michael94
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Well, Peat likes antibiotics, and that is just what they do. Recent studies show that it can take a year for the microbiome to get back to where it was after antibiotic usage. I have a feeling that on this forum there may never be an agreement regarding these substances. I would trust silver before antibiotics, antibiotics and silver may have the same problem, they can help, and they can hurt.Since Colloidal Silver kills all bacteria good and bad, isn't it compromising or outright exposing the gut to all kind of disease?
Thanks Nikki, that is nice to hear but I only wish. I used to take a lot of supplements, but found I needed less when I could get it from food. It's much easier if less processed foods are available, and also if there's time and space to have real home-cooked food. I would go back to taking many supplements though, if I should go back to living out of a box.Hi Mike. You are so wise. I appreciate the tips on ascorbic acid use. I tend to learn then unlearn these sorts of health matters. I take som many supplements, yet can't remember why I take half of them =)
My dad gets 3g ascorbic acid daily. Any more than that is beyond bowel tolerance for him. He had chronic constipation so I use Vit C and magnesium (to help his brain/vessels) to keep him regular, but it's a fine line between being regular and messy messes. His doctor wants him on an intestinal +stimulant, Senna, but I wonder if I should forego that once-daily boost and put in another gram of C instead. I did get a kidney stone while on high-dose C for about a week or two. I don't want to risk that with him and am not sure if one more gram is risky or not. We use https://www.amazon.com/Viva-Naturals-Bioflavonoids-Quali®-C-Scotland/dp/B00C6C3GCY.
BTW, incontinence is not the main culprit in male UTI. My understanding is that it's usually paralysis or prostate enlargement preventing emptying of the bladder that makes it a breeding ground for bacteria. I think all men reading this should remember and tell their friends that when their doctors tell them an enlarged prostate isn't a health hazard, they should remember the potential for UTI. The problem is as most people age, the UTIs cause mental frailty and who is going to remember this info when they need to remember it? In my early forties I've already experience what I could only call "dementia" from what I think was a mild UTI. If I hadn't had this "sudden dementia" experience with my dad, I'd never have figured my memory problems were related to my bladder health. I believe the infection only set in because I was lax in taking the silver. I deliberatly skip a dose or a few doses now and then just to see what happens and to give my immune system a chance to work. Other times, I just forget and don't realize until a day or so has passed. I think even at my age my immune system is challenged and I could be prone to UTI and it's related delerium. I really want to take the probiotics which I hear are good for our immunity and bladder health, but RP has me scared out of doing so. What's your thought on this topic?
I like the Results RNA nano silver. Check out their website, they have some good clinical data behind their silver. It is called ACS 200.
Just saw this thread...if anyone ever has concern about sepsis especially in a hospital setting, here is your go-to treatment IMHO...Hi Nikki,
Thanks for your nice thoughts and very thoughtful reply. From what you have recounted, it sure seems that colloidal silver has been a big help to your dad, as well as yourself. I have no idea that you were using large amounts of Mesosilver. At that rate, I can't imagine how many bottles of it you're saying per month. I have been too conservative in using it myself, not that I have felt a strong need for it at the moment. But your telling us that dosage quantity is very important, and not knowing how much to use, I always would tend to err on the side of caution, and end up using too little. This reminds me also of how most people approach vitamin C, and the low dosage levels that are used make vitamin C seem ineffective. With the right nderstanding of it, and with appropriate dosage, many have experienced its many benefits as well. Speaking of vitamin C, have you considered using vitmain C for your dad? I think it is worth to try it. With my recent experience on using ascorbic acid, I would suggest either using sodium ascorbate or mixing ascorbic acid with baking soda on a 2:1 volume ratio. It was only after my mom died that I got to read up on vitamin C, and I regret also not having found the time to read up on it earlier, as I think it would have helped greatly as well. I just think that a combination protocol of colloidal silver and vitamin C would be a good way to keep those bugs in check where the urinary tract is concerned. There are many videos on Youtube by Thomas Levy, and by Suxanne Humphries. And there is a book by Irwin Stone and an article by Dr. Cathcart on determining how much vitamin C is needed by a person. They're just a download away at www.boweltolerance.org
I was glad that your dad was able to recover from the antibiotics given him. I hope they're not fluoroquinolones such as Ciprofoxacian and Levoquin or Levofloxacin. They're very toxic to the nerves, especially when the patient is having hypoglycemic episodes arising from their treatments, which in my mom's cases was when they gave her parenteral food loaded with soya oil. Those antibiotics have a very excitotoxic effect and they could really excite brain cells and drain them of energy till exhaustion and death, especially when they ran out of sugar.
Thanks again for sharing on your use of colloidal silver in helping deal with your dad's UTI condition. I really think you are doing the right thing for your dad. I know it is a lot of time spent thinking of ways to deal with it. I just think of UTI as the Achilles heel of healthy people when they age. The loss of bladder control seems to many to be an unavoidable consequence of aging, and once there, it seems to be a foregone conclusion that they get chronic UTI. First, I wish they'd know of a way to balance their parasympathetic and cholinergic nervous systems such that they can still control their bladder, and secondly, when they lose bladder control, they would know to use the right substances to effectively prevent inflection of their urinary tract. You have found a way of doing it without the use of harmful antibiotics, but have another antibiotic in use that has none of the side effects.
All the best,
Mike
It seems paradoxical to claim you only believe things to be true that are evidence based, when you post a bing image and a mainstream news report? Wouldn't this be the equivalent of saying coca cola causes diabetes in any person who drinks any amount, that there is no difference between using or abusing coca cola, and that all coca cola is the same, completely choosing to remain uninformed on the nuanced biochemistry?if they are not backed by well referenced studies, then no, i dont trust it, unless it's someone i trust, like ray peat. yes, it means they are not worthy of consideration. especially something that turned someone blue in the past. i dont care that jennifer lost her license, i care that nothing is what she is saying is backed by anything.
According to Jay Newman, it is only the 'ionic' part of the silver that is useful. Too much to discuss, check his info out to see if you agree.This study really boggles my mind:
Ions, not particles, make silver toxic to bacteria
It says that it is the ionic silver that kills pathogens, not the metallic particles. The ionic silver can also form silver chloride when it comes in contact with chloride, which the body is abundant of. Silver chloride is toxic and can cause argyria (blue skin). Almost all colloidal silver experts and manufacturers claim that it's the metallic particles that's responsible for the killing of pathogens and that the ionic silver is not, whilst the study above shows the opposite.
So is the study above disinformation/false?
@Travis @Dave Clark
I'm very interested in trying silver to treat sinus issues but kind of discouraged by Ray saying it's toxicI have used silver as needed for sinus and any lung/respiratory issues with very beneficial effects and no negatives for around 15 years. I think as long as you get from a reputable source, like sovereign sliver or silver wings, it is very safe and very effective to use short term infectious sickness, especially involving the lungs.
Honestly, I haven't heard what Ray has says about it, and he could be right? I've used it for years and years though, and it has by far been the most positively impactful thing I've tried for sinuses infections/congestion. I sort of drape my head off the sofa and put some drops straight into my nose and inhale, and typically all congestion is gone shortly thereafter. Have never noticed any negative effects, however I guess there is a chance the inside of my sinuses are now blue or something. LolI'm very interested in trying silver to treat sinus issues but kind of discouraged by Ray saying it's toxic
Check out this article... I think this Cutler fellow must be full of crap. And... there must be close to 100,000 POSITIVE reviews on colloidal/nano silver on Amazon. I've used it... it works... but the brand is important...Colloidal silver is a big NO NO for Andrew Cutler, the expert in mercury and heavy metal poisoning.
Few quotes from him:
"Never use colloidal silver. It is no less poison than vaccine or amalgam filling mercury. Never go back to that MD. Next time he gives you poison you might take it before you ask. "
"Giving colloidal silver to a 5 year old is a great way to give them epilepsy or a personality disorder."
"Colloidal silver (unlike larger scale silver particles) dissolves and will poison you. It is a biocide just like mercurochrome and merthiolate - heavy metals kill all life. When applied topically they just kill surface microbes before killing the organism - you - that the microbes are on. Of course, before it kills you, you get miserably sick and with silver that generally involves brain electrical activity problems."
"This is not a theoretical risk, I've consulted on cases where some criminal quack got the parents to feed their kid a lot of colloidal silver and they developed epilepsy as a result, and know of cases where adults used it and developed personality disorders. I've also seen high silver in many of the hair tests I've seen from epileptics. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7765683/ Silver Wings beats the Sovereign.Honestly, I haven't heard what Ray has says about it, and he could be right? I've used it for years and years though, and it has by far been the most positively impactful thing I've tried for sinuses infections/congestion. I sort of drape my head off the sofa and put some drops straight into my nose and inhale, and typically all congestion is gone shortly thereafter. Have never noticed any negative effects, however I guess there is a chance the inside of my sinuses are now blue or something. Lol
...I do only use the stuff from the more reputable brands like Silver Wings and Sovereign Silver though. I think there is a much greater risk of toxicity, if you use something prepared incorrectly.
Fair enough. All I'm saying is that if the juju man is using a substance that benefits the tribe with good results, I'm not waiting for some researcher from a well respected institute to give his scientific blessing on it. Many things we do, like crossing the street carefully, don't require scientific studies.