burtlancast
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Nothing that wasn't already known, but a good, well-made summary nonetheless.Nice catch..
Why does Norwegian kelp gives me rheumatic pain in my right arm? I had juvenile onset rheumatic arthritis until the age of 12 since age 4.Lol,
Yes, Abraham doesn't mince his words.
The arguments he makes are rock solid i think, and i believe he was quite upset when he stumbled on the truth about the "iodine being poisonous"racket.
Also quite revealing that even the corrupt WHO admits there's a worldwide whopping 70% iodine deficiency in the world.
Q: Is the Iodine Test Kit (from Dr. Abraham) valid and does it reveal thyroid deficiency?
RP: “Guy Abraham and some of his followers claim that an iodine deficiency can be shown by the quick disappearance of a spot of iodine painted on the skin. The skin test of iodine deficiency is completely unscientific. Iodine is converted to colorless iodide by reductants, including vitamin C, glutathione, and thiosulphate. “G. Abraham’s Iodine Test Kit contains iodine overdose pills. The test is completely irrational. It implies that the body should be saturated with iodine.”
So, not only does Ray misrepresent the national Japanese thyroid disease statistics, he even goes to the length of attributing to Abraham a test that he never devised and in fact always denounced.
Ray Peat thinks it is silly to "saturate the body" with Iodine so there is definitely a fundamental disagreement there with Brown, Abraham. If you read Brown's book you'll note that a lot of the patient success stories he brings up... nearly all of his patients who come to him complaining of hypothyroid symptoms, just about all of them were under 90% saturation and just about all of them felt better boosting it up. Generally it seems (based upon my observations reading his book so far) that you can get very crippling hypothyroid symptoms while being as high as 50-60% saturation based upon patients he saw so certainly, even 50% saturation is definitely not enough.
High dose iodide (6g/d!!) for a fungal infection in a man after caring for a stray cat, study attached:
I've posted this already, but i'm going to say it again: until de 70's, KI solution was used as an effective asthma treatment, at dosages between 5gr and 36 gr per day !
In my experience Kelp is always problematic. Drop that garbage and get some real pure iodine in the form of Lugol or KI.Why does Norwegian kelp gives me rheumatic pain in my right arm? I had juvenile onset rheumatic arthritis until the age of 12 since age 4.
↳ [48] Protective Effect of Moderated Dose of Iodine in Pancreatic Alterations during Hypothyroidism
Abstract said:Pancreatitis and insulitis are known causes of type 2 diabetes mellitus, and recently it has been shown that hypothyroidism can exacerbate these alterations. Molecular iodine (I2) exerts antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and anti-dyslipidemia effects in diverse tissues. The objective of this study was to evaluate the effect of the oral supplement of this halogen in the induction of prediabetic status in a model of pharmacological hypothyroidism.
Adult virgin rabbits of the Chinchilla breed were divided into control (n = 6) and hypothyroid (methimazole, MMI n = 6, 10 mg/kg in drinking water) groups, supplemented with moderate (MMI + I2 0.2 mg/kg; n= 6) and high dose of I2 (MMI + I2 2 mg/kg, n= 6).
The results showed that hypothyroidism (1 month) was accompanied by circulating elevations of total cholesterol, HDL, LDL (enzymatic methods) and sCD163 (Western blot). It also promoted pancreatitis (H & E, Masson's trichrome, and PAS stains, as well as western blot for CD163) and insulitis (PAS and Masson's trichrome stains). In the pancreas, hypothyroidism increased the beta-amyloid around vessels (Congo red stain); triglycerides (Folch method), lipoperoxidation (levels of malondialdehyde MDA, enzymatic method) and expression of insulin and GLUT4. A low cholesterol synthesis (Folch method and western blot for CYP51A1) and a decrease in the expression of PPARγ (immunohistochemistry and western blot) were also observed.
High doses of I2 supplement (2 mg/kg) aggravated pancreatic damage, promoting even islet amyloidosis and fibrosis. In contrast, the moderate dose of I2 (0.2 mg/kg) was able to prevent alterations in circulating lipids and in the pancreatic tissue. This prevention was accompanied by a significant decrease in the lipoperoxidation and a great expression of PPARγ.
These results describe for first time the anti-inflammatory and anti-dyslipidemia effect of the moderate dose of I2 in the pancreas and suggest the possible participation of PPARγ receptors. More studies are needed to analyze the therapeutic effect of iodine in chronic pancreatic diseases associated with inflammation.
That, and also a possible vitamin d deficiency, or insufficiency. There is unfortunately very little research done on iodine, as there is too little money to be made, but it seems, anecdotally, that higher dosages of iodine can deplete, amongst other things, vitamin d, and can thus cause an increase in rheumatic pains in susceptible persons.In my experience Kelp is always problematic. Drop that garbage and get some real pure iodine in the form of Lugol or KI.
Some studies claiming iodine is problematic are fundamentally flawed because they don't use selenium which is crucial for it to work.That, and also a possible vitamin d deficiency, or insufficiency. There is unfortunately very little research done on iodine, as there is too little money to be made, but it seems, anecdotally, that higher dosages of iodine can deplete, amongst other things, vitamin d, and can thus cause an increase in rheumatic pains in susceptible persons.
Sorry, I can't present much info at the moment, beyond mere conjecture and anecdotal evidence, which I don't have access to at the moment. But, as with selenium, it appears that iodine supplementation requires vitamin d sufficiency in order to safeguard, and potentially also heal, the thyroid in people with auto-immune conditions.Some studies claiming iodine is problematic are fundamentally flawed because they don't use selenium which is crucial for it to work.
Anyway Jam, I never knew about iodine depleting vitamin D. Do you have more info on that?
Besides selenium which is needed to not damage the thyroid, iodine will deplete many things because it ramps up metabolism so more of everything will be needed/used.
Abstract said:Background
The aim of this study was to discern whether a relation between biochemical parameters, sonography and musculoskeletal data exists in cases of hyperthyroidism and whether they are modifiable through supplementation with selenomethionine and magnesium citrate as well as by acupuncture and manual medicine methods.
Results
A direct correlation between whole blood selenium and serum magnesium was found in subjects without thyroid disease and in menopausal women while it was reversed in cases of thyroid diseases as well as in patients with depression, infection, and in infertile women. Vascularization indices were elevated in cases of newly diagnosed benign thyroid diseases. Musculoskeletal changes i.e. lateral tension and idiopathic moving toes, as well as situations of physical and psychological stress and minor trauma and infection led to an increase of vascularization. Magnesium levels correlated negatively with these two conditions. The supplementation brought a reduction of the vascularization indices and reduced the incidence of idiopathic moving toes. Treatment of lateral tension required manual medicine methods and acupuncture (gastrocnemius). A small subgroup of patients showed a further reduction of hyper-vascularization after receiving coenzyme Q10.
Conclusions
We interpret the elevated thyroid vascularization and low magnesium levels as signs of an inflammatory process related to the musculoskeletal changes. Improvement of thyroid function and morphology can be achieved after correcting the influence of stressors together with the supplementation regime. We hypothesize that the central biochemical event in thyroid disease is that of an acquired, altered mitochondrial function due to deficiency of magnesium, selenium, and coenzyme Q10.
Abstract said:A direct method for the determination of plasma inorganic iodine (PII) is described. After separation from protein-bound iodine by ultrafiltration, the PII is determined by neutron activation analysis. In material from thirty-nine normal subjects a range of 7.9–88.3 nM was observed, with a mean value of 31.5 nM.