DAIRY FREE

[thebigpeatowski]

Holy! You could buy your own goat in a few months of this. Grass is everywhere, turn it into milk!!!

Yeah, I had dairy goats when my kids were little as they didn't tolerate cow milk. I milked two goats twice a day, everyday for years...it was great while it lasted, but life circumstances changed and I was forced to sell the farm.

Speaking from experience, I kind of enjoy my freedom too much these days to be tied to milking twice a day. I'm embarking on a new journey soon tho, I hope to find some property and have chickens and goats again......by then I'll be sick of paying these exorbitant prices and more than pleased to be shackled to the milk stand.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

@postman do u supplement calcium?

 

[ecstatichamster]

estrogen is present in dairyfat. Nonfat milk has the least and butter the most. Levels in nonfat milk are very low.

 

[kaybb]

Thanks for the info

The fattier the dairy is, the worse i feel. Eating large quantities of butter is the worst. Anyways I don't think it's the estrogen as much as it is the progesterone.



I haven't had blood tests but there are studies that show this. I can't find the specific study but here is some similar stuff.

DocGuide
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.sci-...ionid=3E545B076A67717717681A948BD681AF.f02t02

thankd for the info:)

 

[schultz]

Yeah, I had dairy goats when my kids were little as they didn't tolerate cow milk. I milked two goats twice a day, everyday for years...it was great while it lasted, but life circumstances changed and I was forced to sell the farm.

Speaking from experience, I kind of enjoy my freedom too much these days to be tied to milking twice a day. I'm embarking on a new journey soon tho, I hope to find some property and have chickens and goats again......by then I'll be sick of paying these exorbitant prices and more than pleased to be shackled to the milk stand.

Yah I hear yah... I'm trying to plan a vacation at the end of summer and it's hard to find someone to milk my animals while I'm gone . Owning animals is great until it gets in the way haha.

 

[postman]

@postman do u supplement calcium?

Not regularly but sometimes, it has kind of an energy boosting / stabilizing effect for me.

 

[tca300]

I eat zero dairy. I think the progesterone in it is strongly antagonistic to testosterone, therefore I think it's not a good food for men. Cows are artificially inseminated to be pregnant all the time, this means the hormone levels in the milk are way higher than what would otherwise be normal. Of course Ray thinks progesterone is something inherently positive for everyone, I disagree. Eating a high-fat dairy diet can double your blood progesterone levels in just a couple of days. It's sad because milk has almost perfect macros, great micros, cheap, and is very easy to consume.

I used to drink a gallon of milk a day, it can cause all kind of mood problems, libido problems, motivational problems etc.

Where has Ray ever said he thinks progesterone is positive for everyone? I talk to him all the time and he has always steered me away from taking it. I couldn't grow a beard until after about 1 year of drinking milk, and it filled in very quick, which wouldn't make sense if it was abnormally high in progesterone. Dewitt and myself have both raised our testosterone and DHT while getting most of our protein from milk. His androgens went up when he replaced meat with milk, as did mine. My libido is better than ever with 1 gallon of milk per day. Ray doesn't recommend high fat dairy so please don't insinuate that he does. The hormones in milk are concentrated in the fat, so low fat varieties would avoid most of the hormones. Your experience is yours, and many, many others don't experience what you do on dairy. It's not dairy that's the problem, it's you, and your gut health. If you feel better without it, don't eat it, but don't discouraged others from trying it just because you don't do well with it.

 

[FacelessMan]

Where has Ray ever said he thinks progesterone is positive for everyone? I talk to him all the time and he has always steered me away from taking it. I couldn't grow a beard until after about 1 year of drinking milk, and it filled in very quick, which wouldn't make sense if it was abnormally high in progesterone. Dewitt and myself have both raised our testosterone and DHT while getting most of our protein from milk. His androgens went up when he replaced meat with milk, as did mine. My libido is better than ever with 1 gallon of milk per day. Ray doesn't recommend high fat dairy so please don't insinuate that he does. The hormones in milk are concentrated in the fat, so low fat varieties would avoid most of the hormones. Your experience is yours, and many, many others don't experience what you do on dairy. It's not dairy that's the problem, it's you, and your gut health. If you feel better without it, don't eat it, but don't discouraged others from trying it just because you don't do well with it.

Interesting. What all did you do to increase androgens? I'm a 27 year old male and have trouble growing a beard. I have chin hair but not much on cheeks. I already drink half a gallon of milk a day. Any recommendations?

 

[tca300]

Interesting. What all did you do to increase androgens? I'm a 27 year old male and have trouble growing a beard. I have chin hair but not much on cheeks. I already drink half a gallon of milk a day. Any recommendations?

I think it was just eating better foods, and getting more light. Lowfat milk, fruit, coconut oil, sometimes eggs, liver, and oysters.

 

[Peater Piper]

Your experience is yours, and many, many others don't experience what you do on dairy. It's not dairy that's the problem, it's you, and your gut health. If you feel better without it, don't eat it, but don't discouraged others from trying it just because you don't do well with it.

To be fair, there's been plenty of reports on here of people struggling with dairy. It's a wonderful food source for some people, but it's also one of the more common food sensitivities, especially in hypothyroid individuals. It may come down to gut health, but the same could be said for people that can't tolerate fiber and starch.

 

[postman]

Where has Ray ever said he thinks progesterone is positive for everyone? I talk to him all the time and he has always steered me away from taking it. I couldn't grow a beard until after about 1 year of drinking milk, and it filled in very quick, which wouldn't make sense if it was abnormally high in progesterone. Dewitt and myself have both raised our testosterone and DHT while getting most of our protein from milk. His androgens went up when he replaced meat with milk, as did mine. My libido is better than ever with 1 gallon of milk per day. Ray doesn't recommend high fat dairy so please don't insinuate that he does. The hormones in milk are concentrated in the fat, so low fat varieties would avoid most of the hormones. Your experience is yours, and many, many others don't experience what you do on dairy. It's not dairy that's the problem, it's you, and your gut health. If you feel better without it, don't eat it, but don't discouraged others from trying it just because you don't do well with it.

Lol this is a forum about discussing diet and you're telling me not do discuss it. You are silly.

 

[TheHound]

to everyone in this thread that feels better without dairy: were you eating/supplementing lots of zinc when you were consuming dairy?

 

[damngoodcoffee]

I've been doing really low fat for about a week or so and i feel like i tolerate milk a lot better. Does that make any sense?
Also, my tongue is less white/yellow on really low fat.

 

[tca300]

Lol this is a forum about discussing diet and you're telling me not do discuss it. You are silly.

" Of course Ray thinks progesterone is something inherently positive for everyone "
When you say that Ray feels a certain way about something thats abviously not supported by what he says and tells people, that makes you silly. Those kinds of things get me upset. That kind of thing happens alot on this forum, please do more research, so as to not slander a great man. Thanks.

 

[postman]

If anyone still cares, I do well on raw dairy. Raw milk and cheeses make me feel great and don't cause the same type of problems for me.

 

[Travis]

I eat raw cheese sometimes. Is is hard to stop, so I end up eating about 1/2 lb at once.

Emmentaler Swiss is low-fat raw milk from cows.

And here in Wisconsin, we have raw goat cheese!!! https://www.wisconsincheesemart.com...op_item_image/1219rawgoatcheddar-web2-jpg.jpg

Goats are was cuter than cows.

 

[johnwester130]

this is impossible on the peat lifestyle ?

 

[Elephanto]

estrogen is present in dairyfat. Nonfat milk has the least and butter the most. Levels in nonfat milk are very low.

Completely false. In a pubmed study, skimmed milk would raise estrogen levels to the exact same level that whole milk did.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Completely false. In a pubmed study, skimmed milk would raise estrogen levels to the exact same level that whole milk did.

I'd like to see this study. Here is mine:

Estrone and 17beta-estradiol concentrations in pasteurized-homogenized milk and commercial dairy products. - PubMed - NCBI

Estrone concentrations averaged 2.9, 4.2, 5.7, 7.9, 20.4, 54.1 pg/mL, and 118.9 pg/g in skim, 1%, 2%, and whole milks, half-and-half, cream, and butter samples, respectively.

17Beta-estradiol concentrations averaged 0.4, 0.6, 0.9, 1.1, 1.9, 6.0 pg/mL, and 15.8 pg/g in skim, 1%, 2%, whole milks, half-and-half, cream, and butter samples, respectively. The amount of fat in milk significantly affected E(1) and E(2) concentrations in milk. Organic and conventional dairy products did not have substantially different concentrations of E(1) and E(2). Compared with information cited in the literature, concentrations of E(1) and E(2) in bovine milk are small relative to endogenous production rates of E(1) and E(2) in humans.

 

[Travis]

Exactly. Does this look like a water-soluble chemical to you?

Estrone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia