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I can imagine it varies a lot from person to person and depending on current health status.
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I think 800-1500mg/day is optimal based on my experience. On the higher end if consuming a phosphorous heavy diet.Definitely need calcium of course, the question is how much do you need and how low can calcium intake go without issue. Mainstream says 1g, Peat says 2g (though I dont think he said 2g was necessary, but that 2g was optimal).
I remember when I first found Peat's website, I immediately tried to switch from the very low carb diet I'd been on to all milk and OJ.
It made me terribly sick. Even worse than how I was already feeling. I couldn't get through two days.
So I went back to what I'd been doing (except no PUFAs) but just added OJ and fruit and a little milk or cheese each day. I just kept shifting little by little and kept feeling better and better.
Same for supplements. I tried to leap in with big doses of thiamine and niacinamide and felt terrible. So I cut back to a very small dose and added gradually. And I just keep feeling better and better.
I suspect dairy gives me brainfog. Are there any forms of dairy that might be least likely to do this?
Maybe goat dairy, if you haven't tried it already? Cow dairy, even A2, leaves me constipated and foggy headed but I recently began experimenting with goat dairy and have experienced nothing but positive benefits from it. Unlike cow dairy, it digests quickly and easily for me and doesn't sit like a brick in my gut.I suspect dairy gives me brainfog. Are there any forms of dairy that might be least likely to do this?
The opioids thing gets wheeled out so people can compare some food that didn't agree with them to a street drug. It's a favorite of vegans and vegetarians. I just read a nitwit endocrinologist do the same thing with t3.
Re:Acne. I never ate any dairy at school and had cystic acne. It's so lazy to blame it all on dairy. Did the dairy bashers not read Peat's quip about the Masai's complete lack of these supposed dairy-induced maladies?
The only issues with dairy come down to the quality of it's production and handling.
Are you sure brainfog is not just what it feels like when stress hormones are powerfully reduced?I suspect dairy gives me brainfog. Are there any forms of dairy that might be least likely to do this?
I'm quite sure it's not just the sleepy low stress state. I would describe my brain fog as feeling like an inflammatory effect in the brain; it makes my mind feel a bit foggy, and when it's really bad I get an eye strain like feeling when I walk into grocery stores.Are you sure brainfog is not just what it feels like when stress hormones are powerfully reduced?
@johnsmith
"A lot of people have severe issues with milk in general.
Indeed,the bacterial contamination is concerning,the bacterial profile is for a species with complex multigastric digestion system,and is probably geared towards infection of the gastric system of the host.
because they are sick and not addressing their problems with a coherent approach and instead doing dumb allergy diets and becoming neurotic about food
pure speculation
Hey guys, before i start this off i just want to say i 100% support Peat and what he stands for in terms of dairy and calcium, i notice what he says works, when i eat a lot of calcium i get a huge metabolic boost,
but one thing i really wanted to bring to light in this forum is the real downsides or nasty side of dairy that not too many folks seem to be discussing,
what prompted me to do this is i'm a huge dairy consumer, 2L of skim milk or tons of fat free yogurt and lots of cheese,
the issue is i have extremely severe bowel issues, something what i speculate to be crohn's, i get hard swelling in my gut liver and intestines area, my skin goes almost pale jaundice, i get horrible brain fog and really bad B.O. essentially all of the horrible endotoxin symptoms,
and i notice this EVERYTIME i go really hard on dairy and load up on lots of it,
so i get extremely sick like someone with crohn's would horrible fatigue bad skin hair loss etc, then every time i cut out dairy things seem to improve real fast,
so i did a little bit of digging, and while there's not much out there (likely due to the dairy industry covering their tracks) i came across a few things i wanted to share to open a discussion on here and get some feedback,
so Haidut made a post on here saying crohn's and collitis have been tied to fungi and bacteria implicating it's possible it could be completely bacterial based (combined with the hosts response to inflammation like fibrosis etc)
one of the microbes that the finger was pointed at was the mycobacterium paratuberculosis.
Now if you do any research on this M.A.P. bacteria, you will notice it's ALWAYS implicated to be sourced largely from dairy products as the main source of contamination,
So bottom line M.A.P. - the mycobacterium has been said to be thee bacterial cause of crohn's because it was noted that infection with this bacteria in cows caused the cow version of crohn's essentially which they call John's disease.
So if that bacteria essentially causes crohn's in cows, and its contaminated largely in dairy products (and not eliminated by pasteurization) who's to say it isn't doing the same or at least driving an extensive inflammatory process with endotoxin,
has anyone ever noticed the amount of people on the Peat forum that report so many problems with dairy? they go back and forth like myself between their own belief and Peat's advice with dairy.
Now with all this being said i would like to say i 100% agree with Peat on dairy BUT, i think we should also think for ourselves like he says and let our own judgement pass on something uninfluenced by the words of others.
One thing we need to remember is Peat likely has access to the highest quality clean dairy products where as most of us are drinking the commercialized garbage thats been reported to have fecal contamination, aflatoxin, xenoestrogens, etc I could go on.
So with that being said should we really consume EXCESSIVE amounts of dairy if it is commercialized and possibly causing major issues and largely contributing to the inflammatory process.
Everywhere you look on the internet you see an association between dairy causing dysbiosis and leaky gut, and while a lot of stuff is just vegan propoganda, on the flip side, it's actually EXTREMELY difficult to find conclusive studies on dairy because the dairy industry is so powerful in terms of influencing the outcomes and words of these studies that cannot be denied.
Besides the M.A.P. species i mentioned there's been so many other pathogenic bacteria reported to be in milk and dairy products, and personally when i consume large amounts of commercialized dairy i feel like a big bag of bacterial overgrowth, just bad body odour poor skin, swollen gut etc.
I'm going to link a few studies / threads / articles that kind of sparked my interest and motivation to create this thread, let me know what you guys think,
i'd love to hear feedback and other peoples experiences with dairy,
basically i would really just like to discuss the extensive downsides to commercialized dairy vs organic and it's possible negative implications on human health specifically gut health and endotoxin,
considering us Peat followers on the forum are consuming more dairy than anyone else, i really think we should bring our heads together and discuss this because i feel like it needs to be addressed,
the fecal contamination, possible fungal spores, aflatoxin, bacteria plastics, xenoestrogens, pesticides etc. let's dig it all up!
Peat has actually mentioned this himself too is "organic" or local dairy is always best, i just feel he may not put enough of an emphasis on it, maybe these things about pathogenic bacteria in commercial dairy hasn't been brought to his attention much.
it's very difficult to find studies that will actually come out and state these implications of these negatives on human health, so i will post some of these links below, let me know what you guys think, let's take a much closer look at all the downsides to commercial dairy that doesn't get addressed much on here and discuss how it may or may not be affecting all of our health due to our mass consumption,
here's a conclusive quote from one of the studies,
"Unacceptable levels of Enterobacter spp. and Escherichia coli were found in most of the samples. Effective measures to ensure safe milk for human consumption such as the phosphatase test and methylene blue reduction test should be routinely performed on each batch of milk processed by dairy plants."
-Also note, some of these studies examine milk from different countries so it may not be all universal, however it still gives us a broad insight,
and last thing i want to mention, is Peat always says animals are essentially like detoxification systems, and that they inactivate most toxins to prevent them from reaching things like the milk, HOWEVER, we know that organisms that are not healthy do not have good detoxification capabilities, he said this with humans, any stress kills the enzymes needed to detoxify like the glucoronic acid pathway i think he mentioned,
So just imagine how unhealthy these animals are under immense amounts of psychological and physical stress, eating only grains and PUFA contaminated with aflatoxin, and living in their own feces essentially, i doubt these animals are very good at detoxifying really anything given their state and living situations,
it really seems like local or organic clean milk really may be the only option for improving health with dairy... at least from the way it's looking.
Fungi / Bacteria, Not Autoimmunity, Cause IBD (Chron's, UC) And IBS
Microbial Contamination in Milk Quality and Health Risk of the Consumers of Raw Milk and Dairy Products | IntechOpen
https://www.researchgate.net/public...cts_occurrence_and_recent_challenges_A_review
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308294887_Bacterial_Contamination_of_Dairy_Products
The microbial content of unexpired pasteurized milk from selected supermarkets in a developing country
https://www.researchgate.net/public...UCTS_A_CASE_STUDY_BACAU_DISTRICT_AREA_ROMANIA
I tried my Aunt's coffee when I was 7 and I found it delicious.Have you ever thought of making a latte and seeing if your children preferred that?
My train of thought is the body knows best, but it has to be exposed to the all the options to know what it prefers. A child works within the environment they are raised in, but as they mature they are exposed to more and more foods and combinations and as a result the taste refines. I loved cereal as a kid because of the sugar and milk, but it took me 25 years to figure out that it wasn’t quite as good as removing the starch from the equation and putting in coffee!
I’ve often wondered if I were to have kids whether I would get them on coffee from their infancy. The child brain is hyperplastic, for good reason, but if given the option of making them even more precocious....why not?
selected herbivore-microbiome.