Warning About Gelatin Powder. Damaged Sleep For Years (Did Peat Turn Away From it?)

[japanesedude]

You can imagine the ammount of Glycine contained in Gelatin.Glycine will drop your cortisol a lot even at 500mg dose.
There’s reason why I would only take Glycine with big bottle of coke.

 

[Clyde]

Hi Clyde, I imagine if it’s related to a DAO deficiency, you would experience symptoms with other high histamine foods? I’m not sure why gelatin would slow digestion if no digestive issues are present, but I experienced that, as well. If iron from oxtail soup is a concern, there’s always broth made from non-oily fish or chicken feet. In case you’re interested, I used to make this fish broth recipe:

How to Make Fish Broth That Doesn’t Taste Fishy (Plus Recipe for Cioppino)

Many shy away from fish broth and wrinkle their nose. I'll teach you how to make non-fishy broth and turn it into delectable Cioppino.

www.kitchenstewardship.com

Chicken feet sound like a really good idea if I can find them. Whole fish would work too. I could only think of sardines but I've seen whole halibut which doesn't have the fish fat. Great ideas, thanks.

 

[Jennifer]

You’re welcome, @Clyde. I hope the broth treats you better. :)

 

[member11823]

50 g collagen in the morning makes me sleep like a bear through the winter

 

[cremes]

50 g collagen in the morning makes me sleep like a bear through the winter

50 _grams_? At once?

I can imagine divided doses throughout the day...

 

[member11823]

I see no issue, it's amino acids at all. It's better than 50 g whey isolate / hydrolysate for example...
I feel great, thank God.

 

[hierundjetzt]

I see no issue, it's amino acids at all. It's better than 50 g whey isolate / hydrolysate for example...
I feel great, thank God.

From my experience it depends on your blood group if it's good for you or not. It's that simple.

 

[member11823]

Whey makes constipated, pea protein isolate too. I'm exercising a lot, I'm working a lot using my brain.

 

[Dutchie]

From my experience it depends on your blood group if it's good for you or not. It's that simple.

What blood types would gelatin work for?
I imagine O's.

 

[hierundjetzt]

What blood types would gelatin work for?
I imagine O's.

Yes, it's good for O.

 

[AinmAnseo]

I have noticed the same. Since I incorporated gelatin (20-30 grams a day) into my diet around 3 or 4 months ago, I have terrible sleep issues. Plus my eyes have become puffy. I used 2 different grassfed versions of gelatin.

Here and Now:
I noticed the same symptom exactly. Since I added gelatin (15 grams a day) to my diet, I noticed that my eyes became irritated. I used grassfed gelatin, from the US, not south america.
I am not sure that my sleep was any worse, but it was not better.

 

[Gawdawg]

On the daily I use about 16 grams of gelatin by Great Lakes in the form of gummies. Before using that brand I was using a grass fed gelatin that was high in cyteine, methionine, and tryptophan. I switched over to Great Lakes due to zero cysteine and zero tryptophan. I've not had any difficulty sleeping.

I've heard Ray Peat discourage the use of Glycine supplements.

 

[Ginali]

Dairy and meat products, along with all derivatives... It seems that vaccination, deworming, and other treatments of farm animals have been changed a long ago. There's a growing unease in me, a sense that something isn't quite right what they have changed. You can't raise any farm animal, even organically, without adhering to essential veterinary procedures, such as vaccinations and the like.

 

[Mossy]

On the daily I use about 16 grams of gelatin by Great Lakes in the form of gummies. Before using that brand I was using a grass fed gelatin that was high in cyteine, methionine, and tryptophan. I switched over to Great Lakes due to zero cysteine and zero tryptophan. I've not had any difficulty sleeping.

I've heard Ray Peat discourage the use of Glycine supplements.

I think you may have misheard. Glycine is one of the few supplements that Ray has been quoted as saying is ok to take:

“I don’t think it’s very safe to use individual amino acids, glycine is the only one I know of that is safe by itself because it can be used as energy”

Glycine May Treat Lung, Brain And Other Cancers

Lung and brain (glioblastoma) cancer are among the deadliest. The 5 year survival rates of both are below 20%. So, any progress in treating those cancer types would be a huge leap forward for oncology. As the study says, there is a growing realization that cancers are highly metabolically...

raypeatforum.com

 

[FitnessMike]

I'm posting so people like me don't overlook it as a possibility. I hope it helps someone.

After years of trouble shooting since adopting Dr. Peat's principles, I'm about certain that the 14-21 grams of gelatin a day was making my sleep worse. I was usually using Now Brand Beef gelatin but I would also use generic store bought in packets at times and heat it to near boiling in coffee or soup (my caffeine intake doesn't change though).

I went through every supplement or drug that I though could be an issue but never considered gelatin. I only recently noticed that I don't get the same drowsy feeling after gelatin that I get after glycine (although I can't say I noticed it was stimulating) and this ended up being one of the last things that I considered because of the glycine content.

And when I think about it, gelatin powder is one of the rare exceptions where Ray Peat supports a very unnatural food product. The facilities that produce gelatin powder look like mini oil refineries.

I only recently noticed that he mentions collagenous soups for himself and not gelatin powder in all the interviews I've heard. So maybe he had changed his opinion on the powder.

Can you explain in what way gelatine messes your sleep up?

 

[Clyde]

Can you explain in what way gelatine messes your sleep up?

I woke up sooner and slept less in total. Quality was worse too. Not fun

 

[FitnessMike]

I woke up sooner and slept less in total. Quality was worse too. Not fun

is this still the case? or have you figured out the way to take it?

 

[bagotage]

How would this apply to hydrolyzed collagen vs. actual gelatin?

 

[ecstatichamster]

I've stopped gelatin years ago. I had found that gelatin smells bad, like a slaughterhouse. But collagen doesn't have that smell. I know some people have trouble with collagen also, but most don't, and I think the endotoxin levels in gelatin are much much greater.

 

[InChristAlone]

I've stopped gelatin years ago. I had found that gelatin smells bad, like a slaughterhouse. But collagen doesn't have that smell. I know some people have trouble with collagen also, but most don't, and I think the endotoxin levels in gelatin are much much greater.

Yeah I will never consume much gelatin for this reason.