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@Ritchie Do you think a glass of milk would cover Calcium requirements? How is your PTH and bone/ dental health?
Do you include plant sources of calcium?
Do you include plant sources of calcium?
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Peat has always said that it is important to balance out phosphorus with calcium, and obviously if you are eating less protein particularly from animal products you are getting far less phosphorus, requiring less calcium for the balance.. As far as specific calcium requirements i'm not to sure, that may be an experimental thing. My teeth are great and my bone health seems fantastic. To answer your question, no I don't supplement calcium from plant sources, do you mean like marine calcium carbonate from seaweed or something like that?.. There is some in kale and other veges...@Ritchie Do you think a glass of milk would cover Calcium requirements? How is your PTH and bone/ dental health?
Do you include plant sources of calcium?
Yeah he says “ even with the juices, when you reach a gallon of orange juice your protein is going up considerably”.. a gallon of orange juice is approximately 27 grams of protein. Danny then suggests that if he is keeping his protein that low he’d have to cut back on milk, cheese, eggs and Peat confirms that he has.I just relistened to the podcast.. Danny Roddy had asked Ray" how did you come to the 50 g of protein" , Ray then responded, " because it's hard to get less, because of the amounts in the fruits and milk". Which basically means Ray would go lower if he could, but you can't because there's protein and fruit juice and milk and all the other foods that there's no way you can go lower. That's pretty fascinating, meaning that Ray really wants to go low on his protein.
There won't be any specific nutritional reason to not eat cauliflower whilst consuming the other cruciferous veg. He will just be eating whatever vegetables he enjoys and preparing them in whatever way works best for him from a taste/digestion point of view. It's entirely likely uses herbs/spices.I'm curious why Peat doesn't mention cauliflower with the other well cooked cruciferous vegetables. Could be that it's just he doesn't like it (it is even blander than those he mentioned) or is there something specific about it nutritionally that he doesn't want.
Also wondering how he takes his veggies. With butter? Though that likely mess up his carb ratio. Doubt he is using herbs and spices as he always regarded them as toxic. Boiling or steaming the eff out of them and then maybe lemon juice and salt?
Very interesting. How much protein are you getting a day and from what sources? Do you do weight training or build muscle? Because how peat eat now if its mostly vegan i have seen those guys lile mcdougall etc and they ate like fruit and they are so thin and fragile its crazy. So thats what im really concerned about because no vegan low protein ppl looks good and they dont train either and they get gray hair right away.I know, that’s part of the point I’m making, Peat’s interpretation of nutrition led me to where he’s at quite a while ago and I always thought that’s where he would eventually head. I train hard and I’m younger than Peat so my protein requirements will be higher than his, so for me now it’s more about finding that sweet spot with protein without overdoing it.
I'm probably getting around the 100g mark on average. Sources are fruits and vegetables, gelatin, eggs, some raw nuts like macadamias, oats, oysters, lentils. It's suprisingly easy to get alot of protein, and i've found it can be way higher than you realise when you monitor it through chronometer. I'm experimenting a little to find that sweet spot and I suspect I could go lower.Very interesting. How much protein are you getting a day and from what sources?
I do body weight training supplemented with weights, so basically cali strength training. I also play sport, surf/swim etc. Muscly and toned.Do you do weight training or build muscle?
If you are eating high carb (ie high sugar from juice, fruit, honey, maple, cane sugar etc) plus clean starches like potatoes and rice, along with some good fats like coconut, olive oil, macadamias and other raw nuts, avocado, chocolate and cocoa butter and some protein sources like I mentioned above you definitely won't have this problem. Adequate Sugar and starch certainly seem to lower your body's requirements for protein. I think McDougall is very anti fat, hence the reason he is so thin. IMO you need fat. Unless you feel you are overweight and carrying excess, then as part of a toning/leaning down cycle you can cut fats for X amount of time and then re-introduce. I don’t think McDougall is a fan of sugar either, which would play into this too. Also, alot of vegans eat low sugar, and even low carb in general which is just a recipe for disaster. High carb (from starch and sugar) with a decent fat intake vegans all look very healthy in my experience. Of course there are factors to that other than diet.Because how peat eat now if its mostly vegan i have seen those guys lile mcdougall etc and they ate like fruit and they are so thin and fragile its crazy. So thats what im really concerned about because no vegan low protein ppl looks good and they dont train either and they get gray hair right away.
I think again that's because alot of these people are on keto type diets. The "sugar/carb is unhealthy" paradigm is very strong in these research groups. So when you are eating adequate sugars and starches along with good fats, the protein requirements go down. And in conjunction metabolism goes up so it all works synergistically. Everything hums along nicely. People who eat 1.6 g/kg protein or more are converting a large portion of that into glucose via gluconeogenesis anyway, their bodies aren't using all that protein as protein. That process hinders metabolism greatly and contributes to other stressful factors. Hence the motivation to find the sweet spot your body needs and not go to far over that.Also all the research on protein is showing that older people requires more because their mps is weaker so they require more to stimulate holding on to the muscle. Same goes for bodybuilding literature showing 1.6g /kg looks to be around optimal and the highest one needs to go. Your thoughts on all this?
Thank you.I'm probably getting around the 100g mark on average. Sources are fruits and vegetables, gelatin, eggs, some raw nuts like macadamias, oats, oysters, lentils. It's suprisingly easy to get alot of protein, and i've found it can be way higher than you realise when you monitor it through chronometer. I'm experimenting a little to find that sweet spot and I suspect I could go lower.
I do body weight training supplemented with weights, so basically cali strength training. I also play sport, surf/swim etc. Muscly and toned.
If you are eating high carb (ie high sugar from juice, fruit, honey, maple, cane sugar etc) plus clean starches like potatoes and rice, along with some good fats like coconut, olive oil, macadamias and other raw nuts, avocado, chocolate and cocoa butter and some protein sources like I mentioned above you definitely won't have this problem. Adequate Sugar and starch certainly seem to lower your body's requirements for protein. I think McDougall is very anti fat, hence the reason he is so thin. IMO you need fat. Unless you feel you are overweight and carrying excess, then as part of a toning/leaning down cycle you can cut fats for X amount of time and then re-introduce. I don’t think McDougall is a fan of sugar either, which would play into this too. Also, alot of vegans eat low sugar, and even low carb in general which is just a recipe for disaster. High carb (from starch and sugar) with a decent fat intake vegans all look very healthy in my experience. Of course there are factors to that other than diet.
I think again that's because alot of these people are on keto type diets. The "sugar/carb is unhealthy" paradigm is very strong in these research groups. So when you are eating adequate sugars and starches along with good fats, the protein requirements go down. And in conjunction metabolism goes up so it all works synergistically. Everything hums along nicely. People who eat 1.6 g/kg protein or more are converting a large portion of that into glucose via gluconeogenesis anyway, their bodies aren't using all that protein as protein. That process hinders metabolism greatly and contributes to other stressful factors. Hence the motivation to find the sweet spot your body needs and not go to far over that.
I did a month of increased thyroid to rebalance an imbalance created the prior 6 months, I added back weekly liver ( i had been doing less frequently for a bit to lower iron) and I reset my circadian rhythm over the last few months after a 6 month stint of its major disruption prior due to stress. ive been pretty consistent with weekly oysters notwithstanding these other fluctuations. I ate a good amount of shrimp this last month as well. so my guess is the increased copper, better rest and increased thyroid temporarily to jump start myself again, ive lowered it again now. Dr. Peat has said that at times creating a hyperthyroid state for a time can repair damage such as radiation etc. i kind of feel thats what i was doing before returning to a more sustainable thyroid regimen.What do you think that might have helped?