Too Low Estrogen ?

[sun-maid]

Hi everyone,

I learned about ray peat about 8 month ago throught Danny roddy and I made some change to adopt a more ray peat lifestyle. I think overall Im doing better, my pulse rate and temp are better, sleep is good. However, in the past couple of months, my libido is not very good (erection also..), I do get morning wood sometimes but thats about it.

I do take a lot of low grade peaty AI and I was wondering if low estrogen can kill your libido ? My eyes are also very dry, especially when I go to bed at night. (They are so dry that sometime it hurt when I opened them very fast). Some joint pain also, especially ankle when I wake up. My body hair also seems way thinner.

Supplement: 3 aspirin (3 times a day), 3/4 drop kuinone sublingual(oral), nettle root (3 times a day) and sometime vitamin e (tocovit, 8 drop oral, when I think about it)

My diet consist mostly of: eggs, butter, fruit, potato, red meat, gelatin, sausage, parmesan cheese, salt, oyster, liver, OJ, milk 1%, coffee, maple syrup, honey, bread, shrimp

Any advice or personal exprience would be greatly apreciated,
Thank you!

 

[Lokzo]

Without blood tests, it's hard to tell.

But you're definitely inhibiting aromatase and subsequent estradiol activity with that stack.

How are you feeling now?

 

[Arnold Grape]

I was wondering if low estrogen can kill your libido ?

Answer: yes.

 

[tankasnowgod]

What do you mean by "low libido?" If it's simply inability to get an erection, you might be thinning your blood too much. Are you taking 9 aspirin a day? That's about 3 grams. And some vitamin E on top. Even if you're taking 3 aspirin a day (can't quite tell the way you worded it), it could still be blood thinning effects. Why those doses? And what did you start from? If it's closer to 3 grams a day of aspirin, you could also be getting uncoupling effects. Are you eating enough to support the uncoupling?

The other things you listed are also very non-specific. As for dry eyes, there could be any number of causes, but do you look at a computer monitor/television/phone or tablet most of the day? Do you get outside during daylight hours? You might be getting excessive blue light, and not enough red.

 

[rob]

@sun-maid

["I was wondering if low estrogen can kill your libido"]Answer: yes.

This. See: The role of estradiol in male reproductive function

Also, worth keeping any stressors (anxiety, undereating, overexercising, poor sleep hygiene etc.) in check. Sustained elevations in cortisol will perturb hormone balance.

 

[sun-maid]

Without blood tests, it's hard to tell.

But you're definitely inhibiting aromatase and subsequent estradiol activity with that stack.

How are you feeling now?

Right now I'm feeling pretty good. I reduced my aspirin to 1 or 2 caps a day and I use nettle only when I feel like it. The biggest change a made recently tho was adding caffeine, makes me really happy and relax, my libido is also really strong with it and my appetite is crazy, I feel like eating all day lol.

 

[sun-maid]

What do you mean by "low libido?" If it's simply inability to get an erection, you might be thinning your blood too much. Are you taking 9 aspirin a day? That's about 3 grams. And some vitamin E on top. Even if you're taking 3 aspirin a day (can't quite tell the way you worded it), it could still be blood thinning effects. Why those doses? And what did you start from? If it's closer to 3 grams a day of aspirin, you could also be getting uncoupling effects. Are you eating enough to support the uncoupling?

The other things you listed are also very non-specific. As for dry eyes, there could be any number of causes, but do you look at a computer monitor/television/phone or tablet most of the day? Do you get outside during daylight hours? You might be getting excessive blue light, and not enough red.

Inability to get an erection. I was taking 3 caps a day (1 gram). I do try to get outside as much as possible and I have a red light behind my desk, but I'm in software engineering so its difficult to not look at a computer screen (I do put the windows night light settings tho) . Anyway, all that is gone with adding caffeine. I don't know the specific mechanism tho. Maybe the dopamine boost!

 

[sun-maid]

@sun-maid

This. See: The role of estradiol in male reproductive function

Also, worth keeping any stressors (anxiety, undereating, overexercising, poor sleep hygiene etc.) in check. Sustained elevations in cortisol will perturb hormone balance.

Yeah. I think it was really low estrogen. I blame the aspirin. Its strange tho cause I remember seeing a study from Haidut that said "Aspirin as effective as viagra"... Maybe it only help people with high estrogen, the same who probably need viagra

 

[sladerunner69]

What do you mean by "low libido?" If it's simply inability to get an erection, you might be thinning your blood too much. Are you taking 9 aspirin a day? That's about 3 grams. And some vitamin E on top. Even if you're taking 3 aspirin a day (can't quite tell the way you worded it), it could still be blood thinning effects. Why those doses? And what did you start from? If it's closer to 3 grams a day of aspirin, you could also be getting uncoupling effects. Are you eating enough to support the uncoupling?

The other things you listed are also very non-specific. As for dry eyes, there could be any number of causes, but do you look at a computer monitor/television/phone or tablet most of the day? Do you get outside during daylight hours? You might be getting excessive blue light, and not enough red.

I get dry eyes whenever I inhibit estrogen too much as well. That is, taking aspirin, vitamin e, k2, androsterone, and avoiding unsaturated fats in the diet will surely keep one's estrogen very low. The known symptoms are dry eyes, joint pain, lower libido, less emotions, and even heart palpitations.

 

[Arnold Grape]

I get dry eyes whenever I inhibit estrogen too much as well. That is, taking aspirin, vitamin e, k2, androsterone, and avoiding unsaturated fats in the diet will surely keep one's estrogen very low. The known symptoms are dry eyes, joint pain, lower libido, less emotions, and even heart palpitations.

That’ll do it.

What happens when you nix this combo of things?

 

[sladerunner69]

That’ll do it.

What happens when you nix this combo of things?

I still feel pretty much terrible, on account of the post-finasteride syndrome.

 

[milkboi]

I get dry eyes whenever I inhibit estrogen too much as well. That is, taking aspirin, vitamin e, k2, androsterone, and avoiding unsaturated fats in the diet will surely keep one's estrogen very low. The known symptoms are dry eyes, joint pain, lower libido, less emotions, and even heart palpitations.

Even if I take all those measures (****, andro, very low PUFA and fat, K2), I feel like my estrogen is not low. Not yet confirmed by blood tests tho.

Although I sometimes get into what feels like emotionlessness. But it's not really that, as I feel anxious about not feeling much. Do you happen to know how estrogen asserts its effects on emotions? Directly, or indirectly through increases in serotonin etc.?

 

[schultz]

Even if I take all those measures (****, andro, very low PUFA and fat, K2), I feel like my estrogen is not low. Not yet confirmed by blood tests tho.

Although I sometimes get into what feels like emotionlessness. But it's not really that, as I feel anxious about not feeling much. Do you happen to know how estrogen asserts its effects on emotions? Directly, or indirectly through increases in serotonin etc.?

I think it's complicated and depends on several other hormones in the body and the levels of those hormones in relation to estrogen and each other. It's not an easy thing to study.

Some studies suggest that high estradiol combined with low cortisol leads to increased externalizing behaviour and aggression, like impulsivity, alcoholism, etc. The young males who display this behaviour also tend to have higher testosterone, but the high E + C is also shown to lead to the same aggression, etc in females with low testosterone. So is it really the testosterone? What other hormones might play a role? I'm not sure anybody really knows, but it's interesting none-the-less.

 

[TheBeard]

Without blood tests, it's hard to tell

Serum levels are usually irrelevant, local activity is everything.
He needs to go by symptoms, and right now his symptoms are that of low e.

If I had gone by serum levels I would have never started testosterone cream, and would still have brain fog, cracking joints, depression etc...

 

[milkboi]

Serum levels are usually irrelevant, local activity is everything.
He needs to go by symptoms, and right now his symptoms are that of low e.

If I had gone by serum levels I would have never started testosterone cream, and would still have brain fog, cracking joints, depression etc...

So your main benefits from the T cream come from it elevating E?

 

[sladerunner69]

Even if I take all those measures (****, andro, very low PUFA and fat, K2), I feel like my estrogen is not low. Not yet confirmed by blood tests tho.

Although I sometimes get into what feels like emotionlessness. But it's not really that, as I feel anxious about not feeling much. Do you happen to know how estrogen asserts its effects on emotions? Directly, or indirectly through increases in serotonin etc.?

I have no clue how estrogen asserts its effects on emotions, do you?

 

[Arnold Grape]

^My own field studies seem to indicate that the switch in lowered estrogen is a pleasant and oft-relaxed emotional state off the bat, where over longer periods one becomes more sensitive to microcosmic rises and fall in e by way of: eating weird food or partaking in stressful activities. This may cause one to become irritable or possibly less resilient to estrogen antagonizing things during a short term.

I also think that in men lowering estrogen over longer periods will cause more feminine features to present, as well as changes in character (i.e. submissive, non confrontational character types.) Changes in body composition may also occur two fold, where one may develop an emotional reaction to looking more womanly (e.g. inability to develop muscle, slender features).

 

[TheBeard]

So your main benefits from the T cream come from it elevating E?

Yes

 

[TheBeard]

^My own field studies seem to indicate that the switch in lowered estrogen is a pleasant and oft-relaxed emotional state off the bat, where over longer periods one becomes more sensitive to microcosmic rises and fall in e by way of: eating weird food or partaking in stressful activities. This may cause one to become irritable or possibly less resilient to estrogen antagonizing things during a short term.

I also think that in men lowering estrogen over longer periods will cause more feminine features to present, as well as changes in character (i.e. submissive, non confrontational character types.) Changes in body composition may also occur two fold, where one may develop an emotional reaction to looking more womanly (e.g. inability to develop muscle, slender features).

Spot on everything

 

[GreekDemiGod]

It seems like there is a sweet stop for Estrogen levels in men.