peatforever2358
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I've finally taken the plunge to create an account on here. I've lurked on the forums for a bit in the past couple weeks when I decided to learn more about how The Vertical Diet was created using Ray as a reference.
With that being said Christopher Walker of former Anabolic Men has used Ray as a reference in his videos. And further more I'm not sure if Chris Masterjohn has mentioned Ray in any content, but his research and videos on carbohydrates in context to anaerobic exercise really took me away from doing any type of low carb training. John Keifer even cemented what I learned from Chris, making fun of this illusive adaption phase on a keto diet. Keifer is the guy that really connected me to how important carbs are for the thyroid and in general having adequate calories. He shares two very simple graphs on carbnite.com and the regulation of cortisol, ghrelin, thryoid, and leptin, and then another graph showing what happens when insulin is in the diet. On Body.io FM in Itunes, Keifer did a critique of Keto, Carnivore and The Vertical Diet. His only critique of The Vertical Diet was that with all of the carbohydrates, it would impair mitochondria and generate too many reactive oxygen species over lifespan.
So I have definitely been around the block of the bodybuilding scene, the decrepit cult of veganism and its deceiving twin, carnivore and those in the underground like Uncle Jack, and Joey Lectin lol.
I somewhat like Jack Kruse, and his ideas around living in an environment with great light and some sort of natural magnetic phenomenon that exists around the Gulf of Mexico. Grounding. Other than that he can be a bit pretentious with how often he is right, not so much about nutrition but more of 'I told you look at how bad big pharma is, to his community on FB'. I can say for certain I am not consuming any type of fatty fish or fish oils. I know the rules lol.
Other than that I am familiar with Joe Cohen of Selfhacked.com and I've learned a bit from his publishing style and how he connects the dots with endocrinology, supplements, and nootropics.
Last but not least I have to give kudos to Stan Efferding, phenomenal work ethic, definitely on the spectrum, I know an INTJ or any similar variant when I get know what they are about in fact many of the people that I mentioned and some of the Peatarians that brought me here are close to an INTJ. But tremendous respect for the plan that he has put together and many many people are benefiting from it.
Now there are a few dietary changes that I plan on making going from The Vertical Diet to reading a few articles and going through many short clips and dozens of forum posts in the community.
1. Consume raw frozen liver 3.5 ounces every other day (trouble finding canned oysters without pufa)
2. Readily available warm white basmati rice (less starch than jasmine)
3. Switch to 1% or skim milk than whole milk. Felt like I was going to faint putting sugar in whole milk.
4. Tracking calcium intake, along with salt. Let's just put everything in cronometer lol. I also eat several baby carrots in a day.
5. Experiment with frozen fruit, baked in the oven particularly apples, peaches, pears, mangos with salt and cinnamon to enhance glut uptake and insulin sensitivity. Stan Efferding's post workout protocol is very interesting when I mention baked fruit like this. Two different types of sugars, + salt, + caffeine, glucose uptake is phenomenal. This kind of sounds like some homemade pie and coffee. That protocol is coming from George Lackhart. If anyone is interested he comes in about halfway though in his podcast with Joe Rogan and he definitely throws a jab at the carnivore and keto community.
6. Maybe pay a bit more for fresh squeezed Orange Juice. The consistency and taste compared to Tropicana is just night and day.
7. 97 lean ground beef and chicken breast for protein, along with the milk fat will be sufficient with coconut oil, butter, and eggs.
8. I now realize the only way to drink coffee is with cream and sugar. I adopted heavy cream after I learned about milk fat globular membranes in cream for phospholipids and their interaction for neurotransmitters from keifer. Butter does not have these MFGM's because of the churning process and everything becomes one fat mass. It's hilarious when Keifer criticized Dave Asprey in some of his podcasts. And of course the sugar to handle the drop in blood sugar, because caffeine uses blood sugar. Definitely need to pick up a biology text book when I have the time.
9. I am taking 325 mg of aspirin a day to every other day in the morning with the coffee with just a 125%rda of vitamin k2 in coconut oil. The aspirin and coffee is definitely a more creative experience at hand, I just need to stay away from social media and study computer networking. And maybe combine that with some nicotine gum although I've never tried it. Nicotine is another keyword I'll search on here. I do not smoke cigarettes but I do enjoy cigars from time to time. I started smoking cigars when I learned about Richard Overton whom lived to 112 and how many cigars he smoked a day, and how much whiskey and coffee he drank. Winston Churchill, and Hugh Heffner have lived long, successful lives to 9o and 91 smoking tobacco. There's also a woman by the name of Grace Jones who lived to 113 and credited her longevity to nightly scotch before bed. So that's how I would explain my longevity arsenal, aspirin, coffee, whiskey, nicotine (sounds like the mad men days) and maybe the methylene blue when I get to it. I'm not that much of a drinker at all. I don't understand how one can enjoy wine, or hard liquor straight. Maybe just a splash with some Mexican coke. aye.
10. This is a nice number to end on lol and so right now I'm approaching a diet that is as low fat as I can make it hopefully it ends around 60g or so a day. Protein I'd like to hit around 180. Carbs are free reign around 300 to 400. I'm 23 years old at about 210 at 5'10. I could lose 20 pounds. and be more consistent with a gym schedule. But the thing that I have absolutely realized is not to mix high sugar foods with high fat foods. Everyone says a calorie is a calorie and that is why I despise IIFYM and meathead advice. I'm also leaning towards maximizing muscle protein synthesis every 3 hours. Awake for 16 hours that's 5 meals. Every macro-nutrient has a direct and different hormonal response in the body, that effects mood, digestion, energy, etc. And so with this similarity that I have seen in The Vertical Diet and his advice on how he got Brian Shaw and Haftor insulin sensitive again was cutting out a large portion of the fat from their diets and mainly they maybe are still eating a lot of rice and bison coinciding in a different way with what John Keifer practices; an approximate day or days of low carb eating higher in fat than protein and refeeding on recommended low fat, fast digesting sugars like apple turnovers. SAY WHAT. Although Keifer's cbl program is a bit extreme, its more often tapering carbohydrates off, depleting the muscles and eventually liver slowly, mobilizing cortisol, glucagon and adrenaline. Stan's approach is keep the carbs in there, do a bit of cardio, still lift weights, get insulin sensitive and minimize fat with meals and get em chopping heads off at the king's landing castle gate ( GOT reference ). It seems to me Stan's way does limits stress much further, than having to chronically deplete the muscles and liver, on a weekly basis for fatloss or this 'hybrid longevity maintenance diet' to get into ketosis for a day or two or longer depending on how much fat you have, and have a refeed meal then repeat. Stan's approach is far simpler, you can still maintain a calorie deficit, have glucose and become insulin sensitive. I do agree that maybe having To be honest I think Matt Stone really F'd everyone up, he doesn't look to well and basically his books are about high fat and high carbs and get in that protein lol. Rice, butter, and salt baby.
High carb and low fat vegans come to mind as well. The dying breed that they are, Durianrider has kept up pretty well over the years at the age of 42, even with all of the chronic stress of endurance exercise he puts himself through. You can definitely see some receding hairline start in the past few years. Granted Australia and say example the UK are very different places with different sunlight exposure effecting you're ability to handle fruit, to only the environment it is grown in, with a high vitamin d status. And coming back to Jack Kruse, vitamin D supplementation does not equal the radiation nor light spectrum of the sun that our cells absorb. This does perhaps make me second guess fruit or atleast moving out of New England.
So I think I painted a pretty good picture on this issue and a whole lot more and connected some bridges elsewhere this is why a bodybuilders favorite meal is chicken breast and lean beef with rice, especially when they use exogenous insulin and there's some videos discussing that. Now you can understand why the eggwhites, tuna, tilapia, skim milk, low fat everything in context to bodybuilding. Here is an excerpt from kingofthegym.com/lowfatdietplan
Example – A good candidate for a low fat diet plan:
Let’s use a 200-pound college football player. He needs many more calories than most people due to his high activity levels (let’s say 5000 cal.). A set number of those 5000 calories are reserved for his protein needs (let’s say 300 grams, so 1200 cal.) and he needs a significant amount of carbohydrates (let’s say 750, so 3000) to support his energy needs demanding 2x/day practice schedule, plus a weight training program…
…And so, that leaves him with 800 calories left for fats (~89 grams). This is more than a sufficient amount of dietary fat, even though it’s technically considered low fat since 16% – as opposed to 30% – of his calories come from fat (800 cal. / 5000 cal. = 16%).
His diet is healthy and effective: he is not deficient in dietary fats, and is oriented towards his performance needs and goals///
I've seen some posts on increasing testosterone in these forums, and I'd say the best thing to do is workout and build muscle with a diet that I am describing, and eat a large % of carbohydrates before and after workout and focus on sleep quality. Nutrient timing is a precarious thing, because I don't think eating a pint of Haagen dazs before bed is acceptable with its high fat and high sugar content or because it fits into calorie macros or appetite. I'm not certain of it's effects but I would love to learn more about how insulin effects hormones released in sleep.
So I hope with this post that we can further go into the gray and see the similarities with other diets, and define 'Peating' in a bit more practical manner when combining high carbs, saturated fat and limited protein sources. But when it comes to burning ketones as an energy source and or relying on gluconeogenesis, it really is a shame that people are being tricked into believing that these metabolic processes are superior to glycolysis.
I am very much looking forward to hearing more from Danny, Georgi, and Kyle in their upcoming podcasts. I'm very impressed with these guys. In some way I hope this post was helpful or entertaining, I'm certainly going to take a look at Khan Academy Medicine and view a biology course.
Thanks
Nate
With that being said Christopher Walker of former Anabolic Men has used Ray as a reference in his videos. And further more I'm not sure if Chris Masterjohn has mentioned Ray in any content, but his research and videos on carbohydrates in context to anaerobic exercise really took me away from doing any type of low carb training. John Keifer even cemented what I learned from Chris, making fun of this illusive adaption phase on a keto diet. Keifer is the guy that really connected me to how important carbs are for the thyroid and in general having adequate calories. He shares two very simple graphs on carbnite.com and the regulation of cortisol, ghrelin, thryoid, and leptin, and then another graph showing what happens when insulin is in the diet. On Body.io FM in Itunes, Keifer did a critique of Keto, Carnivore and The Vertical Diet. His only critique of The Vertical Diet was that with all of the carbohydrates, it would impair mitochondria and generate too many reactive oxygen species over lifespan.
So I have definitely been around the block of the bodybuilding scene, the decrepit cult of veganism and its deceiving twin, carnivore and those in the underground like Uncle Jack, and Joey Lectin lol.
I somewhat like Jack Kruse, and his ideas around living in an environment with great light and some sort of natural magnetic phenomenon that exists around the Gulf of Mexico. Grounding. Other than that he can be a bit pretentious with how often he is right, not so much about nutrition but more of 'I told you look at how bad big pharma is, to his community on FB'. I can say for certain I am not consuming any type of fatty fish or fish oils. I know the rules lol.
Other than that I am familiar with Joe Cohen of Selfhacked.com and I've learned a bit from his publishing style and how he connects the dots with endocrinology, supplements, and nootropics.
Last but not least I have to give kudos to Stan Efferding, phenomenal work ethic, definitely on the spectrum, I know an INTJ or any similar variant when I get know what they are about in fact many of the people that I mentioned and some of the Peatarians that brought me here are close to an INTJ. But tremendous respect for the plan that he has put together and many many people are benefiting from it.
Now there are a few dietary changes that I plan on making going from The Vertical Diet to reading a few articles and going through many short clips and dozens of forum posts in the community.
1. Consume raw frozen liver 3.5 ounces every other day (trouble finding canned oysters without pufa)
2. Readily available warm white basmati rice (less starch than jasmine)
3. Switch to 1% or skim milk than whole milk. Felt like I was going to faint putting sugar in whole milk.
4. Tracking calcium intake, along with salt. Let's just put everything in cronometer lol. I also eat several baby carrots in a day.
5. Experiment with frozen fruit, baked in the oven particularly apples, peaches, pears, mangos with salt and cinnamon to enhance glut uptake and insulin sensitivity. Stan Efferding's post workout protocol is very interesting when I mention baked fruit like this. Two different types of sugars, + salt, + caffeine, glucose uptake is phenomenal. This kind of sounds like some homemade pie and coffee. That protocol is coming from George Lackhart. If anyone is interested he comes in about halfway though in his podcast with Joe Rogan and he definitely throws a jab at the carnivore and keto community.
6. Maybe pay a bit more for fresh squeezed Orange Juice. The consistency and taste compared to Tropicana is just night and day.
7. 97 lean ground beef and chicken breast for protein, along with the milk fat will be sufficient with coconut oil, butter, and eggs.
8. I now realize the only way to drink coffee is with cream and sugar. I adopted heavy cream after I learned about milk fat globular membranes in cream for phospholipids and their interaction for neurotransmitters from keifer. Butter does not have these MFGM's because of the churning process and everything becomes one fat mass. It's hilarious when Keifer criticized Dave Asprey in some of his podcasts. And of course the sugar to handle the drop in blood sugar, because caffeine uses blood sugar. Definitely need to pick up a biology text book when I have the time.
9. I am taking 325 mg of aspirin a day to every other day in the morning with the coffee with just a 125%rda of vitamin k2 in coconut oil. The aspirin and coffee is definitely a more creative experience at hand, I just need to stay away from social media and study computer networking. And maybe combine that with some nicotine gum although I've never tried it. Nicotine is another keyword I'll search on here. I do not smoke cigarettes but I do enjoy cigars from time to time. I started smoking cigars when I learned about Richard Overton whom lived to 112 and how many cigars he smoked a day, and how much whiskey and coffee he drank. Winston Churchill, and Hugh Heffner have lived long, successful lives to 9o and 91 smoking tobacco. There's also a woman by the name of Grace Jones who lived to 113 and credited her longevity to nightly scotch before bed. So that's how I would explain my longevity arsenal, aspirin, coffee, whiskey, nicotine (sounds like the mad men days) and maybe the methylene blue when I get to it. I'm not that much of a drinker at all. I don't understand how one can enjoy wine, or hard liquor straight. Maybe just a splash with some Mexican coke. aye.
10. This is a nice number to end on lol and so right now I'm approaching a diet that is as low fat as I can make it hopefully it ends around 60g or so a day. Protein I'd like to hit around 180. Carbs are free reign around 300 to 400. I'm 23 years old at about 210 at 5'10. I could lose 20 pounds. and be more consistent with a gym schedule. But the thing that I have absolutely realized is not to mix high sugar foods with high fat foods. Everyone says a calorie is a calorie and that is why I despise IIFYM and meathead advice. I'm also leaning towards maximizing muscle protein synthesis every 3 hours. Awake for 16 hours that's 5 meals. Every macro-nutrient has a direct and different hormonal response in the body, that effects mood, digestion, energy, etc. And so with this similarity that I have seen in The Vertical Diet and his advice on how he got Brian Shaw and Haftor insulin sensitive again was cutting out a large portion of the fat from their diets and mainly they maybe are still eating a lot of rice and bison coinciding in a different way with what John Keifer practices; an approximate day or days of low carb eating higher in fat than protein and refeeding on recommended low fat, fast digesting sugars like apple turnovers. SAY WHAT. Although Keifer's cbl program is a bit extreme, its more often tapering carbohydrates off, depleting the muscles and eventually liver slowly, mobilizing cortisol, glucagon and adrenaline. Stan's approach is keep the carbs in there, do a bit of cardio, still lift weights, get insulin sensitive and minimize fat with meals and get em chopping heads off at the king's landing castle gate ( GOT reference ). It seems to me Stan's way does limits stress much further, than having to chronically deplete the muscles and liver, on a weekly basis for fatloss or this 'hybrid longevity maintenance diet' to get into ketosis for a day or two or longer depending on how much fat you have, and have a refeed meal then repeat. Stan's approach is far simpler, you can still maintain a calorie deficit, have glucose and become insulin sensitive. I do agree that maybe having To be honest I think Matt Stone really F'd everyone up, he doesn't look to well and basically his books are about high fat and high carbs and get in that protein lol. Rice, butter, and salt baby.
High carb and low fat vegans come to mind as well. The dying breed that they are, Durianrider has kept up pretty well over the years at the age of 42, even with all of the chronic stress of endurance exercise he puts himself through. You can definitely see some receding hairline start in the past few years. Granted Australia and say example the UK are very different places with different sunlight exposure effecting you're ability to handle fruit, to only the environment it is grown in, with a high vitamin d status. And coming back to Jack Kruse, vitamin D supplementation does not equal the radiation nor light spectrum of the sun that our cells absorb. This does perhaps make me second guess fruit or atleast moving out of New England.
So I think I painted a pretty good picture on this issue and a whole lot more and connected some bridges elsewhere this is why a bodybuilders favorite meal is chicken breast and lean beef with rice, especially when they use exogenous insulin and there's some videos discussing that. Now you can understand why the eggwhites, tuna, tilapia, skim milk, low fat everything in context to bodybuilding. Here is an excerpt from kingofthegym.com/lowfatdietplan
Example – A good candidate for a low fat diet plan:
Let’s use a 200-pound college football player. He needs many more calories than most people due to his high activity levels (let’s say 5000 cal.). A set number of those 5000 calories are reserved for his protein needs (let’s say 300 grams, so 1200 cal.) and he needs a significant amount of carbohydrates (let’s say 750, so 3000) to support his energy needs demanding 2x/day practice schedule, plus a weight training program…
…And so, that leaves him with 800 calories left for fats (~89 grams). This is more than a sufficient amount of dietary fat, even though it’s technically considered low fat since 16% – as opposed to 30% – of his calories come from fat (800 cal. / 5000 cal. = 16%).
His diet is healthy and effective: he is not deficient in dietary fats, and is oriented towards his performance needs and goals///
I've seen some posts on increasing testosterone in these forums, and I'd say the best thing to do is workout and build muscle with a diet that I am describing, and eat a large % of carbohydrates before and after workout and focus on sleep quality. Nutrient timing is a precarious thing, because I don't think eating a pint of Haagen dazs before bed is acceptable with its high fat and high sugar content or because it fits into calorie macros or appetite. I'm not certain of it's effects but I would love to learn more about how insulin effects hormones released in sleep.
So I hope with this post that we can further go into the gray and see the similarities with other diets, and define 'Peating' in a bit more practical manner when combining high carbs, saturated fat and limited protein sources. But when it comes to burning ketones as an energy source and or relying on gluconeogenesis, it really is a shame that people are being tricked into believing that these metabolic processes are superior to glycolysis.
I am very much looking forward to hearing more from Danny, Georgi, and Kyle in their upcoming podcasts. I'm very impressed with these guys. In some way I hope this post was helpful or entertaining, I'm certainly going to take a look at Khan Academy Medicine and view a biology course.
Thanks
Nate