sladerunner69
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Topical DHEA and pregnenolone + caffeine + Frolov device (all to keep CO2 levels up.)
How much topical dhea/preg do you take daily? And what is your dosageplit?
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Topical DHEA and pregnenolone + caffeine + Frolov device (all to keep CO2 levels up.)
6-7 cups coffee throughout the day, and haidut's Pansterone (4 drops 3-4 x/day)How much topical dhea/preg do you take daily? And what is your dosageplit?
6-7 cups coffee throughout the day, and haidut's Pansterone (4 drops 3-4 x/day)
For the Pansterone, that's 2.5 mg topical DHEA and 2.5 mg topical pregnenolone x4/day, so 10 mg each. The estrogen conversion doesn't really apply to the potentiated dose (it favor androgenic production anyway.)Whoahoohooo!!! that is quite a load of pansterone man. Considerring dsmo has a potentiating factor of 10x, isnt that dosage akin to taking 20mgDHEA+20mg pregnenelone? If done 3 times that is 60mg DHEA per day!! The limit is supposed to be around 10-15 before it strts converting to estrogen!
And speaking of 6-7 cups of coffee, is that one measured cup, or a large mug or something?
For the Pansterone, that's 2.5 mg topical DHEA and 2.5 mg topical pregnenolone x4/day, so 10 mg each. The estrogen conversion doesn't really apply to the potentiated dose (it favor androgenic production anyway.)
For the coffee; it's instant. 6-7 teaspoons of instant Folger's coffee mixed with milk, sugar, gelatin, coconut oil, taurine, creatine, and 2 TSP salt. Blend.
Right, but topical application favors androgenic conversion over estrogenic conversion.Havent you read about the potentiating effect that dmso has on steroids? Haduit explains that any steroid mixed with dmso is 10x as effective. That is why just 5mg of his pregenenlone/dmso product is needed.
@sladerunner69Yet another question - why favor topical administration? There are several reasons but the most important ones are that topical administration of steroids like DHEA increase both their half-life and effectiveness. In addition, topical administration of DHEA has been shown to favor the androgenic pathways of conversion, thus reducing even further concerns about potential estrogenicity of DHEA. With topical application of a single dose of Pansterone, a person is probably getting the same effects as 100mg+ oral DHEA and WITHOUT the estrogenic side effects. Here are some additional sources discussing these issues.
http://examine.com/supplements/dehydroe ... summary3-0
"...Interestingly, no differences were seen in circulating DHEA, testosterone or estrogen levels between the cream or gel yet the cream resulted in significantly higher androstenedione concentration at 24 hours and topical administration in general favored androgen metabolism more than oral administration."
"...Topical administration also shows larger blood values of hormones over a period of days; although suggestive of a potentiating effect, this may be due to the effects of DHEA applied topically lasting more than 24 hours.[31] Over a period of 12 months, serum levels of daily application are similar to those seem when measured at 28 days."
"...Topical administration appears to have comparable overall bioavailability (percent hitting the bloodstream) when compared to oral ingestion. Topical seems to influence androgens like testosterone more than oral ingestion, and although there are no differences in the short term DHEA cream appears to be better than DHEA gel."
High bioavailability of dehydroepiandrosterone administered percutaneously in the rat. - PubMed - NCBI
"...By the oral route, on the other hand. DHEA has only 10-15% of the activity of the compound given percutaneously. Taking the bioavailability obtained by the subcutaneous route as 100%, it is estimated that the potencies of DHEA by the percutaneous and oral routes are approximately 33 and 3% respectively."
The last quote above effectively states that topical Pansterone is about 6-10 times more potent as oral.
WARNING: It is crucial not to exceed 15mg total DHEA daily dose use even with topical administration. This amounts to using no more than 3 daily doses of Pansterone. The reason for this restriction is that even with topical administration, human studies found that estrogen went up when the total daily dose of DHEA exceeded 18mg (6g of a 0.3% DHEA cream). Here is a study showing that effect:
http://www.hormonebalance.org/images/do ... 20JSBM.pdf
"...Serum estradiol (E2) followed a comparable pattern with the first significant increase being seen at the 0.3% DHEA cream concentration."
You find yourself weight stable on this amount of fat? How much carbs and protein do you eat?I've been eating 240 g fat/day; I feel fine. Pretty calm throughout the day. I think I'll bump it down to 180.
Not really about 170 g protein and 400-600 g carbs.You find yourself weight stable on this amount of fat? How much carbs and protein do you eat?
how much do you weigh and what is your activity level like?Not really about 170 g protein and 400-600 g carbs.
I'm 5'9", 210, 15% body fat. Moderately active on weekdays. Sedentary on weekends.how much do you weigh and what is your activity level like?
Quick question: Am I right in assuming the body will be more keen on storing belly fat (for men), as the metabolism heals? Let's assume the body has experienced a stressful stretch of time (gone into "hunger mode"). Once calories become plenty again the body stores some fat for future use, as a drought could be around the corner. Will the body then shed this fat after a period of refeeding, as it starts relaxing/not fearing another period of hunger and stress?
From my reading, there can be such trends.
But that doesn't guarantee exactly how much fat your particular body might want to hold on to even when it no longer considers itself in danger of famine (ie how much your natural/genetic fat might be), nor what it would take to convince it that it is safe (may depend on how long/hard you've stressed it, and what other unresolved stresses are going on in life).
May also be other factors involved other than straight calorie deficiency/sufficiency - eg the rest of ones nutritional status, other needs like light, breathing habits, etc.
What I have noticed about myself and many others is that it seems like those who are new and have more damaged metabolisms do best relying on simple sugars for carbs rather than starches and keeping a decent or moderate amount of fat. But once their metabolisms heal and digestion picks up, they can usually go very low fat without any problems and even do well on some starches. I have been Peating for a few years now and have been taking thyroid for a year and am now finding that I can do very low fat. In fact, I am currently experimenting with a very very low fat diet (under 10% of total caloric intake, at the very maximum) and I have been doing very great. I notice that I digest white rice and potatoes very well as long as they are cooked thoroughly. The only time I have been eating fat is with my last meal of the night (dinner). This allows me to stay very low fat while getting enough fat in with my last meal to slow down absorption of nutrients and help me sleep. I have also leaned out fairly well since starting this way of eating, despite eating as many carbs as I desire as long as my fat intake is very very low. I have no issues and take my fat soluble vitamins with my last meal which usually has some fat. I really think that if someone is really healthy, chances are they could do low fat with no problem as long as they get enough protein and carbs in. I actually feel better and have better mental clarity without eating all the fat, which, quite honestly, makes me feel sluggish and definitely doesn't help with staying lean.