SAFarmer
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Re: Some effects of various dietary carbohydrates on thyroid
Edward stated :
Babies are in deep ketosis at birth and continue to be so until they are weaned off breast milk.
I asked him for scientific references to this "statement of fact."
I agree .
I agree, but the argument is not about megadosing or excessive dosing, merely adequate doses for optimum health ito BMR, temperature and heartrate. At optimum levels thyroid hormone is clearly anabolic. I see the results in my own family with my 3 sons who tended to be underweight before thyroid supplementation.
Ray Peat has written or said somewhere (can't recall exactly where) that thyroid hormone should be seen more as a food, rather than a supplement. When people used to eat the whole animal, they also ate the thyroid of the animals, something the Low Carb people conveniently forget.
I agree that babies can use ketones, however, that is not the point of debate and was not what was questioned.jb4566 said:It's pretty clear that babies can use ketones:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6785157
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/901796?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1823 ... t=Abstract
Also, IMO ketosis is not something you are in or out of, it is a matter of degree.
Edward stated :
Babies are in deep ketosis at birth and continue to be so until they are weaned off breast milk.
I asked him for scientific references to this "statement of fact."
jb4566 said:Just because a species is adapted to something doesn't mean that it is ideal for the species.
I agree .
jb4566 said:I don't think the amount of thyroid a average person would take will be catabolic, but mega dosing it might be.
I agree, but the argument is not about megadosing or excessive dosing, merely adequate doses for optimum health ito BMR, temperature and heartrate. At optimum levels thyroid hormone is clearly anabolic. I see the results in my own family with my 3 sons who tended to be underweight before thyroid supplementation.
Ray Peat has written or said somewhere (can't recall exactly where) that thyroid hormone should be seen more as a food, rather than a supplement. When people used to eat the whole animal, they also ate the thyroid of the animals, something the Low Carb people conveniently forget.