Thoughts on Endoscopy Procedure

[x3britt45]

Ever since I had an endoscopy, I can now feel and hear the liquids going into my stomach. Even when I swallow my saliva, I can feel the LES open and go into the stomach. I am wondering if it's possible that they had damaged something. I have only noticed symptoms about a month after the procedure, which the only thing they found was gastritis. I don't notice it with foods, just liquids, like its being squeezed through a tiny valve. Also, when I drink a liquid, it goes to the bottom of esophagus, and then I hear it release and its like glug glug into the stomach, and anybody nearby would be able to also hear it. I also have a lot of belching, but the belching was prior to the procedure in March. I did not want to do this but was struggling with health issues and lost weight so wanted to get checked out to be sure.

Curious does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

 

[frannybananny]

Ever since I had an endoscopy, I can now feel and hear the liquids going into my stomach. Even when I swallow my saliva, I can feel the LES open and go into the stomach. I am wondering if it's possible that they had damaged something. I have only noticed symptoms about a month after the procedure, which the only thing they found was gastritis. I don't notice it with foods, just liquids, like its being squeezed through a tiny valve. Also, when I drink a liquid, it goes to the bottom of esophagus, and then I hear it release and its like glug glug into the stomach, and anybody nearby would be able to also hear it. I also have a lot of belching, but the belching was prior to the procedure in March. I did not want to do this but was struggling with health issues and lost weight so wanted to get checked out to be sure.

Curious does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

I'm supposed to get an endoscopy soon and now I'm nervous! Do you have any pain after the procedure? I've had an endo before and did not have any of the issues that you are mentioning. what is the LES?

 

[Peatress]

Someone posted this on another thread

Dirty Endoscopes Raise Risk for Patients

A new study released Friday discovered that an average of 15 percent of flexible endoscopes used to examine GI tracts and colons at five hospitals were dirty.

www.cnbc.com

 

[frannybananny]

Someone posted this on another thread

Dirty Endoscopes Raise Risk for Patients

A new study released Friday discovered that an average of 15 percent of flexible endoscopes used to examine GI tracts and colons at five hospitals were dirty.

www.cnbc.com

Yikes! Oh, that's just great. I'm starting to think I will just decline the endoscopy.

 

[Jkbp]

Yikes! Oh, that's just great. I'm starting to think I will just decline the endoscopy.

I can’t speak for everyone else but I’ve had 2 endoscopies in the last 4 years and the only side effect I had from either of them was a minor sore throat for one day. I suffer from chronic reflux and was happy to have the endoscopies done to check for internal damage.

 

[x3britt45]

I can’t speak for everyone else but I’ve had 2 endoscopies in the last 4 years and the only side effect I had from either of them was a minor sore throat for one day. I suffer from chronic reflux and was happy to have the endoscopies done to check for internal damage.

I guess if you have problems and need answers sometimes you just have to. Did they find anything with yours?

 

[haidut]

I can’t speak for everyone else but I’ve had 2 endoscopies in the last 4 years and the only side effect I had from either of them was a minor sore throat for one day. I suffer from chronic reflux and was happy to have the endoscopies done to check for internal damage.

Suppose they did find some damage. What would have been the treatment? There is none. There is nothing GI medicine can offer except "watchful waiting" - i.e. regular endoscopies - until you get a serious side effect from the procedures or something nasty develops and then they bring out the big guns (radiation, chemo, surgery). So, in my humble opinion, in the absence of serious symptoms (e.g. black stool, constant pain, etc) the only thing GI medicine will give you is a PTSD/anxiety.
@frannybananny

 

[Peatress]

Suppose they did find some damage. What would have been the treatment? There is none. There is nothing GI medicine can offer except "watchful waiting" - i.e. regular endoscopies - until you get a serious side effect from the procedures or something nasty develops and then they bring out the big guns (radiation, chemo, surgery). So, in my humble opinion, in the absence of serious symptoms (e.g. black stool, constant pain, etc) the only thing GI medicine will give you is a PTSD/anxiety.
@frannybananny

100% agree with this - I would even go further. Even if I had black stool I would not agree to have this procedure done again.

 

[David PS]

As 35 minute video on the procedure. It is not without complications.

John A. McDougall, MD: Up The Wrong Butt, Colonoscopy – Guidelines for Colorectal Cancer Prevention - Dr. McDougall

Read the latest on serious health-related issues and what you can do about them. Hear success stories from people who were helped by the McDougall Program.

www.drmcdougall.com

 

[Jkbp]

Suppose they did find some damage. What would have been the treatment? There is none. There is nothing GI medicine can offer except "watchful waiting" - i.e. regular endoscopies - until you get a serious side effect from the procedures or something nasty develops and then they bring out the big guns (radiation, chemo, surgery). So, in my humble opinion, in the absence of serious symptoms (e.g. black stool, constant pain, etc) the only thing GI medicine will give you is a PTSD/anxiety.
@frannybananny

This makes a lot of sense! I will refuse them in the future. Thanks

 

[frannybananny]

I can’t speak for everyone else but I’ve had 2 endoscopies in the last 4 years and the only side effect I had from either of them was a minor sore throat for one day. I suffer from chronic reflux and was happy to have the endoscopies done to check for internal damage.

Thanks for that Jkbp.

 

[frannybananny]

Suppose they did find some damage. What would have been the treatment? There is none. There is nothing GI medicine can offer except "watchful waiting" - i.e. regular endoscopies - until you get a serious side effect from the procedures or something nasty develops and then they bring out the big guns (radiation, chemo, surgery). So, in my humble opinion, in the absence of serious symptoms (e.g. black stool, constant pain, etc) the only thing GI medicine will give you is a PTSD/anxiety.
@frannybananny

I had an endoscopy several years ago, maybe 7, and what they found was a part of my stomach lining that had a strange "thickening" as they said. Well, they biopsy it right then and there and send a snippet to the lab. It was benign and that is good to know and they can see what it is right then and there. I guess that would be the only advantage.

 

[frannybananny]

100% agree with this - I would even go further. Even if I had black stool I would not agree to have this procedure done again.

Do you mean an endoscopy or a colonoscopy?

 

[x3britt45]

Suppose they did find some damage. What would have been the treatment? There is none. There is nothing GI medicine can offer except "watchful waiting" - i.e. regular endoscopies - until you get a serious side effect from the procedures or something nasty develops and then they bring out the big guns (radiation, chemo, surgery). So, in my humble opinion, in the absence of serious symptoms (e.g. black stool, constant pain, etc) the only thing GI medicine will give you is a PTSD/anxiety.
@frannybananny

Do you have any suggestions for healing the sphincters and vagus nerve?

 

[haidut]

Do you have any suggestions for healing the sphincters and vagus nerve?

Progesterone and glycine/gelatin seem to be good options to try first. In general, anything consisting of mostly muscle tissue (such as sphincters, and not just in the esophagus) would get weaker with age due to increasing catabolic/anabolic ratio of steroids (e.g. cortisol/DHEA in both sexes, cortisol/testosterone in males, progesterone/estrogens in females, etc). Progesterone is a cortisol antagonist both at the receptor level and enzymatically (-11b-HSD1, +11b-HSD2), so when used consistently it can negate the muscle weakening (and atrophying) effects of cortisol. Glycine has a similar effect, but more along the lines of inhibiting inflammation, though it can directly lower/oppose excess cortisol as well.

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[Peatress]

Do you mean an endoscopy or a colonoscopy?

I've had both.

 

[x3britt45]

100% agree with this - I would even go further. Even if I had black stool I would not agree to have this procedure done again.

Have you had any issues with the procedures? Or you just would choose not doing it again from what you know. I’m on the same board

 

[x3britt45]

Progesterone and glycine/gelatin seem to be good options to try first. In general, anything consisting of mostly muscle tissue (such as sphincters, and not just in the esophagus) would get weaker with age due to increasing catabolic/anabolic ratio of steroids (e.g. cortisol/DHEA in both sexes, cortisol/testosterone in males, progesterone/estrogens in females, etc). Progesterone is a cortisol antagonist both at the receptor level and enzymatically (-11b-HSD1, +11b-HSD2), so when used consistently it can negate the muscle weakening (and atrophying) effects of cortisol. Glycine has a similar effect, but more along the lines of inhibiting inflammation, though it can directly lower/oppose excess cortisol as well.

Glycine Can Completely Prevent Esophagus Damage Caused By GERD

As discussed in another thread by forum member @denise, using PPI drugs is really to no benefit for preventing inflammation of the esophagus and subsequent development of Barret's or even cancer. The GERD damage is based on an inflammatory reaction, as I mentioned in another post. As such, it...

raypeatforum.com

GERD (acid Reflux) Is Caused By Inflammation, Not Stomach Acid

I have always been suspicious of the massive GERD drug market and the fact that despite them being the most prescribed drugs in the USA, the incidence of esophageal cancer (which they were designed to prevent) has been rising with scary speed. The raw data from the clinical trials on PPI drugs...

raypeatforum.com

Aspirin (but Not Other NSAID) Treats Barrett’s Esophagus And Possibly GERD

The good news for aspirin just keep on coming. I posted a few studied in the past about GERD and its progressions Barrett’s esophagus, and esophageal cancer being caused by inflammation and not stomach acid. As such, PPI drugs are probably useless for treating and preventing GERD (since they...

raypeatforum.com

Thank you for the suggestions.

 

[Peatress]

Have you had any issues with the procedures? Or you just would choose not doing it again from what you know. I’m on the same board

It was a while ago so I can't really say. Put it this way, if I were in good health I would say it was harmless to me. However, I am not. I can't blame the procedure, I blame my stupidity.

 

[x3britt45]

It was a while ago so I can't really say. Put it this way, if I were in good health I would say it was harmless to me. However, I am not. I can't blame the procedure, I blame my stupidity.

I understand, and feel the same way