Switched to soy milk

[Kavie]

I tried soy products in the 1990's. Morningstar Farms.
I lasted 5 days - I started to feel a weird build up under my skin - felt like acne was about to break out.
I guess bottom line if you feel OK - then go by that. I felt horrible and it did not take very long.

2005: ISRAELI HEALTH MINISTRY ISSUES SOY WARNING
Kaayla T. Daniel, PhD, author of The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food. “This is giant step forward. I hope that Israel's action will encourage other government agencies to alert their citizens to the fact that it is a myth that soy is a 'health food' and that there are very real dangers from making soy a staple of their diets. Dr. Daniel noted that there are hundreds of studies linking soy foods and soy infant formula to digestive problems, thyroid dysfunction, ADD/ADHD, dementia, reproductive disorders and even cancer. “The Israeli Ministry took this matter very seriously and based its advice upon the conclusions reached by a 13-member committee of nutritionists, oncologists, pediatricians and other specialists who spent more than a year examining the evidence. The committee concluded that the estrogen-like plant hormones in soy can cause adverse effects on the human body, including cancer promotion and reproductive problems. They strongly urged that consumption of soy foods be minimized until absolute safety has been proven. ”


SOY JUNK and how People are unaware of the Dangers of Soy
During the Chou Dynasty (246 BC) the soybean was designated one of the five sacred grains, along with barley, wheat, millet and rice. However, the pictograph for the soybean, which dates from earlier times, indicates that it was not first used as a food; for whereas the pictographs for the other four grains show the seed and stem structure of the plant, the pictograph for the soybean emphasises the root structure. Agricultural literature of the period speaks frequently of the soybean and its use in crop rotation. Apparently the soy plant was initially used as a method of fixing nitrogen. The soybean did not serve as a food until the discovery of fermentation techniques, some time during the Chou Dynasty.

The first soy foods were fermented products like tempeh, natto, miso and soy sauce. At a later date, possibly in the 2nd century BC, Chinese scientists discovered that a purée of cooked soybeans could be precipitated with calcium sulphate or magnesium sulphate (plaster of Paris or Epsom salts) to make a smooth, pale curd - tofu or bean curd. The use of fermented and precipitated soy products soon spread to other parts of the Orient, notably Japan and Indonesia. The Chinese did not eat unfermented soybeans as they did other legumes such as lentils because the soybean contains large quantities of natural toxins or "anti-nutrients". First among them are potent enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. These inhibitors are large, tightly folded proteins that are not completely deactivated during ordinary cooking. They can produce serious gastric distress, reduced protein digestion and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors cause enlargement and pathological conditions of the pancreas, including cancer.

Soybeans also contain haemagglutinin, a clot-promoting substance that causes red blood cells to clump together. Trypsin inhibitors and haemagglutinin are growth inhibitors. Weanling rats fed soy containing these antinutrients fail to grow normally. Growth-depressant compounds are deactivated during the process of fermentation, so once the Chinese discovered how to ferment the soybean, they began to incorporate soy foods into their diets. In precipitated products, enzyme inhibitors concentrate in the soaking liquid rather than in the curd. Thus, in tofu and bean curd, growth depressants are reduced in quantity but not completely eliminated.

Soy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function. Soybeans are high in phytic acid, present in the bran or hulls of all seeds. It's a substance that can block the uptake of essential minerals - calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc - in the intestinal tract. Although not a household word, phytic acid has been extensively studied; there are literally hundreds of articles on the effects of phytic acid in the current scientific literature. Scientists are in general agreement that grain- and legume-based diets high in phytates contribute to widespread mineral deficiencies in third world countries. Analysis shows that calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc are present in the plant foods eaten in these areas, but the high phytate content of soy- and grain-based diets prevents their absorption.

The soybean has one of the highest phytate levels of any grain or legume that has been studied,16 and the phytates in soy are highly resistant to normal phytate-reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking. Only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans. When precipitated soy products like tofu are consumed with meat, the mineral-blocking effects of the phytates are reduced.18 The Japanese traditionally eat a small amount of tofu or miso as part of a mineral-rich fish broth, followed by a serving of meat or fish. Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk severe mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well known; those of zinc are less so.

soy is the most toxic "food" I know of, probably worse than canola oil. If you check the westonaprice website they may have listings of farmers in your area with raw goat or cow milk. Usually tolerated better and full of healthy nutrients. I prefer the full sweet taste of raw cow milk but raw goat milk/cheese is good too.

 

[tankasnowgod]

According to cronometer it has less pufa than normal whole milk.

I find this hard to believe. The fat in soy is about 67% PUFA, as compared to about 3-4% in milk and beef.

Beyond that, you have the phytoestrogens in soy.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I'm older than most on this forum, and I've read varying articles about calcium and how it can end up in a person's arteries. I've read Dr. Levy's book, Death by Calcium.

I'm still wondering if you ever read Dr. Peat's article on calcium. He states that calcium is most likely to end up in arteries and soft tissues when the diet is low in calcium, because even if you get your calcium intake to zero, you still have a skeleton. This will cause the rise of hormones like PTH and Prolactin, which will make your blood calcium levels higher.

Calcium and Disease: Hypertension, organ calcification, & shock, vs. respiratory energy

Ray Peat

raypeat.com

The study in this thread demonstrates this happening-

Calcium Deficiency Increases Aromatase And Subsequent Estrogen In Male Rats

A calcium-deficient diet caused decreased bone mineral density and secondary elevation of estrogen in aged male rats-effect of menatetrenone and elcatonin. @haidut You will like this :)

raypeatforum.com

The rats with the lowest calcium intake all had the highest amount of calcium in their blood. And higher levels of PTH and 1,25(OH)2 Vitamin D, the so called "active" form-

 

[Matestube]

I switched to vegan type of milks from the alpro brand, and I digest it much better than normal whole milk which gives me massive diarrhea. According to cronometer it has less pufa than normal whole milk. Anyone with similar experiences as me?

So let me get this straight : you think you found a viable alternative to mammal's milk because advertising companies started calling soy water soy "milk", when the nutritional profile is entirely different to mammal's milk ?

There is no logic at all in your process.

 

[GreenTrails]

I'm still wondering if you ever read Dr. Peat's article on calcium. He states that calcium is most likely to end up in arteries and soft tissues when the diet is low in calcium, because even if you get your calcium intake to zero, you still have a skeleton. This will cause the rise of hormones like PTH and Prolactin, which will make your blood calcium levels higher.

Calcium and Disease: Hypertension, organ calcification, & shock, vs. respiratory energy

Ray Peat

raypeat.com

The study in this thread demonstrates this happening-

Calcium Deficiency Increases Aromatase And Subsequent Estrogen In Male Rats

A calcium-deficient diet caused decreased bone mineral density and secondary elevation of estrogen in aged male rats-effect of menatetrenone and elcatonin. @haidut You will like this :)

raypeatforum.com

The rats with the lowest calcium intake all had the highest amount of calcium in their blood. And higher levels of PTH and 1,25(OH)2 Vitamin D, the so called "active" form-


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Thank you for this information. I did read the Ray Peat article, "Calcium and Disease." Lots of information. I realize that dietary calcium is very important, and I also realize that soy in no way compares to milk. I did take 1/4 tsp. of my homemade eggshell this morning. And I will add goat kefir back into my diet. I have hard water, and I do take sodium bicarb. My next regular check up is coming up, and I will get my PTH checked. My last blood test that showed PTH was in 2020, and PTH Intact was 16 (Reference Range is listed as 11.5 - 76.3). I do eat beans, lentils, almonds and sardines, in addition to lots of dark leafy vegetables.

 

[Grapelander]

Chinese scientists discovered that a purée of cooked soybeans could be precipitated with calcium sulphate or magnesium sulphate (plaster of Paris or Epsom salts)

The author actually throws us a bone here - even though that is not his intent.

If you are cooking beans (Fabaceae family) boil with calcium sulfate or magnesium sulfate. Also pouring off the water at first boil.

Similar to what Peat noted about calcium hydroxide or ashes and cooking with corn.

 

[GreenTrails]

I find this hard to believe. The fat in soy is about 67% PUFA, as compared to about 3-4% in milk and beef.

Beyond that, you have the phytoestrogens in soy.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK7SwuIBM1Q

In this video, Eat to Beat Chronic Disease: Food is Medicine with William Li, M.D. he clearly states that soy does not increase breast cancer risk. He cites the Shanghai Breast Cancer Study with over 5,000 women with breast cancer which showed that women who ate more soy had a 29% reduction in risk of death, and a 32% reduction in cancer coming back. He says that all you need is 10 grams of soy protein per day, which is 1 cup of plain soy milk. He says that soy beans contain phytoestrogen (soy genistein), but that phytoestrogen is not the same chemical as human estrogen. He says, in fact, soy estrogen blocks the effect of human estrogen. He cited 14 studies that show higher survival rates for women who have had breast cancer in those who eat soy.

 

[boris]

I have switched to a 100% soy diet and feel better then ever.

 

[Dolomite]

I have switched to a 100% soy diet and feel better then ever.

Wow! Do you mind telling us what the meals are comprised of to be 100% soy?

 

[boris]

Wow! Do you mind telling us what the meals are comprised of to be 100% soy?

GO-SOYMAD diet (gallon of soymilk a day).

I feel fabulous.

 

[Dolomite]

GO-SOYMAD diet (gallon of soymilk a day).

I feel fabulous.

Thanks, I feel pretty gullible now.

 

[ThisWorld]

Stopped with these vegan type of "milks" because it eventually gave me lose stomach just like milk...

 

[Gânico]

 

[Atman]

This thread is pure blasphemy.

 

[pineywoodrooter]

I eat nothing but avocados.

 

[frannybananny]

Thank you. I do well with gluten-free grains. I do well with beans, lentils and I eat them a lot. I have gluten-free oatmeal almost every morning. That's where I need some kind of milk. I do use eggshell calcium. I'm older than most on this forum, and I've read varying articles about calcium and how it can end up in a person's arteries. I've read Dr. Levy's book, Death by Calcium. Yes, who doesn't love fresh-baked bread. I make my own "bread" now, using almond and coconut flour. I use the recipe in the GAPS book.

>>Do beans cause leaky gut?
Lectins, nature's own pesticides, are abundant in beans and legumes. Lectins are known to damage our gut barrier cells and cause intestinal permeability<<


"Gundry: There's nothing good in oatmeal. It's loaded with lectins. Most oatmeal even the ones that say gluten-free, cross react with gluten.Nov 13, 2019"

Sooooo watch out for the lectins, soak your organic beans overnight and slow cook for at least an hour or more. Pressure cooked beans are best.

 

[GreenTrails]

>>Do beans cause leaky gut?
Lectins, nature's own pesticides, are abundant in beans and legumes. Lectins are known to damage our gut barrier cells and cause intestinal permeability<<


"Gundry: There's nothing good in oatmeal. It's loaded with lectins. Most oatmeal even the ones that say gluten-free, cross react with gluten.Nov 13, 2019"

Sooooo watch out for the lectins, soak your organic beans overnight and slow cook for at least an hour or more. Pressure cooked beans are best.

Thank you, I soak Navy beans for two nights, then cook them overnight in my crockpot. I think I am in a different situation from most Ray Peat posters. I am following an anti-cancer diet. Both beans and oatmeal are recommended, plus all vegetables, garlic, Irice, lentils, chickpeas, nuts and lots of leafy greens and cruciferous vegetables. Meat and dairy fuel cancer growth from what I'm learning. Gundry seems obsessed with lectins, and I agree that some people need to be careful with them. I follow Chris Wark's diet recommendations (Chris Beat Cancer), Dr. Kristi Funk, Dr. William Li, Dr. Axe, and I learn from Chris Masterjohn and others. I do learn some things from this forum, but I'm mainly interested in anti-cancer information.

 

[frannybananny]

Thank you, I soak Navy beans for two nights, then cook them overnight in my crockpot. I think I am in a different situation from most Ray Peat posters. I am following an anti-cancer diet. Both beans and oatmeal are recommended, plus all vegetables, garlic, Irice, lentils, chickpeas, nuts and lots of leafy greens and cruciferous vegetables. Meat and dairy fuel cancer growth from what I'm learning. Gundry seems obsessed with lectins, and I agree that some people need to be careful with them. I follow Chris Wark's diet recommendations (Chris Beat Cancer), Dr. Kristi Funk, Dr. William Li, Dr. Axe, and I learn from Chris Masterjohn and others. I do learn some things from this forum, but I'm mainly interested in anti-cancer information.

The info I gave you on beans and oatmeal IS anti-cancer info. I eat all the stuff you eat except for oatmeal..... it's all GMO no matter what they say. Plus I eat meat and dairy. I feel soooo good after a nice cold glass of milk, possibly from the natural sugars in it. I don't think sugar is bad and agree with Ray Peat when he says it can be a viable pure source of energy, especially in fruits. If you feel good after eating a bowl of oatmeal and feel like MOVING, then go for it.

 

[GreenTrails]

The info I gave you on beans and oatmeal IS anti-cancer info. I eat all the stuff you eat except for oatmeal..... it's all GMO no matter what they say. Plus I eat meat and dairy. I feel soooo good after a nice cold glass of milk, possibly from the natural sugars in it. I don't think sugar is bad and agree with Ray Peat when he says it can be a viable pure source of energy, especially in fruits. If you feel good after eating a bowl of oatmeal and feel like MOVING, then go for it.

I have to be careful with any kind of sugar. Who doesn't love a glass of cold milk? I think a lot of people can eat sugar and drink milk, and they have no problems. Right now I want to get my A1c down (It's 5.6), and I want to get my cholesterol down (Last year Total Cholesterol was 272, HDL - 91; Triglycerides - 50). I'll be going in for my yearly tests in a couple of weeks. Thanks for your information.

 

[frannybananny]

I have to be careful with any kind of sugar. Who doesn't love a glass of cold milk? I think a lot of people can eat sugar and drink milk, and they have no problems. Right now I want to get my A1c down (It's 5.6), and I want to get my cholesterol down (Last year Total Cholesterol was 272, HDL - 91; Triglycerides - 50). I'll be going in for my yearly tests in a couple of weeks. Thanks for your information.

You might look into adding policosanol to your vitamin intake...it is known to reduce cholesterol and is "anti-cancer". ... berberine for controlling blood sugar and disrupts one cancer path. Good luck Dear!