Ukraine Crisis

[burtlancast]

"The greatest attribute in Russians is they suffer well"

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59kWikU-J9Y

 

[burtlancast]

Alexandra Tolstoy, relative of Leon Tolstoy, explains how once she began speaking against Putin's invasion, she was viciously attacked online by Russian bots


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TExIpY1ER9g

 

[Izzybelle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=nINPoeN5fo1nMAi7&v=l6y3l9xLBRs&feature=youtu.be

 

[Izzybelle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn1LOyD29qI

 

[Peachy]

Alexandra Tolstoy, relative of Leon Tolstoy, explains how once she began speaking against Putin's invasion, she was viciously attacked online by Russian bots


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TExIpY1ER9g

Leo Tolstoy is rolling over in his grave, listening to this woman.

It’s already been established that the vast majority of bots are pro-Ukraine (by University of Adelaide in Australia).

“An anti-Russia propaganda campaign originating from a ‘bot army’ of fake automated Twitter accounts flooded the internet at the start of the war. The research shows of the more than 5-million tweets studied, 90.2 percent of all tweets (both bot and non-bot) came from accounts that were pro-Ukraine, with fewer than 7 percent of the accounts being classed as pro-Russian.

The university researchers also found these automated tweets had been purposely used to drive up fear amongst people targeted by them, boosting a high level of statistically measurable ‘angst’ in the online discourse.”

Massive anti-Russian ‘Bot army’ exposed by Australian researchers | MR Online

An Australian university has unearthed millions of Tweets by fake ‘bot’ accounts pushing disinformation on the Ukraine war.

mronline.org

 

[Peachy]

Alexandra Tolstoy, relative of Leon Tolstoy, explains how once she began speaking against Putin's invasion, she was viciously attacked online by Russian bots

She has a beautiful Instagram account and does Kyrgyzstan tours. So funny because I was just (a couple hours ago) talking to a visiting aunt about vacations they used to take there. This is the first time I’ve seen what it’s like in photos.

Anyway, this is likely the incentive for how she aligns herself, rather than a matter of principal. She’s a Brit with Russian ancestry and a business owner. If she didn’t separate herself politically, she’d go under.

 

[burtlancast]

“An anti-Russia propaganda campaign originating from a ‘bot army’ of fake automated Twitter accounts flooded the internet at the start of the war. The research shows of the more than 5-million tweets studied, 90.2 percent of all tweets (both bot and non-bot) came from accounts that were pro-Ukraine, with fewer than 7 percent of the accounts being classed as pro-Russian.

You should read the original paper instead of relying for interpretation on pro-Russian authors.

"Pro-Russian non-bot accounts are most influential overall, with information flows to a variety of other account groups"

The paper makes mentions as well of widespread knowledge of Russian bots activity known to operate for years.

"The use of bots by Russian authorities has been widely observed: e.g., Collins [7] found 5,000 bots were pushing protests against Russiagate haux, a political event concerning relations between politicians from US and Russia; and Shane [35] suggested Russia created ‘Fake Americans’ to influence the 2016 US election. Moreover, Purtill [32] found that Russia had a massive bot army in spreading disinformation about the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Muscat and Siebert [22] have suggested that both Ukraine and Russia are utilising bot armies in their cyber warfare. "

 

[gd81]

The Russians don't need to expend any energy trying to win silly propaganda wars, the Russian public knows what happens if NATO sets up camp on their borders so they are all for crushing the Ukrainians if that's what needs to happen. People in the west don't understand this about Russians so it's assumed Russians are either warmongers brainwashed by their government or slaves just yearning for western freedom.

Western governments on the hand need to pour huge resources into propaganda (brainwashing efforts) because a) it's war is unjust, b) the public isn't that keen and c) they can't win militarily.

 

[Peachy]

"Pro-Russian non-bot accounts are most influential overall, with information flows to a variety of other account groups"

What even is this? To me this sounds like "People who gather information and interpret it in a way that opposes the mainstream anti-Russian narrative are most influential overall" (because they're more in line with reality).

"The use of bots by Russian authorities has been widely observed: e.g., Collins [7] found 5,000 bots were pushing protests against Russiagate haux, a political event concerning relations between politicians from US and Russia; and Shane [35] suggested Russia created ‘Fake Americans’ to influence the 2016 US election. Moreover, Purtill [32] found that Russia had a massive bot army in spreading disinformation about the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Muscat and Siebert [22] have suggested that both Ukraine and Russia are utilising bot armies in their cyber warfare. "

Why are they talking about Russiagate when their paper is about bots in the Russia/Ukraine war? Sounds like they wanted to add anti-Russian fluff since their findings weren't what they wanted them to be.

 

[burtlancast]

Russians are demented: they want now to nuke their own country.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyadtI5uSp4

If that's their state of mind, imagine what they do to the Ukrainians.

 

[BrianF]

Russians are demented: they want now to nuke their own country.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyadtI5uSp4

If that's their state of mind, imagine what they do to the Ukrainians.

They seriously don't.

Russia aren't losing this one. They were never going to lose in their own backyard

 

[gd81]

a new conundrum has presented itself to Ukraine's supporters

 

[Hugh Johnson]

They seriously don't.

Russia aren't losing this one. They were never going to lose in their own backyard

The only surprise is how easily and decisively Russia is winning. Russia figured the sanction would cause a 15% drop in GDP. They didn't even cause a recession, and have been followed by strong growth in living standards and industrial production.

James K. Galbraith: The Gift of Sanctions – An Analysis of Assessments of the Russian Economy, 2022 - 2023 | naked capitalism

Galbraith debunks conventional wisdom on sanctions against Russia.

www.nakedcapitalism.com

And militarily it has been shocking how weak the West is.

 

[BrianF]

From Takimag which features a little bit of history that I was unaware of, the circumstances involved in Napoleons failure in Russia (not the failure itself):

"I’ve read a lot about Russian history, but mostly recent Romanov stuff. All I can add to any American disinformation put out daily by the Military-Industrial Gangster Corporation is that when Napoleon invaded he was certain the Russian serfs would follow him to bring down the Tsarists. Although starving, the peasant serfs, slaves in reality, burned their own crops, denying the invaders sustenance. Napo could not believe the reports and paid for his folly with 300,000 dead."

 

[burtlancast]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTjghzRrCUo

 

[burtlancast]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olr0gtvE2lY

 

[burtlancast]

Better late than never : European parliament declares Russia a dictatorship and won't have any contacts with Poutin after his term ends in 2024


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rSWNYuTdeQ

 

[burtlancast]

This is how Russian soldiers care about their wounded camarades; instead of evacuating them, they first euthanize them then steal their valuables.

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1713285502286115184?s=20

I'll say it again; if that's how Russians treat each other, imagine how they treat Ukrainians.

 

[burtlancast]

 

[gd81]

You've reached the untermenschen stage of derangement I see. It was only a matter of time I guess.