Men have friends for two reasons

[Herbie]

Those don't sound like friendships by definition.

I can’t make this up, it’s about women and nations.

 

[Herbie]

Hahaha

I am socially awkward because I’m not a normal person, I don’t try to fit it into society, I don’t respect the hierarchy, I read constantly, I think for myself and do what I want so pretty much the opposite of main stream society.

 

[FocusedOnHealth]

idk man leaders like Trudeau do not act like typical male tyrants… and the form of violence Trudeau inflicted on his people was not of anything but masculine. Underhand manipulation through media… lies and excuses… everything catty and psychological - a violence that tries to hide itself like a sneaky cat trying to cover up its own ***t. The opposite of the blatant (& honest) violence of a male spirit. I’m not advocating violence or tyranny of any kind. And I’m certainly not blaming women for the behaviour of weak men. But that’s just how I see it.

Trudeau is a girly man. Not a normal man at all. Just look at his wardrobe in various photos lol. He doesn’t even know how to cross his legs like a guy.

 

[Jerkboy]

I enjoy company of men and women but in different scenarios.

I was just sick last week and in this case I crave the company of women. Not my male friends. Women have a calming energy/vibe. No matter what age. Men are harsher and colder in that sense and not that great to be around when you are weaker/sick (flu).

But in times of action, adventure, fun, etc. It is actually men who are more fun to be around in this case. You can lift each other up. It is like a whirlwind of energy to create a place/space in this life. If you are around men who push hard through life you will get sucked in and pulled along with it. That is how strong the combined energy of men is.

 

[Androsclerosis]

I've noticed that all my friendships began to diminish the moment we no longer engaged in any shared activity. Men seem to bond through doing, whereas women bond through talking. Simply talking to my friends on whatsapp or face to face has not been enough to maintain the friendship.


There are only so many ways to service others that require bonding with other males.


Same, and I never know if it's because they're intimidated by me or because they don't care for me that much.

You can't be yourself, it's just about being natural. Men don't want to maintain friendships with you because it's impossible to connect with a robot.

 

[Androsclerosis]

I enjoy company of men and women but in different scenarios.

I was just sick last week and in this case I crave the company of women. Not my male friends. Women have a calming energy/vibe. No matter what age. Men are harsher and colder in that sense and not that great to be around when you are weaker/sick (flu).

But in times of action, adventure, fun, etc. It is actually men who are more fun to be around in this case. You can lift each other up. It is like a whirlwind of energy to create a place/space in this life. If you are around men who push hard through life you will get sucked in and pulled along with it. That is how strong the combined energy of men is.

Well said

 

[Nomane Euger]

You can't be yourself, it's just about being natural. Men don't want to maintain friendships with you because it's impossible to connect with a robot.

hi,i dont understand the first part.why do you consider the sir a robot?

 

[Eberhardt]

I am socially awkward because I’m not a normal person, I don’t try to fit it into society, I don’t respect the hierarchy, I read constantly, I think for myself and do what I want so pretty much the opposite of main stream society.

Thats fine. No harm in that and there are others out there whos alike

 

[TheSir]

You can't be yourself, it's just about being natural. Men don't want to maintain friendships with you because it's impossible to connect with a robot.

Wait, I'm a robot? That would explain so much.

 

[MetabolicTrash]

I am socially awkward because I’m not a normal person, I don’t try to fit it into society, I don’t respect the hierarchy, I read constantly, I think for myself and do what I want so pretty much the opposite of main stream society.

Wow. If anyone could put a snippet of text to describe me to a T you did it unintentionally. LOL

Also interesting discussion here. I will share some experiences. From my "social life" I have found that most guys do not really want to be friends with you -- the "bros bro" guys just try to reach out as part of social convention.

They are "bros" to you in the sense that they are finely conditioned to act that way -- basically a term called "virtue signaling" or such may overlap with this.

Like @TheSir said guys being your "friend" is not really always what you think. See if guys have nothing to immediately bond over, are they friends?

It is like people say that men and women cannot be friends. Guys have approached me in a friendly manner ... Women never. Women never try to be my "friend." Unless you mean "friend" that penetrates them and pleasures them ... But that is not a "friend" that is a "girlfriend" or whatever. No girl tries to be friendly. Girls know to not be "friendly" with guys because it is a hard bargain on them AKA misleading or mixed signals sorta thing.

Do women want to lure a guy on a false pretense? Not that no female can be friendly ... Just that I have never witnessed a "friendly" woman so much as "woman who is nice to you because she wants something from you ... Like your $#%@ and prowess."

Guys have actually been friendly to me. Women? Just awkward and confusing for everyone if any girl tries to be "friendly" to a guy she is not attracted to.

See women sometimes can be the biggest c@$% ever ... Just like guys can be major douches too. But when there is something in it to gain ... When you really feel a certain way about someone ... I think people will change somewhat. A guy will be friends with another guy like the OP states ... When they have something in connection or common.

Just friends because close? Yeah if childhood type friendship that develops and is organic and seemingly "perfect" but that is rare.

Women seem to only be a guy's friend when they want to follow convention or use him or are smitten over him (want him to be her man ... You know what I mean here).

But it is pretty basic the other way around too. See this site is pretty "based" but many still sugarcoat things. Reality is most people only want "friends" they can benefit from.

Some of us are not fitting character arcs for certain others ... Or are not wildly extroverted ot estrogenic or have some development "conditions" that make us a certain way ... So most get no benefit out of us.

Yeah you can be attractive and get relationships and love through that ... That is all I can hope for ... I know I have no real "use" for anyone at this point ... So the fact that I have essentially no real "friends" is all but normal given that I am nothing inherently phenomenal (wealthy, popular, attractive looking, etc.)

Hell even people with those attributes above can still be lonely for other reasons ... So imagine someone without them who is not "conditioned" to some social cog or virtue of being/environmental fitness of being in such a place in life where you have the "privilege" of not understanding what it means to really be alone and hopeless or left to fend for yourself and try to fight to survive (which is usually a guy problem, but probably some few women can feel this way too).

I can give forum members here as examples. A businessman like Georgi obviously has "friends" ... Duh. He is a businessman whose life naturally enveloped a certain way to condition him to have connections with others. Now imagine everything about him is the same as you can mentally envision him now, but make him a Burger King employee with minimum wage who lives in a poor neighborhood and lives with family because he can't survive on his own.

See some are "useful" when we essentially boil down their use to what they have to offer. If someone has no friends it is a good argument that others will not benefit from them much. Georgi offers services and sells and does business ... Clearly this is a path to friendship. He has his "power" or tools and resources and means and purpose. But take all this away and make him the same guy who grew up in the "hood" with no money and tons of family stress and struggles, no scientific knowledge, low pay, zero status and no outreach or resourcefulness whatsoever.

What would he be? Possibly not even alive for all we know. People do not connect the dots ... Your life like Ray states is due to how you grew up ... Largely uncontrollable factors "burned" in to you that -- although changeable, yes -- can be a lifelong nightmare people do not understand who had the privilege to develop in better conditions due to their sex, envrionment, family, even facial features.

Friendship is about benefits. Know the phrase "friends with benefits?" The implication is that the sex would be the true "benefits" as if being a friend with a girl and a guy nonsexually would be friends with ... No benefits? Interesting when you think about it this way.

Guys are just friends with other guys for the "benefits" as well ... To smoke weed with; for Chad to brag to his buddies about how many girls he has in love with; for guys in certain places in life to band together. But essentially some come to realize that friends are not always useful ... Sometimes in fact more stressful.

I could have friends I guess ... Maybe the brutal truth is that I do not want to alter myself for the sake of "friendship." But really you have to live it to understand it ... No one here with "friends" or in "relationships" or such will often analyze and realize how it all comes to be ... Energy for energy ... You have some purpose to someone else or you don't.

For some guys looks is all their purpose is ... They are not built or did not develop a certain way to have the outlook on life you want them to. No, cypro, aspirin, etc. will not magically make you change your personality or do a 180 on everything you believe at whim always. What Ray mostly says is all true ... Because he has the knowledge ... But it is up to you to piece it all together and accept the cold, hard facts as you see (or sometimes fail or choose to not).

 

[kyle]

I can’t make this up, it’s about women and nations.

Well, that is sad. "Friend" is used in many ways but there is a real differentiation of what is a real friend.

Your first example seems more accurately a work colleague. The second example of seeking out company out of boredom or loneliness is just that - a kind of relationship of convenience or desperation. Either could lead to friendship but I wouldn't define either case as 'friends.'

A real friend is someone where fondness and self-sacrifice exists. That type of friendship grows out of experiences, going through adversity, deeply shared beliefs and mutual trust - etc, etc. Much could be said.

Your definition of friendship in general is completely shortsighted.

If your point was modern people don't have many real friends, it's hard to disagree. Modern life is structured so that relationships are transient and transactional. School and work are unhealthy environments and more young men are isolated because of video games and porn - just to name a few reasons.

 

[Androsclerosis]

hi,i dont understand the first part.why do you consider the sir a robot?

High serotonin

 

[DonLore]

And some people even think you cant be friends with girls??? Many of my closest friends are women. Wtf kinda autistic thread this is.. raypeatforum was about science but now some incels have come here to make this place seem laughable and biased

 

[Nomane Euger]

And some people even think you cant be friends with girls??? Many of my closest friends are women. Wtf kinda autistic thread this is.. raypeatforum was about science but now some incels have come here to make this place seem laughable and biased

Hi,science is about trying to make associations with the highest degree of credibility,even these"autistics thread" are about peoples thinking they are sharing their experiences and they associations with the highest degree of credibility,so no difference beteen the 2,unless you can feel that the degree of credibility of the associations is very low,and/or the person sharing her experience is biased."science"doesnt have a special status above other peoples experiences if the persons sharing their experience are good observers,and it can help you perceive things from another perspective,experiment yourself,and see what hold true,same as "science".and this post is not autistic,the Op is questionning whats the nature of the intentions,feelings that we experience when we spend time with peoples,and if,even if say most peoples today talk to each other for what they have to bring to each other,it doesnt mean that they are conscious of it,neither that they dont feel anything for each other

 

[Nomane Euger]

I could have friends I guess ... Maybe the brutal truth is that I do not want to alter myself for the sake of "friendship." But really you have to live it to understand it ... No one here with "friends" or in "relationships" or such will often analyze and realize how it all comes to be ... Energy for energy ... You have some purpose to someone else or you don't.

For some guys looks is all their purpose is ... They are not built or did not develop a certain way to have the outlook on life you want them to. No, cypro, aspirin, etc. will not magically make you change your personality or do a 180 on everything you believe at whim always. What Ray mostly says is all true ... Because he has the knowledge ... But it is up to you to piece it all together and accept the cold, hard facts as you see (or sometimes fail or choose to not).

first part you are right,its "energy for energy"in most cases,not that they perceive it this way,just that if someone doesnt make you feel feeling(s)that you appreciate, or doesnt bring you something that make you feel feeling(s)that you enjoy, you wont have the tendencie to talk to her.there is situations where a first man spend time wwith a second man that make him feel bad most of the times,but its a mix of learned helplessness and a delusional hope that the second person will stop acting/Saying things that make the first person feeling bad,and that the second person will give him recognition,acknowledge him.but it doesnt mean you compromise yourself by engaging in friendship,and doesnt mean its not worth it,as long at it make you feel better.

"No, cypro, aspirin, etc. will not magically make you change your personality or do a 180 on everything you believe at whim always."
if thats your own experience i respect it,if you make it a generalisation,you are wrong,drastic personality changes can happen daily,in a span of a few days,weeks.but if you feel timide,insecure,you are submerge by others perception in your on head,and you dont exempt yourself from the environnemental factors making you be this way,and you dont add things that increase your power,quietude and make you care way less about other projected perception in your on head,you will be the same up until you die.also something i invite you to realise,there is certains behaviors that you usually have,when interacting with certai peoples,and even if you feel powerfull at some point,you might fall into repeating this very same behavior as you are used to behaving this way,and it will diminish your power,you must realise what increase your power and what diminish it,and exempt yourself from these things that diminish your power

 

[ursidae]

Wow. If anyone could put a snippet of text to describe me to a T you did it unintentionally. LOL

Also interesting discussion here. I will share some experiences. From my "social life" I have found that most guys do not really want to be friends with you -- the "bros bro" guys just try to reach out as part of social convention.

They are "bros" to you in the sense that they are finely conditioned to act that way -- basically a term called "virtue signaling" or such may overlap with this.

Like @TheSir said guys being your "friend" is not really always what you think. See if guys have nothing to immediately bond over, are they friends?

It is like people say that men and women cannot be friends. Guys have approached me in a friendly manner ... Women never. Women never try to be my "friend." Unless you mean "friend" that penetrates them and pleasures them ... But that is not a "friend" that is a "girlfriend" or whatever. No girl tries to be friendly. Girls know to not be "friendly" with guys because it is a hard bargain on them AKA misleading or mixed signals sorta thing.

Do women want to lure a guy on a false pretense? Not that no female can be friendly ... Just that I have never witnessed a "friendly" woman so much as "woman who is nice to you because she wants something from you ... Like your $#%@ and prowess."

Guys have actually been friendly to me. Women? Just awkward and confusing for everyone if any girl tries to be "friendly" to a guy she is not attracted to.

See women sometimes can be the biggest c@$% ever ... Just like guys can be major douches too. But when there is something in it to gain ... When you really feel a certain way about someone ... I think people will change somewhat. A guy will be friends with another guy like the OP states ... When they have something in connection or common.

Just friends because close? Yeah if childhood type friendship that develops and is organic and seemingly "perfect" but that is rare.

Women seem to only be a guy's friend when they want to follow convention or use him or are smitten over him (want him to be her man ... You know what I mean here).

But it is pretty basic the other way around too. See this site is pretty "based" but many still sugarcoat things. Reality is most people only want "friends" they can benefit from.

Some of us are not fitting character arcs for certain others ... Or are not wildly extroverted ot estrogenic or have some development "conditions" that make us a certain way ... So most get no benefit out of us.

Yeah you can be attractive and get relationships and love through that ... That is all I can hope for ... I know I have no real "use" for anyone at this point ... So the fact that I have essentially no real "friends" is all but normal given that I am nothing inherently phenomenal (wealthy, popular, attractive looking, etc.)

Hell even people with those attributes above can still be lonely for other reasons ... So imagine someone without them who is not "conditioned" to some social cog or virtue of being/environmental fitness of being in such a place in life where you have the "privilege" of not understanding what it means to really be alone and hopeless or left to fend for yourself and try to fight to survive (which is usually a guy problem, but probably some few women can feel this way too).

I can give forum members here as examples. A businessman like Georgi obviously has "friends" ... Duh. He is a businessman whose life naturally enveloped a certain way to condition him to have connections with others. Now imagine everything about him is the same as you can mentally envision him now, but make him a Burger King employee with minimum wage who lives in a poor neighborhood and lives with family because he can't survive on his own.

See some are "useful" when we essentially boil down their use to what they have to offer. If someone has no friends it is a good argument that others will not benefit from them much. Georgi offers services and sells and does business ... Clearly this is a path to friendship. He has his "power" or tools and resources and means and purpose. But take all this away and make him the same guy who grew up in the "hood" with no money and tons of family stress and struggles, no scientific knowledge, low pay, zero status and no outreach or resourcefulness whatsoever.

What would he be? Possibly not even alive for all we know. People do not connect the dots ... Your life like Ray states is due to how you grew up ... Largely uncontrollable factors "burned" in to you that -- although changeable, yes -- can be a lifelong nightmare people do not understand who had the privilege to develop in better conditions due to their sex, envrionment, family, even facial features.

Friendship is about benefits. Know the phrase "friends with benefits?" The implication is that the sex would be the true "benefits" as if being a friend with a girl and a guy nonsexually would be friends with ... No benefits? Interesting when you think about it this way.

Guys are just friends with other guys for the "benefits" as well ... To smoke weed with; for Chad to brag to his buddies about how many girls he has in love with; for guys in certain places in life to band together. But essentially some come to realize that friends are not always useful ... Sometimes in fact more stressful.

I could have friends I guess ... Maybe the brutal truth is that I do not want to alter myself for the sake of "friendship." But really you have to live it to understand it ... No one here with "friends" or in "relationships" or such will often analyze and realize how it all comes to be ... Energy for energy ... You have some purpose to someone else or you don't.

For some guys looks is all their purpose is ... They are not built or did not develop a certain way to have the outlook on life you want them to. No, cypro, aspirin, etc. will not magically make you change your personality or do a 180 on everything you believe at whim always. What Ray mostly says is all true ... Because he has the knowledge ... But it is up to you to piece it all together and accept the cold, hard facts as you see (or sometimes fail or choose to not).

why do you have to turn everything into a rant about "Chad" and how awful women are?

 

[noodlecat]

Being a hermit is good? If a man isn't in service in some way either to his family or to his community then he has no purpose.

lol

 

[Eberhardt]

Being a hermit is good? If a man isn't in service in some way either to his family or to his community then he has no purpose.

While I definately think friendship is a real boon, I think calling it having no purpose misses the point. Its a very ineffective way to lead a fullfilling life, but purpose?

If you mean he has no percieved function for society if he is not part of society, that is of course right, but thats redundant like saying if you move out of a house you do not live in that house anymore...

 

[Eberhardt]

social interactions do not exclude talking to each other for mutual benefit

No, but even more its true in reverse- mutual benefit at times does not exclude loyalty, fondness etc.

 

[Nomane Euger]

No, but even more its true in reverse- mutual benefit at times does not exclude loyalty, fondness etc.

yea,i said in my comments that perceived mutual benefits do not make the feelings not worth it in it self