Of course they can't pass an OGTT....they're ******* diabetics They can't tolerate glucose......which is exactly ******* why I'm saying they SHOULDN'T consume glucose. Do you even realize how massively you're contradicting yourself??? You're saying flat out "those people can't tolerate glucose....so they should consume a bunch of glucose". It astounds me that people would hold your advice with any regard. You're genuinely not very intelligent.cliff said:Asimov said:Read the 50 or comments of diabetics saying "I went low carb, hba1c dropped X points, got off insulin". Go there and tell them how ******* retarded they are.
I'm sure anonymous internet comments are what we should base our conclusions on. Those people are ******* retarded, you and them don't get why low carb works in the short term. Here's a pro-tip, your eating barely any carbs hahaha. It won't help you ever be able to eat more carbs, the opposite actually. I guarantee most of those "50 commenters" can't pass a OGTT.
Still waiting on those 80 studies that show honey is superior to fruits, that's pretty important info
I agree. But what it does do is...Charlie said:Just because you are starving yourself of sugar(low carb) and blood sugar levels go down does not mean you "cured" your diabetes. It means you are starving yourself of sugar. :2cents
A) allows the diabetic to get OFF insulin (which is a worthwhile goal in and of it's self)
B) allows them to improve body composition (which is a worthwhile goal in and of it's self)
C) reduce systemic inflammation, and
D) (most importantly) buy them some healthy time to reduce iron levels which improves the bodies response to insulin, allowing them actually CURE diabetes
As I mentioned, high iron levels are the most likely cause of diabetes, not carbs (this is important, because this thread turned into a debate about sugar consumption. However, my MAIN point was that high iron is the driver of diabetes.) The low carbs are a temporary fix to keep your blood sugar values in control while you attack the root cause of the problem. It's no different than putting a cast on a broken arm. Yes....the cast is compensating for a physiological problem. And no, it has NOTHING to do with healing the problem. What it does is sets up a safe environment where your body can fix the problem without risking further damage.
These are things that staying on a high sugar diet will NOT do. As evidence by diabetes support groups across the country, the people who eat high carbohydrates never do as well as those who go low carbohydrate. Studies and informal observation has shown the same thing time and time again: those on high carbohydrate diets use more insulin, gain more fat, and are generally less healthy than those who go low carb. The root cause of the problem is iron and liver damage, but in between the time when you start your diet and your liver repairs, low carb is absolutely the way to go for the best quality of life.
So I reiterate for the original poster: Phlebotomy, copper, low carb consumption save pure fructose and/or honey, vitamin E and C supplementation, and lots and lots and lots of saturated fat.