Bluebell
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thanks a lot - sorry, I meant what brand of "vitamin A" did you take (from your 1st post) ...
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Bluebell said:thanks a lot - sorry, I meant what brand of "vitamin A" did you take (from your 1st post) ...
gummybear said:Somehow I think we need the k1 also. Dosage is kind of how I feel, I had alot when I had some teeth problems.
Conversion of vitamin K1 to vitamin K2 in animals
The MK-4 form of vitamin K2 is produced via conversion of vitamin K1 in the testes, pancreas, and arterial walls. While major questions still surround the biochemical pathway for the transformation of vitamin K1 to MK-4, the conversion is not dependent on gut bacteria, as it occurs in germ-free rats and in parenterally-administered K1 in rats. In fact, tissues that accumulate high amounts of MK-4 have a remarkable capacity to convert up to 90% of the available K1 into MK-4. There is evidence that the conversion proceeds by removal of the phytyl tail of K1 to produce menadione as an intermediate, which is then condensed with an activated geranylgeranyl moiety to produce vitamin K2 in the MK-4 (menatetrione) form.
gummybear said:I started peating fairly young but age doesnt mean who can't grow any more monsieur. Peat grew a few cm when he used DHEA, and pregnenolone changed his face. And yes sir I have growned both here and there (!) using DHEA, pregnenolone, vit k and good diet some cynoplus.
haidut said:I can report similar effects to gummybear when taking Estroban daily for about 2 months. However, I am also taking pregnenolone occassionally so can't comppletely separate the effects of the two supplements. However, this is rather odd to be just a coincidence, so I am willing to attribute it to vitamin K.
For the record, I do not take K1 but only K2 as MK-4. Studies have shown that MK-4 does not have the same direct hemostatic activity as vitamin K1. For people with high estrogen, which I think is 99% of modern people, K1 can be unsafe and there are reports of people having clotting issues and ending up in the hospital from taking 500mcg-1,000mcg of vitamin K1. Estrogen also clots the blood, so unless you are taking aspirin or vitamin E to thin it, the combination of high estrogen and higher doses of K1 can be unsafe.
That being said, anybody should use whatever they feel works for them. I am just sharing what I have read.
Bluebell said:haidut said:I can report similar effects to gummybear when taking Estroban daily for about 2 months. However, I am also taking pregnenolone occassionally so can't comppletely separate the effects of the two supplements. However, this is rather odd to be just a coincidence, so I am willing to attribute it to vitamin K.
For the record, I do not take K1 but only K2 as MK-4. Studies have shown that MK-4 does not have the same direct hemostatic activity as vitamin K1. For people with high estrogen, which I think is 99% of modern people, K1 can be unsafe and there are reports of people having clotting issues and ending up in the hospital from taking 500mcg-1,000mcg of vitamin K1. Estrogen also clots the blood, so unless you are taking aspirin or vitamin E to thin it, the combination of high estrogen and higher doses of K1 can be unsafe.
That being said, anybody should use whatever they feel works for them. I am just sharing what I have read.
Thanks very much haidut, I will be careful with the K1. How many drops a day of Estroban were you taking for those 2 months?
lvysaur said:gummybear said:I started peating fairly young but age doesnt mean who can't grow any more monsieur. Peat grew a few cm when he used DHEA, and pregnenolone changed his face. And yes sir I have growned both here and there (!) using DHEA, pregnenolone, vit k and good diet some cynoplus.
Could you point me to where he says he grew taller by taking DHEA? Or if he said it in an email or something, perhaps post what he said verbatim? Just curious, thanks.
Addie1970 said:What kind of vitamin K are you taking K2 or k3 ,and how much are you taking ?
Hugh Johnson said:Addie1970 said:What kind of vitamin K are you taking K2 or k3 ,and how much are you taking ?
Never take K3, That is potentially toxic in high doses and I hear some people have killed themselves with it.
Jennifer said:Gummybear, may I ask, what Vitacost vitamin K are you using? I noticed two formulas with both K1 and K2. The Ultra K and the Vitamin K Complex.
I had bought a couple bottles of the Green Pasture's high vitamin butter oil and was using it for about a month, but then started giving it to my dog because she's really sick. I still like the idea of using it because along with the K1/K2 it has the CoQ10, vitamins A, D, E and is real food, but the price is...well, I'd have to start selling appendages at this point to afford using it for an extended period of time.
Addie1970 said:What kind of vitamin K are you taking K2 or k3 ,and how much are you taking ?