfering with ACE2 function. AT1R antagonists are widely available, cheap, and safe. Therefore, we propose to consider using AT1R antagonists in the treatment of SARS-CoV-2.
Conclusion
Because SARS-CoV-2 enters the cell bound to ACE2, which induces ACE2 deficiency at the cell membrane, AngII is persistently activated. Increased AngII induces activation of AT1R, causing more uptake of SARS-CoV-2 and increasing ACE2 deficiency, thus maintaining and exacerbating a non-specific immune response, consisting of cytokine-induced inflammation. This non-specific immune response is an attempt to reduce the viral load, while the specific immune response is mounted. Unrestrained AngII eventually causes death by respiratory distress induced by excessive inflammation and its deleterious effects on other organs. Therefore, SARS-CoV-2-induced mortality is promoted by three mechanisms: (i) increased AngII induces endocytosis of ACE2-bound SARS-CoV-2, leading to ACE2 deficiency and viral replication; (ii) ACE2 deficiency prevents the priming of an adaptive immune response by lack of NO; and (iii) Ang II induces an increase in viral load leading to an increased innate immune response and a further increase in AngII levels. Therefore, treatments should aim at preventing the AngII ‘storm’ in an early phase of the infection, restoring the modulation of NO, and preventing the entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the cell. All these mechanisms are targeted by AT1R antagonists. They may reduce morbid inflammatory distress and provide an environment to facilitate an effective, virus-specific adaptive immune response.
The mechanistic overview of SARS-CoV-2 using angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 to enter the cell for replication: possible treatment options related to the renin–angiotensin system
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[6]-gingerol: a novel AT₁ antagonist for the treatment of cardiovascular disease
Abstract
Considering the prevalence of cardiovascular disease in public health and the limited validated therapeutic options, this study aimed to find novel compounds targeting the angiotensin II type 1 receptor, accepted as a therapeutic target in cardiovascular disease. A small library consisting of 89 compounds from 39 Chinese herbs was profiled using a cell-based calcium mobilization assay which was developed and characterized for high-throughput screening. [6]-Gingerol derived from Zingiber officinale Roscoe (ginger) was identified as a novel angiotensin II type 1 receptor antagonist, with an IC50 value of 8.173 µM. The hit was further tested by a specificity assay indicating that it had no antagonistic effects on other evaluated GPCRs, such as endothelin receptors. The major ingredient of ginger, [6]-gingerol, could inhibit angiotensin II type 1 receptor activation, which partially clarified the mechanism of ginger regulating blood pressure and strengthening heart in the cardiovascular system.
[6]-gingerol: a novel AT₁ antagonist for the treatment of cardiovascular disease - PubMed
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Molecular docking study of potential phytochemicals and their effects on the complex of SARS-CoV2 spike protein and human ACE2
Hesperidin is a major flavonoid compound, present in orange and lemon fruits. 470–761 mg/L of Hesperidin is normally present in orange juice31. This phytochemical exhibit various medicinal properties. According to oral toxicity study of hesperidin, it can be concluded that this phytochemical can be safely used in herbal formulations with its LD50 value more than 2000 mg/kg31. This flavanone glycoside, has a long medicinal history in both Indian and Chinese herbal medications32. This phytochemical alone or in combination with other chemicals, is often used to treat various diseases.
Emodin is a polyphenol found in the roots, bark and leaves of several plants including aloe vera, cascara, rhubarb, senna etc. In traditional medicine, emodin has been used for cardiovascular diseases and osteoporosis. It has been suggested earlier that emodin can inhibit influenza A virus replication33 via several cell signaling pathways.
Chrysin a natural flavonoid, is commonly found in propolis and honey. As reported earlier, chrysin can act as an inhibitor during enterovirus 71 (EV71) growth and replication34. Similarly, Song et al.35described antiviral activity of chrysin against coxsackievirus B3 (CVB3).
Considering the results obtained from molecular docking studies, phytochemicals hesperidin, emodin and chrysin can be used for COVID-19 treatment, after in-silico mutagenesis study and experimental verification. These phytochemicals have shown comparable spike protein inhibiting efficacy as that of known inhibitors such as chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. From the molecular dynamics and QSAR study, it can be concluded that for ACE2 receptor protein, ligand binding activity of spike protein fragment, will be decreased noncompetitively by modulator hesperidin. So, this natural compound can show antiviral activity by destabilizing spike protein binding with human host ACE2 receptor. The modulation of hesperidin of ACE2 protein try to prevent its interaction with spike protein. It has been proved by a simple in silico experiment and the result of this experiment in shown in Supplementary Information S3.
Molecular docking study of potential phytochemicals and their effects on the complex of SARS-CoV2 spike protein and human ACE2
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Methylene Blue Inhibits the SARS-CoV-2 Spike–ACE2 Protein-Protein Interaction–a Mechanism that can Contribute to its Antiviral Activity Against COVID-19
As far as clinical applications, one promising indication comes from a report of a cohort of 2,500 French patients treated with MeBlu as part of their cancer care none of whom developed influenza like illness during the COVID-19 epidemics (Henry et al., 2020). MeBlu has also been explored in one Phase one clinical trial (NCT04370288) for treatment of critically ill COVID-19 patients in Iran as part of a three-drug last therapeutic option add-on cocktail (MeBlu 1 mg/kg, vitamin C 1500 mg/kg, and N-acetyl cysteine 2000 mg/kg) based on the hypothesis that this combination could rebalance NO, methemoglobin, and oxidative stress. Four of the five patients responded well to treatment (Alamdari et al., 2020).
In conclusion, screening of our organic dye-based library identified MeBlu as a low-micromolar inhibitor of the interaction between SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and its cognate receptor ACE2, a PPI that is the first critical step initiating the viral entry of this coronavirus. While MeBlu shows strong polypharmacology and might be a somewhat promiscuous PPI inhibitor, its ability to inhibit this PPI could contribute to the antiviral activity of MeBlu against SARS-CoV-2 even in the absence of light making this inexpensive and widely available drug potentially useful in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 as an oral or inhaled medication.
Methylene Blue Inhibits the SARS-CoV-2 Spike–ACE2 Protein-Protein Interaction–a Mechanism that can Contribute to its Antiviral Activity Against COVID-19
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Angiotensin II: A Key Player In Oxidative Stress Toxicity and Aging
We have previously referred to the impact of Ang II in ROS production. In fact, Ang II robustly stimulates the production of molecular oxygen species that trigger mitochondrial dysfunction and cellular injury (de Cavanagh et al, 2007; Wilson, 1990). Ang II via AT1 receptor stimulation can activate NAD(P)H oxidase to produce ROS, resulting in oxidative stress damage (Griendling et al, 1994). Harman has proposed that ROS are the most prominent molecular species involved in the aging process (Harman, 1956). According to his theory, ROS contribute significantly to various age-associated organ failures, including hypertension, cardiovascular diseases and renal damage (de Cavanagh et al, 2007). Hence, Ang II could be involved in organ senescence given its ability to mediate the release of oxidant species. Supporting this hypothesis, Ang II-induced ROS production via AT1 receptor promotes the onset of vascular senescence associated with functional and structural changes of blood vessels that contribute to age-related vascular diseases (Min et al, 2009). Interestingly, homozygous mice deficient for AT1A grow-up normally and outlive their wild-type littermates by 26% (Benigni et al, 2009). These AT1A−/− mice also develop fewer aortic atherosclerotic lesions and less cardiac injury during aging. Oxidative stress is reduced in cardiomyocytes, aortas and kidneys from mice lacking AT1A receptor with respect to aged wild-type mice and ultrastructural analysis of mitochondria in proximal renal tubular cells show that AT1A−/− mice have an increased number of mitochondria (Benigni et al, 2009). Extension of lifespan is associated with upregulation of pro-survival genes including nicotinamide phosphoribosyltransferase (Nampt) and Sirtuin 3 (Sirt3) (but not Sirtuin 1) in the kidney from these mice (Benigni et al, 2009). Importantly, candesartan prevents Ang II-induced Nampt and Sirt3 mRNA down-regulation in cultured tubular epithelial cells indicating a possible molecular link between Ang II, AT1A and these survival genes. The effects in longevity observed in AT1A-deficient mice are likely the consequence of reduced mitochondrial damage due to attenuation of oxidative stress and the increased expression of Nampt and Sirt3 survival genes (Fig 3). Our results shed light on early reports that showed favourable effects of chronic long-term Ang II inhibition by either ACEi or ARBs in protecting rats from the deleterious effects of aging on cardiovascular system and prolonging life span (Basso et al, 2007). Other studies implicate the AT1 receptors in ROS-induced damage and aging; old mice lacking AT1 receptors also do not develop age-related cerebral circulation damage caused by the accumulation of oxygen radicals (Modrick et al, 2009). The inhibition of RAS reverses age-related advanced myocardiac hypertrophy and fibrosis in aged spontaneously hypertensive rats, and the protective effect presumably involves the attenuation of Ang II-mediated oxidative stress, as documented by reduced expression of NAD(P)H oxidative components in the hearts of aged animals (Ito et al, 2007). Chronic treatment with ACEi or ARB reduces kidney damage associated with age, and the beneficial effect of RAS inhibition involves the preservation of renal mitochondria (Ferder et al, 2002). Enalapril and losartan treatments prevent the age-associated decline in the renal mitochondrial capacity for energy production and attenuate the age-associated increase in mitochondrial oxidant production (de Cavanagh et al, 2003). RAS inhibition exerts a similar protective effect in the liver from old rats through the maintenance of an adequate mitochondrial function due to enhanced expression of genes responsible for mitochondrial respiration and biogenesis (de Cavanagh et al, 2008).
Angiotensin II revisited: new roles in inflammation, immunology and aging
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Serum ACE levels have been found to be significantly elevated in AIDS patients, patients in the intermediate stage of HIV infection, and patients with Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia.
Thiamine attenuates hypertension and metabolic abnormalities in spontaneously hypertensive rats (SHRs). Thiamine repletion downregulates the expression of angiotensinogen (−80%), ACE (−77%), and angiotensin type 1 receptor (−72%) mRNAs in SHRs.34 These observations suggest that thiamine affects ACE activity in HIV-infected patients.
The role of thiamine in HIV infection
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Down-regulation of Angiotensin AT1 Receptor by Progesterone in Human Placenta
M K Kalenga et al. J Clin Endocrinol Metab.Mar 1996
Abstract
Regulation of the angiotensin AT1 receptor in human placenta is poorly understood. In this study, we analyzed the time course of angiotensin AT1 receptor expression, internalization, and recycling by human trophoblast cells. We also studied the effects of estradiol, progesterone, and chloroquine on regulation of the angiotensin AT1 receptor in 48-h cell culture. The angiotensin II receptor expression increased with the time of incubation, reaching a level at 48 h of culture that was about 120% above the initial value. A large majority of angiotensin II receptors was of the AT1 subtype, as it was completely inhibited by losartan (1 mumol/L). The internalization of [125]angiotensin II binding and the angiotensin AT1 receptor recycling were also time dependent, with t1/2 values of 12 and 21 min, respectively. In human trophoblast cells exposed to progesterone (10 mumol/L) for 48 h, angiotensin AT1 receptor density was decreased by 49%, whereas estradiol (10 mumol/L) or chloroquine (100 mumol/L) treatment was ineffective. In the freshly isolated trophoblast cells initially treated with unlabeled angiotensin II (200 nmol/L) for 30 min, chloroquine was shown to decrease angiotensin AT1 receptor recycling by 73%, whereas estradiol and progesterone had no effect. These findings indicate that progesterone induces a down-regulation of the angiotensin AT1 receptor in human placenta and that the recycling of this receptor can be delayed by chloroquine.
Down-regulation of angiotensin AT1 receptor by progesterone in human placenta - PubMed
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Angiotensin II via AT1 receptor accelerates arterial thrombosis in renovascular hypertensive rats
Abstract
Although there are some in vitro evidence that angiotensin II (Ang II) may promote thrombosis, there is still no data concerning effect of Ang II on arterial thrombus formation. In the present study we have investigated the influence of Ang II on electrically induced arterial thrombosis in a common carotid artery of renovascular hypertensive rats. Furthermore, we examined if Ang II effect is mediated via AT1 receptor. We measured some coagulation and fibrinolytic parameters at the same time. Since platelets play crucial role in the initiation of arterial thrombosis their contribution in the mode of Ang II action was also determined. Intravenous infusion of Ang II caused significant increase in arterial thrombus weight, which was reversed by losartan, selective AT1 receptor antagonist. The prothrombotic effect of Ang II was accompanied by increase in haemostatic and decrease in fibrinolytic potential of rat plasma. While number of data has clearly demonstrated that Ang II can augment human platelets aggregation, at least in rats, platelets were not involved in the mechanism of Ang II action. Our study shows that Ang II via AT1 receptor accelerates arterial thrombosis in renovascular hypertensive rat, therefore may be considered as a risk factor of myocardial infarction or stroke.
Angiotensin II via AT1 receptor accelerates arterial thrombosis in renovascular hypertensive rats - PubMed
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Nocebo Effect
The nocebo effect, the opposite of the placebo effect, is a negative reaction caused by a non-medicated control substance, such as a sugar pill. In the placebo effect, a patient experiences the benefits of a medicine under trial, without receiving the medicine. This is thought to be caused by the underlying belief of the patient that the treatment they are receiving will bring beneficial effects. The nocebo effect is similar, in that the patient’s expected outcomes can manifest real symptoms. Often, the nocebo effect is observed when patients are told potential side-effects of a drug, but are only given the placebo, or non-medicated treatment. If patients manifest the side-effects they were told about and never took the drug, this is a clear example of the nocebo effect.
The placebo and nocebo effect have similar causes. In both cases, the body is reacting to what the mind expects. While doctors and scientists first denied the mind’s ability to manifest symptoms or cures, the effect is well documented, as is its counterpart. Apparently, a patient’s expectations can be just as damaging as real chemicals which are introduced to the body. This has been documented in a number of clinical trials, and the nocebo effect itself can introduce a wide array of symptoms, or even increase the symptoms already present.
Nocebo Effect
Wrong, so very wrong.
"Study Intervention" refers to the vaccine itself, not the test subjects. It's spelled out clearly on Page 45-
That is clearly NOT the test subject. You also changed the text of 8.3.5.3. in regards to occupational exposure (page 69)-
That clearly says "study intervention," not "vaccine test subject." And I posted the definition of "Study Intervention" above.
That means unplanned direct contact with the investigational interventions (the vaccine), marketed products, placebo, or medical devices (say, a needle or syringe). Certainly NOT an unplanned handshake, or simply breathing the air of someone who walks by. No mention of "super spreaders."
It would also make sense why this would need to be reported.
Is this whole freakout related to the fact that people didn't actually look up the definition of "study intervention" in the document?
The document clearly says they collected evidence of environmental transmission.
The question is whether the document can be trusted.
If you go there, I can go with you.
However again, the text in the document itself could be read as it is suggested from the OP,
True. I can't argue, because formally study intervention means that and misrepresenting by the OP is definitely causing confusion and I'm amused he doesn't chime in to comment on his reasons.It actually can't. Section 8.3.5.3 was talking about unplanned contact with the "Study Intervention,"which means the vaccine or placebo. Like if a nurse got an accidental needle stick, or a vial broke and the liquid came into direct contact with the skin. The OP misquotes the document, and gives a different definition to "Study Intervention." It's a deliberate misrepresentation of what the Pfizer document clearly states.
Hi Canti, I finally got to read through the whole document. This is really concerning! But I wonder if this is ‘just some lawyer language’, so they include this to avert legal issues. Did Pfizer or other vaccine manufacturers add similar language for ‘normal’ vaccines, for example the yearly flu vaccines? It would be interesting to see if this statement of shedding and infecting other non-vaccinated is completely new and solely for the mRNA vaccines.A Quick search and you will fund it on their page. But i dont know about the interpretation. But clearly they count on people transmitting via breathing or skin contact.
You might also want to keep some Ivermectin on hand or even take it for prevention instead of HCQ. If you can't get a prescription you can use the tube paste found on Amazon and dose per weight. Research FLCCC protocol. and this.... https://ivmmeta.com/Here is what I'm doing for me and my loved ones to avoid risk until we know more about environmental transmission and/or more about what's in the vaccine. I am more worried about the vaccine than I ever was about the virus. New info may come in any time that will cancel that worry. But for now we know they don't use dead virus in the vaccine, they use genetic material for the spike protein and God knows what else and right now I don't see why that would not be transmissible.
Fleming said he thought the vaccines were making the wild virus more dangerous. He looked miserable when he said it and I think he was implying shedding there too.
I have friends and family who are vaccinated. I will avoid seeing them in person for now. They all know what I think about the vaccine. I will talk to them on the phone.
I have friends who are not vaccinated. Also my mother is not vaccinated. I will see them.
I'll be avoiding doctors, nurses, dentists and hospitals for now. I rarely see them anyway.
In stores I will basically just keep the social distancing going. I never worried about it over the past year, but I'd prefer distance for now.
I'm married and don't have to worry about dating (I feel for you single people). I'm semi-retired and whatever work I choose to do I can do from home. I won't be doing things I used to enjoy, like playing poker, except online for now.
A study in Singapore showed that povidone-iodine throat spray and hydroxychloroquine protected people in high transmission situations. The subjects used the throat spray three times a day. 70% of those who used neither HCQ nor the throat spray got infected. Only 46% of those who used the throat spray got infected. This was for Covid rather than vaccine transmission but I'll be doing it until I can find out exactly what the mechanism of transmission is, if it exists.
Throat spray, oral drug for malaria-arthritis effective in reducing spread of COVID-19: Singapore study
The findings were made based on a large-scale clinical trial conducted last May, involving more than 3,000 migrant workers living in Tuas South Dormitory in the Industrial District of Singapore, Channel News Asia reported.economictimes.indiatimes.com
There's a povidone-iodine throat spray under the brand name Halodine. I've ordered some and will be using it before going into stores, my local cafe, etc. I see no reason to use it three times a day in my life. I own my own home. I live in a small rural community of like-minded people surrounded by miles of public land.
I've already got hydroxychloroquine on hand that I was keeping around in case my mother needed it. I will start the Zelenko protocol for moderate risk patients, which is essentially 200 mg HCQ once a week:
Vladimir Zelenko Protocol: Prophylactic and Treatment Protocol for COVID-19 (updated May 2021)
Independent Guides and Reviews on Wellness, Beauty, Diet and Lifestylewww.aestheticsadvisor.com
I'm not worried about my zinc, D3 or Vitamin C levels right now. I'll be giving my mother all of those plus the higher dose of HCQ (400 mg a week).
You can get HCQ from speakwithanmd.com or get a prescription from your doctor or probably order it from Mexico.
Fleming talks about why HCQ works so well. It's not just about getting zinc into your cells. There are multiple mechanisms. See his Masterclass video on the home page at flemingmethod.com.
I didn't survive cancer to get bonked with this vaccine. I find the "I'm going to die anyway" line abhorrent. I know what it's like to almost die and I'm not ready and neither are any of you.
Dunking veggies and fruit into a sinkful of water with an added cup of vinegar will do basically the same cleaning job as bleach without the dangerous chemicals and fumes.Povidone also destroys DNA/RNA.
So it would destroy, in theory, everything in your throat that you're inhaling from a shedder.
Assuming you're not hugging a shedder, you use some appropriate hand-wipes. The Covidian Cult has been doing this for over a year. I just started.
My great-aunt Ollie used to dunk everything she ever ate in a bleach solution. I have a clear memory of visiting her in her apartment as a little kid and seeing a head of cabbage floating in the sink in bleach solution. She was born in the old country in 1880, lived to be 91, in her own apartment until her last day.
She only had two chairs in her entire apartment, both painted wood. One was her rocking chair and one was a chair at her kitchen table. That way she could wipe them down with bleach frequently.
She was considered insane by the entire family but I always liked her. Obviously that method affects what you can eat.
I bought a bunch of oranges to squeeze for juice this morning and dunked them in bleach solution before I started squeezing. Ollie would be proud.
I think I was the one talking about IVermectin..... if you don't have a prescription the tube paste works just as well. The label says it's for horses (or even goats ) but it is the same drug that is in the tablets. You can get it rather cheaply off Amazon and just go by weight on the plunger to dose.Sorry to bother you one more time @Nemo! You had mentioned I believe that you have some Ivermectin around. Since it is by prescription only , might I ask how you acquired it for those of us that only have by the book medical professionals at our disposal?
I have read your posts on this thread a couple of times, and marvel at what you believe. Please know there are thousands, maybe millions who live with purpose and deep pleasure in appreciation of solitude. Covid lockdowns were laughable here, only affecting if trips to town to a corporate business required masks. I can be at home for weeks without seeing another human. Its a good thing. I do not have to be constantly assessing for survival. I am not dependent on grocery stores for all my food. I only go to town once a month, purchase maybe 8 items and retreat. I find life fully engaging observing birds, animals, working my gardens, my library, construction projects, baking with organic rare grains, cooking, cleaning, laundry, with little time for the chatter of podcasts, video, radio...I didn't really avoid people the past year, I still came into contact with hundreds if not thousands of people even during the quarantine,
I don't dismiss the fact that this pandemic is a hoax I am just saying that you can't realistically avoid contact with everyone who is vaccinated, you never provided any evidence to the contrary.
Like I said if you found out a way to avoid contact with everyone who is vaccinated without abandoning civilization and living alone in the wilderness then I would be really interested to hear all about it, but I highly doubt such a solution exists.
As far as fear goes yes I will never succumb to fear, I will die anyway at some point.
I will not spent my time here on earth, paranoid and anxious about conspiracy theories, if you want to do so that's your decision, but id' rather enjoy life and only worry about things inside my control otherwise I might also start worrying about solar flares, or comet impacts and alien invasions.
Stress avoidance is one of the cornerstones of Metabolic sufficiency, if you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist then nothing can save you from the chronic stress of that disease-like lifestyle.
I am still waiting for your solution on vaccinated people avoidance btw.
Are you kidding? Do you not understand BILLIONAIRES? you think they are not sequestered in palaces with pools and gardens and gyms, and theaters, with scores of employees heirloom seeds and best organic meat and dairy???The question you have to ask is ..
Why would the billionaires create a weapon that will get back at them?
Dunking veggies and fruit into a sinkful of water with an added cup of vinegar will do basically the same cleaning job as bleach without the dangerous chemicals and fumes.
I have. Dad got vaccinated and I got worse. I live by mom rn and feel better.Woah - crazy. Thanks for finding & sharing.
If this is indeed the case, can anyone here provide an anecdotal confirmation?
Anyone here who's not vaccinated...but has been feeling bad since being around those who are??
I can provide a few:
My ex had a late period this month, which she very rarely has.
A friend of mine, 23 y.o female, also told me she's had weird periods for the last few months.
I, a 26 y.o male, have had a very small amount of blood under one of my fingernails for a few weeks now. Could this be some sort of circulatory thing being passed from the vaccinated to myself? Normally I wouldn't think anything of it (probably got it from weightlifting), but given the timing, one can't help but wonder...
Thanks man! Yeah I saw your post.I have. Dad got vaccinated and I got worse. I live by mom rn and feel better.