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I see what you did there.I don't think soybean oil, which is the most common source of high-gamma tocopherol mix, has much policosanol. So, if we extract it with CO2 from soybean oil, just as we do with the wheat germ oil for TocoVit, it would probably be just a high-gamma tocopherol mix that is quite common on the market and adds nothing unique. Also, since we released TocoVit a few years ago we have only had maybe 2-3 inquiries about a high-gamma version so I am not sure there would be much interest in such a product anyways.
@yerrag
I see what you did there.
Various of your products would offer nothing 'unique' when thought in terms of main ingredients (there's plenty of similar products on the market), but you've managed to differentiate them somehow, through quality of the raw materials, better processing, excipients used/avoided, and so on.
A while ago I had doubts about which mk-4 product is best. After a lot of experimentation, I realized that yours is superior. I can use higher doses of the others or alternate the route in attempt to compensate for an inefficiency, but it's not sufficient. Kuinone produces a clearer effect in spite of them all being mk-4.
If you insist that the policosanols are what makes a product special, there are other gamma-tocopherol sources that might contain them in desirable quantities ($?), you'd have to investigate their yolk-like embryos, not the residue in the refined oil.
- Gamma-Tocopherol – An Underestimated Vitamin? (according to Table 2, corn and flaxseed are proportionally richer in gamma-tocopherol than soybead oil)
You already have one "vitamin" E product, but the same applied to Poisonil, when you decided to diversify. In a community that refers to PUFA elimination as 'detoxification', two versions of an antidote is not too many. Fair enough if there's little request, like yerrag, I'm surprised at people's disinterest.
I vote for both - don’t either or unless financially it is too expensive to keep both versions. In that case, stick with current version. I love it.Maybe we can do a poll on the forum? If say at least 30 people say they are interested in a high-gamma version, but not interested in the high-alpha one then it may be worth it.
Thanks for the compliments.And thanks Amazoniac and yerrag for always bringing such high quality discussions on the forum!!
I wish I were as perceptive as you on these things.I cannot comment much because I am still learning how to use Vitamin E. Thanks @yerrag for your advice about this in previous threads. What I can say so far is this:
- Tocovit is, as always with idealabs products, very potent. However, it causes some aggressiveness mood kind of. Even with 2-3 drops. This has been reported by other users also.
- High gamma E from health natura, works good as well, the subjective effects are much less pronounced but I am sure it is good quality as well. Doesn't produce that aggressive mood. So I am favoring it instead of tocovit for now.
Need to experiment more. For sure if haidut releases a high gamma one at some point I would buy buy it. Another very good thing about idealabs is that the ordering, shipment and other things I don't want to say here is super convenient.
Research on gamma-tocopherol is incentivized by the seed oil industry, there's an abundance of articles promoting it. However, I think that what's holding Jorge back is the low demand, which is why this poll thread was created.@haidut thanks for eliciting ideas from us on the makeup of your vitamin E product. I appreciate that you've already improved it from the initial version with input from no less than the namesake of this forum.
Since both alpha and gamma tocopherol are both beneficial, and even the beta and delta isomers have some benefit (though as yet unquantified and given much study) as part of mixed tocopherols, could you give us an idea of what mix of alpha and gamma isomers would be like, in a high gamma version of the product? In a practical (cost wise and production and sourcing wise sense as well as theoretically optimally beneficial sense)?
Then maybe we can thresh out the pros and cons of each version to see if there is much differentiation in the net benefit one can derive from changing the existing formula?
If it would help haidut from the onus of research and having to make a case for a high(er) gamma version, @Amazoniac what do you think of us making a short form writeup on the merit of the gamma isomer over the alpha isomer, and vice versa, with particular emphasis on what disease/condition warrants a higher delta version and the same for a higher gamma version. it may not even be a disease, but towards preventing a disease.
As Ray has said, it is hard to keep up with the changes in the makeup of vitamin E in the market. He had said that it has/had become so bad that he has/had stopped taking vitamin E supplements. A lot of it has to do though with sellers mixing PUFA oils with vitamin E in capsules. But I should add that various forms of vitamin E are in the market, many of which do squat. Such as the dl-alpha, succinate, tocotrienol versions. These make Vitamin E selection as supplements a confusing process.
Studies by the medical establishment intentionally make this process even more arduous. A lot of misdirection going on to keep the consumer from enjoying the benefits of honest to goodness vitamin E.
I'm reposting this comparison of a few prominent brands of vitamin E as far as their isomer content goes:
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