Westside PUFAs
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Miscommunication. My mistake.
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Not necessarily, no.Stuart said:@ ForPeat'sSake@4peatssake
So does this mean that any suggestion that Dr. Peat is wrong about a particular aspect of human health won't be tolerated?forum rules said:This forum is for members interested in learning about and discussing Dr. Ray Peat's ideas, as presented in his writing and interviews, and in helping each other to think about how we can apply these ideas in our own lives. Ray Peat has agreed to this forum being started, but he does not moderate or participate here. Posts here do not necessarily represent his views.
Your particular thread was moved to the non Peat section of the forum because it isn't a discussion of Ray Peat nor his work. We are a tolerant forum but will moderate when these types of non Peat and anti Peat discussions begin to dominate the forum.Stuart said:So why on earth have you let the 'Soluble fiber in Breast Milk' thread go on for so long?
By whom? You? We don't even allow Danny Roddy's views discussed in the RP section of the forum and he is someone with whom some consider to have improved upon or synthesized for others some of Peat's work. All of what you argue is in defense of arguing against Ray Peat, proving him wrong, improving his message etc. and that is not our purpose here.Stuart said:In other words, you don't see improving on Dr. Peats views as a constructive possibility
The forum is about what you quoted above which I have bolded. It is stated very clearly that the forum is about discussing Ray Peat. Not arguing against him or "improving" upon his views. Look at your words, "slavishly subscribing to one perspective" as if to say us wanting to discuss Ray Peat's ideas means that is what we do. It's insulting. You fail to see that the point is simply that we wish to distill Peat's views from others so we can discuss them. Many of us here are pursuing optimal health using Peat's work as our framework for doing so. The forum chooses to keep his views as clear and uncluttered as possible so we may continue to do so without having to filter the views of his many detractors. It's a free will decision by the forum administration to structure the forum in such a way.Stuart said:Isn't this forum about pursuing optimum health, not slavishly subscribing to one perspective?
Yes, you've been quite vocal about your views.Stuart said:It's an interesting question don't you think. I think many of Dr. Peat's ideas are wonderful. Just not his views about the role and function of the human microbiome. And I've never tried to disguise that - from the outset.
Stuart said:Guess Dr. Peat won't be going on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet anytime soon. Icecream anyone?
Stuart said:Don't you think it's time Dr. Peat made friends with his microbiome?
Stuart said:It does worry me a bit that Dr. Peat does seem to share at least a hint of the 'Pboy/Sea' attitude to bacteria.
Stuart said:Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dr. Peat seems to ignore - or perhaps not even be aware of - this critical distinction between good and bad bacteria.
(This statement is not representative of Ray Peat. I have never heard him advocate eating carbohydrates for the purpose of “respecting our evolutionary heritage.”) I honestly question how much you have read or understood his work.Stuart said:I think respecting our evolutionary heritage of eating a lot of carbohydrate is another one of Dr. Peat's good ideas.
I think you want to justify your anti Peat viewpoint and make it appear others share your view that "Peat's message" can be improved upon, which they may or may not. It's not the point.Stuart said:Many commenters (not just in that thread either) often express misgivings about particular aspects of 'Peat Wisdom' And to be frank, the quality of Dr. Peat's message can only be improved by them so doing. What do you think?
The quote was by Ray Peat.Stuart said:Except I've never said anything of the sort Westside. I don't actually agree with it either FWIW. What makes you think l said it?Westside PUFAs said:Stuart, I agree with 4peatssake here because when I saw that you said this:
"There are probably only a few physicians now practicing who would remember to check for hypothyroidism in an arthritis patient, or in other stress-related conditions."
I thought to myself "Oh, he's one of those. People who think MD's have your best interest in mind."
Now, of course not all MD's are evil drug pushers. But, the context here is that you must take your health into your own hands, and specifically be aggressive about getting much needed lab work done to see what your blood says about things like TSH, iron etc. You can not expect an MD to check everything for you. You have to do it yourself.
Stuart said:Also, exactly what are you 'agreeing' with 4PS about? I'm not even sure exactly what was being said.
What I need to know is , what percentage of Dr.Peat's (or those 'generally accepted to be Peat precepts' - whatever that means) does a contributor to this forum have to subscribe to ? 85% 96.8? 98.6 perhaps. Help me out here. I just need a number for pete's (????) sake.
I didn't even know it was a Peat quote. I disagreed with it because Westside P was implying that I'd said it. I don't know anything about the likelihood of Physicians to test for hypothyroidism. I've never even consulted a physician about hypothyroidism ,arthritis, or any other stress related condition.4peatssake said:The quote was by Ray Peat.
Your disagreement with it Stuart is because you do think physicians remember to check for hypothyroidism in arthritic patients or other stress related conditions? Or you take issue with Peat here in some other way?
Stuart said:Also, exactly what are you 'agreeing' with 4PS about? I'm not even sure exactly what was being said.
What I need to know is , what percentage of Dr.Peat's (or those 'generally accepted to be Peat precepts' - whatever that means) does a contributor to this forum have to subscribe to ? 85% 96.8? 98.6 perhaps. Help me out here. I just need a number for pete's (????) sake.
You don't have to subscribe to anything Stuart. Just please don't spam the forum with your alternative views.
Stuart, 4peatssake has made it clear more than once that the moderators want discussions about alternative theories be separated from discussing Ray Peat's ideas. Your microbiome thread is in the "Debate Forum". Which part do you not understand?Stuart said:The whole thing is utterly ridiculous quite frankly. Westside got confused. You have read an amazing amount into my opinion about a subject that I don't actually even have an opinion about.
'But I have to ask you again, if you really do think that I am 'spamming the forum with my alternative views', it does seem rather odd that you have let the thread go on for so long. It's hardly as if I was unclear about my views from the outset.
In fact nothing that has been said on that thread so far has even remotely diminished my conviction that Dr. Peat has a grave blind spot in his views about the human microbiome.
You do seem to be implying that you need to censor that opinion being expressed here.
Is that the case?
4peatssake said:Your disagreement with it Stuart is because you do think physicians remember to check for hypothyroidism in arthritic patients or other stress related conditions? Or you take issue with Peat here in some other way? .
I understood and saw what unfolded. I know who the quote was from because it was posted by me and I was quoting Ray.Westside PUFAs said:4peatssake said:Your disagreement with it Stuart is because you do think physicians remember to check for hypothyroidism in arthritic patients or other stress related conditions? Or you take issue with Peat here in some other way? .
No, I misread the quote. I thought Stuart was saying that he trusts all MD's opinions. He didn't say that. I just read your post on the other page and saw that underlined part and thought that Stuart wrote it because I didn't read the rest. Like I said "you must take your health into your own hands, and specifically be aggressive about getting much needed lab work done to see what your blood says about things like TSH, iron etc. You can not expect an MD to check everything for you. You have to do it yourself." So my context was, of course MD's don't check thyroid because they think it's quackery when in reality it's very important.
The quote was posted upthread viewtopic.php?p=92034#p92034Stuart said:I didn't even know it was a Peat quote. I disagreed with it because Westside P was implying that I'd said it. I don't know anything about the likelihood of Physicians to test for hypothyroidism. I've never even consulted a physician about hypothyroidism ,arthritis, or any other stress related condition.4peatssake said:The quote was by Ray Peat.
Your disagreement with it Stuart is because you do think physicians remember to check for hypothyroidism in arthritic patients or other stress related conditions? Or you take issue with Peat here in some other way?
Stuart said:Also, exactly what are you 'agreeing' with 4PS about? I'm not even sure exactly what was being said.
What I need to know is , what percentage of Dr.Peat's (or those 'generally accepted to be Peat precepts' - whatever that means) does a contributor to this forum have to subscribe to ? 85% 96.8? 98.6 perhaps. Help me out here. I just need a number for pete's (????) sake.
You don't have to subscribe to anything Stuart. Just please don't spam the forum with your alternative views.
I read nothing into it, except to see that you were in disagreement with RP, which is what I have observed from the majority of your posts. I asked you to explain why you disagreed with what Ray said. Now you say you don't have an opinion about it.Stuart said:The whole thing is utterly ridiculous quite frankly. Westside got confused. You have read an amazing amount into my opinion about a subject that I don't actually even have an opinion about.
I replied to you about this in this post but you chose to respond to this post instead of that one.Stuart said:But I have to ask you again, if you really do think that I am 'spamming the forum with my alternative views', it does seem rather odd that you have let the thread go on for so long. It's hardly as if I was unclear about my views from the outset.
And you make that assessment of Ray Peat based on your thread? You can't be serious.Stuart said:In fact nothing that has been said on that thread so far has even remotely diminished my conviction that Dr. Peat has a grave blind spot in his views about the human microbiome.
I'm implying no such thing. "Censor" is your word because you don't appear to be willing to respect our forum guidelines and understand that what we discuss here is the work of Ray Peat.Stuart said:You do seem to be implying that you need to censor that opinion being expressed here.
Is that the case?
no worriesWestside PUFAs said:lol I misread again. I didn't see the "it" you wrote right after Stuart in "Your disagreement with it Stuart is because you do think physicians" so i just read it as "Your disagreement with Stuart is because you do think physicians" which also makes no sense. Silly me.
Stuart said:The really interesting thing is that HDD just commented that Dr. Peat is starting to reassess his earlier opposition to consuming fermentable fiber.
It's O.K. HDD I do know why you posted it. It's all about interpretation isn't it?HDD said:Stuart said:The really interesting thing is that HDD just commented that Dr. Peat is starting to reassess his earlier opposition to consuming fermentable fiber.
Umm, no, you misunderstood the reason I posted it and I will answer you in that thread.
Stuart said:It's O.K. HDD I do know why you posted it. It's all about interpretation isn't it?HDD said:Stuart said:The really interesting thing is that HDD just commented that Dr. Peat is starting to reassess his earlier opposition to consuming fermentable fiber.
Umm, no, you misunderstood the reason I posted it and I will answer you in that thread.
This is also best answered in the other thread too, but perhaps you can spare yourself a lot of pointless throwing about of studies and Dr. Peat quotes etc. and just explain why YOU think humans have a huge bag at the lower end of our digestive tract with no other purpose than to be full of bacteria? I put this to Sea too ages ago when it seemed pertinent, and her answer was very revealing indeed.
It will help, honestly.
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