Urgent: Runaway heart rate and general illness after penicillin.

[Sam321]

Sorry, but I have no idea if it is the right track or not. Sounds like she's experimenting like I am. I use the species she uses, plus a few more.

I see. Thanks.
I used life extender gi for the past 2 weeks. Didnt have a ton of luck there. Tried megaspore probiotic for a week and didn't really notice anything either.

 

[Serene]

Found it,

Autism and Functional Medicine - Dr. Mark Hyman

Disclaimer: As a Functional Medicine doctor, it is my intent to seek out and present many approaches to health and recommend what is best for my patients on an individual […]

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Thanks for that!

 

[NodeCerebri]

there are plenty of people claiming vitamin k2 gives them problems:

I think vitamin K2 ruined my life.

I took K2 for about a year daily on my scrotum (just 100-200mcg), and ever since then my life has been ruined and I think I might have PFS: - Worst side effect: horrible OCD and thoughts that I can't get rid of. They attack again and again 24/7 and are driving me suicidal. - Insane anxiety. I...

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Blunted Emotions from Vitamin K2?

Has anyone else experienced a blunted mood when dosing K2 (MK4) higher than 5mg? I pretty much become emotionless and careless, have less empathy. It took me awhile to figure it out as I tend to take several supplements. I do notice a reduction in anxiety from K2, but too much throws me to the...

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K2 And/or CoQ10 Causing Severe Heart Palps

Hi guys - This is my first post on the forum. I have been following information on here for a while and I'm very grateful for the insight shared which has helped me a lot. So, recently upon doing a lot of digging and research I decided to purchase Thorne K2. Why? I was drinking about 2-3 litres...

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Vitamin K2 Allergic Reaction. Help

I just started taking Thorne K2, orally. For the first two days I took 45mg, divided into 3 doses. I began to notice dizziness upon waking, skin burning feeling and shallow rapid pulse, along with some dull pain around the heart. So I cut the dose to 30mg. As of today I woke up with swollen...

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I also did not feel good at all when I tried it. When did you start taking it?

This is so weird, I also had an unpleasant reaction to vitamin k2 capsules, but the drops seem to do nothing to me even in high doses. The capsules didn’t have any fillers also. Such a mystery until this day. Remember when I went to the doc and took the capsules 30 min before, BP was slightly elevated and I had f****ng tachycardia, BPM of 140, although I am normally at 70 average. Could only be the k2. ??‍

 

[Sam321]

This is so weird, I also had an unpleasant reaction to vitamin k2 capsules, but the drops seem to do nothing to me even in high doses. The capsules didn’t have any fillers also. Such a mystery until this day. Remember when I went to the doc and took the capsules 30 min before, BP was slightly elevated and I had f****ng tachycardia, BPM of 140, although I am normally at 70 average. Could only be the k2. ??‍

Man. One of those dudes in that post smeared the ***t on his taint tho. Lol.

I'll back off the k2 to see if I notice anything. I've decided to experiment with more foods with higher choline (eggs, liver, oysters, chicken legs, etc).

Also asked the doc about a d-lactate and fungal stool panel (candida).

I've been experiencing some tenderness around my stomach like its inflamed and throughout my gi a little too.

Sage tea really agreed with me yesterday which is interesting given its literally used to fight candida overgrowth by some.

 

[Sam321]

The bfidobacterium and L. rhamnosus in that product produce acetate and L-lactate, respectively, but not much if any D-lactate.

I'm wondering, @Sam321, if you killed off too many good bacteria in your small intestine and now have an overgrowth of D-lactate-producing bacteria there, which could cause neurological problems (including rapid heart rate). A lactic acid test would tell you if you have elevated D-lactate, but you would have to specify a D-lactate test because routine lactic acid tests only test for L-lactate, which doesn't present the same problems as D-lactate. The body lacks D-lactate metabolizing enzymes, so it can build up and cause problems. Something to consider and research.

When I was about to get off the penecillin I recall my sleep was getting poorer and in my head was thinking, man... something not so good is coming when I stop these.

What do you think about the idea that the penecillim maybe killed off all the bacteria it could and when it wasn't there anymore, my gut was recolonized by the remaining penecilin resistant bacteria?

Maybe the penecillin was the only thing holding that or the fungus back as each time I got off the penecillin my gut lost its ***t.

 

[Sam321]

This is so weird, I also had an unpleasant reaction to vitamin k2 capsules, but the drops seem to do nothing to me even in high doses. The capsules didn’t have any fillers also. Such a mystery until this day. Remember when I went to the doc and took the capsules 30 min before, BP was slightly elevated and I had f****ng tachycardia, BPM of 140, although I am normally at 70 average. Could only be the k2. ??‍

Also one of these dudes was megadosing at 45mg a day. 1mg is more than you'd get in your daily diet.

Not saying it's not a thing, just saying some of these links are more exceptional cases lol.

 

[Perry Staltic]

When I was about to get off the penecillin I recall my sleep was getting poorer and in my head was thinking, man... something not so good is coming when I stop these.

What do you think about the idea that the penecillim maybe killed off all the bacteria it could and when it wasn't there anymore, my gut was recolonized by the remaining penecilin resistant bacteria?

Maybe the penecillin was the only thing holding that or the fungus back as each time I got off the penecillinnmy gut lost its ***t.

It's hard to know which bacteria penicillin targets. If they do kill off more good than bad, then that gives the bad an advantage because all are competing for the same resources, and some of the good produce things the bad don't like. I don't know if it's right or wrong, but I'm of the mind to flood the gut with good stuff and let them work things out.

 

[Sam321]

It's hard to know which bacteria penicillin targets. If they do kill off more good than bad, then that gives the bad an advantage because all are competing for the same resources, and some of the good produce things the bad don't like. I don't know if it's right or wrong, but I'm of the mind to flood the gut with good stuff and let them work things out.

The good and bad bacteria idea is a contentious one. Some think small intestine should be sterile. Any thoughts on that?

 

[Perry Staltic]

The good and bad bacteria idea is a contentious one. Some think small intestine should be sterile. Any thoughts on that?

IMO that's at the same level of absurdity as zero covid virus and zero manmade CO2. We are not living in a sterile world. Mankind existed quite well for millenia before antibiotics were discovered and used. Also, the idea that the gut is made sterile via antibiotic use is just absurd.

 

[Sam321]

IMO that's at the same level of absurdity as zero covid virus and zero manmade CO2. We are not living in a sterile world. Mankind existed quite well for millenia before antibiotics were discovered and used. Also, the idea that the gut is made sterile via antibiotic use is just absurd.

Ya. That makes sense i think. Maybe not sterile, just not an overgrowth of bacteria.

 

[NodeCerebri]

Man. One of those dudes in that post smeared the ***t on his taint tho. Lol.

I'll back off the k2 to see if I notice anything. I've decided to experiment with more foods with higher choline (eggs, liver, oysters, chicken legs, etc).

Also asked the doc about a d-lactate and fungal stool panel (candida).

I've been experiencing some tenderness around my stomach like its inflamed and throughout my gi a little too.

Sage tea really agreed with me yesterday which is interesting given its literally used to fight candida overgrowth by some.

Sorry if you mentioned it already but can’t remember if you had helicobacter pylori?

 

[Sam321]

Sorry if you mentioned it already but can’t remember if you had helicobacter pylori?

I don't think so. What is that?

 

[Sam321]

Doctor refused to do d-lactate or candida test. What are my options around this? Can I order my own?

Started to eat a bunch of liver and oysters to try to get in the plus nutrient wise. Added a few more egg yolks in the morning to add some more choline.

Started propranolol instead of metroprolol. Seems like pulse and general feeling of being hot has subsided some.

 

[Sam321]

Sorry if you mentioned it already but can’t remember if you had helicobacter pylori?

Is the test for this only a test that can be ordered by a doctor?

 

[Perry Staltic]

Doctor refused to do d-lactate or candida test. What are my options around this? Can I order my own?

Find a doctor who will, or find an online testing lab. I can't offer any advice about online testing because I've never done it. I found this for D-lactate testing:

If you can talk your doctor in to it, get tested for “D-lactate”, there is both a urine and plasma test. Both tests have to be sent to the Mayo Clinic for processing. (CPT Code 83605, Urine LOINC=14046-7, Plasma=14045-9). The Genova Organix® Dysbiosis Profile also tests for D-Lactate (available through many NDs, Functional Medicine doctors, etc). Stool tests are actually more likely to detect D-lactate than blood and urine tests as stool is where the producing bacteria are located and not all D-lactate passes into the systemic environment (e.g. blood). Insurance generally doesn’t pay for a D-lactate stool test.

Lactic Acidosis - Fatigued, Confused, Grumpy? This might be why.

Many people with gut issues suffer from cogitative issues and body-wide symptoms, along with the gastrointestinal hell they’re going through. One of the reasons is often high levels of D-lactic acid.

www.theguthealthprotocol.com

 

[Sam321]

Find a doctor who will, or find an online testing lab. I can't offer any advice about online testing because I've never done it. I found this for D-lactate testing:

Lactic Acidosis - Fatigued, Confused, Grumpy? This might be why.

Many people with gut issues suffer from cogitative issues and body-wide symptoms, along with the gastrointestinal hell they’re going through. One of the reasons is often high levels of D-lactic acid.

www.theguthealthprotocol.com

Thanks dude

 

[Perry Staltic]

Thanks dude

This link in my quote above says they test for candida and D-lactate. Don't know if you need a doctor to get that done or not.

Products | Genova Diagnostics

www.gdx.net

 

[Perry Staltic]

This link in my quote above says they test for candida and D-lactate. Don't know if you need a doctor to get that done or not.

Products | Genova Diagnostics

www.gdx.net

You can call them and they might be able to help you find a doctor. They're in Asheville, NC.

Patients: Only a licensed healthcare provider may order Genova Diagnostics tests. Please contact your healthcare provider or let us help you Find a Doctor that already utilizes our testing.

 

[NodeCerebri]

Is the test for this only a test that can be ordered by a doctor?

I asked because I had that feeling also and it came from helicobacter pylori in my stomach and I have it every time I eat too little or am stressed too much. Increasing my stomach acid and oregano oil helped tremendously. I had it tested at the doc, had to undergo endoscopy ? and they detected it then via breath. Standard therapy they give is three antibiotics over 3 weeks. I didn’t do it though.
but everything got in check when my diet was full of nutrients, thyroid in check, frequent sleep schedule etc.

 

[gaze]

if you live in america, you can use discountedlabs.com and check your LDH which is lactate, although i'm not sure if that's what perry was referring to. also , do you feel any relief after you have bowel movements?