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More than the RDA? And can you explain whg more k+ is needed to male cortisol?
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@Otterbutt are you saying take Phosphatidyl in the am and none in the PM? I haven't heard of that at all so its interesting to see its effects.
Are you a believer that one isnt low cortisol but just deficient in thyroid?
@Otterbutt are you saying take Phosphatidyl in the am and none in the PM? I haven't heard of that at all so its interesting to see its effects.
Are you a believer that one isnt low cortisol but just deficient in thyroid?
I don't know how depleted you got, and I'm not an expert. If you had extreme energy deficit for a long time I'd expect it to take more than a month to recover, once you get recovery conditions. Conditions required for recovery probably depend on your state.Just a bit desperate as im a muscle head and im taking as long as it takes off the gym so i can feel great again. Month in and i legit feel the same it sucks.
You need Potassium for Cortisol. Otherwise your Progesterone will stay high without going into Cortisol.
concerning, why do the deer antlers raise cortisol? and b5?! should these then be avoided for most people, most people have cortisol levels far too high?Cordyceps, Rhodiola, Deer Antler, B5, Forskolin, Adrenal cortex glandular
-All these are great to increase cortisol.
I wonder whether in this scenario if you use too much cortisol-suppressing stuff, that might be actually detrimental?Cortisol synthesis and turnover is reduced in hypothyroid. So focus on improving thyroid function.
Also, as a male you might do better on preg and DHEA than progesterone.
Then you could throw andro in the mix as there is a synergistic effect between andro and DHEA.
I tend not to do well on cortisol lowering stuff so was looking into cascaras cortisol enzyme inhibiting effect.I wonder whether in this scenario if you use too much cortisol-suppressing stuff, that might be actually detrimental?
I might have been overusing cypro and my pulse was getting lower
I tend not to do well on cortisol lowering stuff so was looking into cascaras cortisol enzyme inhibiting effect. I read a paper idk if accurate but it that said when you inhibit 11b-hsd1 to lower cortsiol conversion from cortisone, the adrenals just pick up the slack & produce more cortisol to cover the loss from inhibition, when its working normally. so balances cortisol levels anyway
but the problems it mentioned are there can be affects on lowering glycogen so blood sugar might get effected, at least shown in dogs Effects of 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-1 inhibition on hepatic glycogenolysis and gluconeogenesis whole body and hepatic responses to the hormonal challenge were altered significantly during 11β-HSD1 inhibition. In particular, stimulation of hepatic glucose production was prevented and glucose utilization increased, thereby making exogenous glucose infusion necessary to match glycemic levels between groups.
and it mentioned something about adrenal atrophy if inhibiting the enzyme too much for too long. I remember reading a blog of someone who was replacing all their cortisol (had to be done with caution). just like all these things, it exists in the body for a reason, high end no good but trying to get it to zero is not good either. he talked about "wired but tired" exhaustion from having his baseline cortisol set point out of whack too low. not enough cortisol elevation on awakening so had daytime fatigue
for your consideration:Is there such thing as increasing cortisol in a healthy way or am i getting things mixed up..
I was in the camp that lowering cortisol will eventually (long period of healing and rest) allow healthy cortisol responses aka eventually having normal cortisol in the AM and slowly lowering throughout the day. I developed low cortisol because of being stressed 24/7 with over exercise and starch, estrogen dominance (low androgens)
Wouldn't fasting be detrimental in the healing process and in turn sabatoge any effort of regaining cortisol levels?
Being very actively athletic + high starch might = thiamine deficiency. Exercise burns calories and that process uses up thiamine; high starch also uses up thiamine.I developed low cortisol because of being stressed 24/7 with over exercise and starch, estrogen dominance (low androgens)
i have insomnia onset with 500mg HCL form, b complex with 100mg is ok thofor your consideration:
"Research on thiamine deficiency and adrenal functionThe importance of addressing thiamine status in adrenal fatigue
In my last blog I discussed the multi-system symptomology of adrenal fatigue and used the analogy of a home heating system to describe how ...synergyhw.blogspot.com
Given the ethical challenges that inducing a thiamine deficiency in humans would raise, much of the data on the effect of thiamine deficiency on adrenal function comes from studies in rats. One study showed that inducing thiamine deficiency in rats led to hyperstimulation of the zona fasciculata of the adrenal glands in 2 weeks causing increased corticosterone output followed by complete exhaustion in 4 weeks(8). Corticosterone is the chief glucocorticoid in rats whereas cortisol fills that role in humans. While this is obviously an extreme example of thiamine deficiency and its effect on the adrenal gland, it does underscore the importance of thiamine in adrenal function."
Being very actively athletic + high starch might = thiamine deficiency. Exercise burns calories and that process uses up thiamine; high starch also uses up thiamine.
Effects of thiamine supplementation on exercise-induced fatigue - PubMed
High-dose thiamine (vitamin B1) supplementation (100 mg/day) may be helpful in preventing or accelerating recovery from exercise-induced fatigue. Sixteen volunteer male athletes volunteer, 8 with a blood thiamine level of 40 ng/ml or more (normal thiamine group) and 8 with levels below that...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
OK. I have read that it's important to take all of the day's thiamine by 3:00pm because taken later in the day it can cause that problem.i have insomnia onset with 500mg HCL form, b complex with 100mg is ok tho
Maybe, but by using cypro, you're modulating a lot of other things as well.I wonder whether in this scenario if you use too much cortisol-suppressing stuff, that might be actually detrimental?
I might have been overusing cypro and my pulse was getting lower