Heated Honey Is Dangerous

[achillea]

We were listening to a bee keeper interview and he said that heating honey over 150 F created toxic chemicals that hurt digestion and some were actually carcinogenic.

We called our beekeeper in Arizona and he confirmed it was not a good idea to heat honey as it destroyed the very beneficial components.

Sure enough

Does Cooking Honey Make it Toxic? | The Healthy Home Economist

 

[B-styles]

Ancient Ayurvedic texts states the same

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

Hum... interesting, maybe that's why I don't tolerate honey very well.

 

[InChristAlone]

Yeah honey isn't even considered honey unless it hasn't been ultra processed. And 75% of grocery store honey is ultra processed. Raw local honey is probably best anyway so you are modulating response to pollen.

 

[Steven Bussinger]

Your honey should crystallize. I talked to one of my beekeepers and she said the Europeans (I'm in the US) only buy crystallized honey because that means it's real.

 

[Fractality]

Your honey should crystallize. I talked to one of my beekeepers and she said the Europeans (I'm in the US) only buy crystallized honey because that means it's real.

Does having the honeycomb in it mean it is raw?

 

[Steven Bussinger]

Does having the honeycomb in it mean it is raw?

Not explicitly. They could still cook the honeycomb. But since the honeycomb is a product sought by a more health conscious market, it would make sense for it to be raw.

 

[Barry]

I don't know about only crystallized honey being acceptable. What about tupelo honey? It is liquid because of the high fructose content, not because of heat processing, correct?

 

[boris]

Ancient Ayurvedic texts states the same

Ayurveda also says that meat makes you sick and steals energy from you . Also the study didn't prove anything in the realm of heated honey being dangerous. They only showed that heated honey mixed with gee produces HMF. They didn't prove that it is dangerous in any way and especially not heated honey alone.

The study revealed that heated honey (>140°C) mixed with ghee produces HMF which may produce deleterious effects and act as a poison in due course

 

[ExCarniv]

Your honey should crystallize. I talked to one of my beekeepers and she said the Europeans (I'm in the US) only buy crystallized honey because that means it's real.

True, I only buy crystallized honey and is the only one that I don't react bad, regular liquid honey always gaves me some allergic reaction.

 

[lampofred]

In yesterday's interview with Patrick Timpone, RP said that heated honey is toxic and should be avoided.

 

[boris]

@lampofred did they go into detail about what causes the toxicity? 140 celcius from the study is pretty high temp. I wonder if adding raw honey to coffee or tea has a negative effect.

 

[lampofred]

@lampofred did they go into detail about what causes the toxicity? 140 celcius from the study is pretty high temp. I wonder if adding raw honey to coffee or tea has a negative effect.

I think it was something about how heat damages the trace amino acids that are in honey and makes them toxic or something along those lines.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

I have a jar of honey at home in my cabinet and it still didn't crystallize. I love the taste of it, but it makes me feel so strange after consuming. It's sad, because I love honey, but it's good to know that it may be because it was either pasteurized or because it's fake. Of course, maybe I'm allergic to honey in general, but I'm open to trying real raw honey which is crystallized to see if it makes me feel good after eating it.

 

[ExCarniv]

I have a jar of honey at home in my cabinet and it still didn't crystallize. I love the taste of it, but it makes me feel so strange after consuming. It's sad, because I love honey, but it's good to know that it may be because it was either pasteurized or because it's fake. Of course, maybe I'm allergic to honey in general, but I'm open to trying real raw honey which is crystallized to see if it makes me feel good after eating it.

Back in the day I used to love honey, usually bought the regular liquid ones from the stores and gave me intense heartburn and acid reflux, till I started to buy non pasteurized, non filtered ones that crystalize and is like night and day, I eat it by spoonfuls and really like the taste, no issues.

 

[mangoes]

In yesterday's interview with Patrick Timpone, RP said that heated honey is toxic and should be avoided.

hey do you have a link to the latest interview? I can’t find it for some reason

 

[methylenewhite]

@Rafael Lao Wai You can search here for certified organic honey suppliers in your state. Cadastro Nacional de Produtores Orgânicos

 

[lampofred]

hey do you have a link to the latest interview? I can’t find it for some reason

OneradioNetwork- October 15th 2019 - Ray Peat Interview

 

[mangoes]

@lampofred thanks!

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

Back in the day I used to love honey, usually bought the regular liquid ones from the stores and gave me intense heartburn and acid reflux, till I started to buy non pasteurized, non filtered ones that crystalize and is like night and day, I eat it by spoonfuls and really like the taste, no issues.

Awesome to hear that you can eat it without problems now!