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ravster02 said:I may consider doing this. The caffeine spray is easy to make since it's soluble in water.
lvysaur said:I've made two posts on Peatarian.com about this topic, and it'd be easier to just read my original posts there.
http://peatarian.com/52211/hypothesis-b ... e-hormones
http://peatarian.com/52219/how-do-b6-zi ... -synthesis
Basically, zinc and B6 in combination should inhibit 5ar (and thus DHT). This treats hair loss.
However, 5ar also synthesizes neuroprotective hormones. A common symptom of finasteride (which reduces 5ar) is brain fog.
If zinc and B6 inhibit 5ar in a similar fashion, using these as a natural hair loss therapy may also be undesirable.
Oof, so what does that mean for oysters? I'm doin a dozen raw a week right now.
Yes, you are absolutely right. I used multivitamins with 25 mg of Zinc/day and 100% NRV of B6 for 2 weeks and am suffering from PFS for the last siz months. Libido down to zero and erectyle dysfunction along with depressionI've made two posts on Peatarian.com about this topic, and it'd be easier to just read my original posts there.
http://peatarian.com/52211/hypothesis-b ... e-hormones
http://peatarian.com/52219/how-do-b6-zi ... -synthesis
Basically, zinc and B6 in combination should inhibit 5ar (and thus DHT). This treats hair loss.
However, 5ar also synthesizes neuroprotective hormones. A common symptom of finasteride (which reduces 5ar) is brain fog.
If zinc and B6 inhibit 5ar in a similar fashion, using these as a natural hair loss therapy may also be undesirable.
In high doses zinc acts as a 5ARI, stay under 45-50mg to avoid that effect otherwise it acts an aromatase inhibitor, which is good.
I only use 15 mg zinc picolinate a day
Yes, you are absolutely right. I used multivitamins with 25 mg of Zinc/day and 100% NRV of B6 for 2 weeks and am suffering from PFS for the last siz months. Libido down to zero and erectyle dysfunction along with depression
@TubZy you say > 45 -50mg zinc acts as AI. Is this not we want. When I see high DHT which all the males here say is a good thing I also high estrogens. Would high DHT be just as bad as low. The guys that I see with high DHT are definately not in a good state. But it may be for many other reeasons and elevated DHT is a protective mechanism.
Well aware of deleterious effects of high zinc and B6 supplementation as I have dealt with it in many of my clients. Have you experience in normalising high levels of DHT with zinc supplementation or ar you using zinc to raise DHT.
Less zinc in the picolinate form, though I would also monitor other minerals to be sure zinc is not antatonising magnesium, copper and Vitamin A. Many are low in these to begin with.
@Bluestreek, my experience is, those individuals thaNt have been placed on such protocols are always one step away from the emergency room. Once I take them off zinc + B6, we are able to achieve stability by addressing minerals deficiencies such as copper, vitamin A and removal of heavy metals. I don't use chelation therapy as these individuals are low in all minerals.
Have you explored further as to your mineral status. Zinc is considered benign but this has not been my experience. I have started to collect case studies. It may well be individual specific dependant on their overall mineral and heavy metal status. Peat is right that people improve once you take them off all the supplements which points to toxicity or imbalance of overall mineral/vitamin status.
Re. dht. Like any hormone too little or too much is going to cause problems. I think it is best to remove the stressor and then look at how best to optimise nutritional status. The problem is that many people are dealing with malabsorption problems so it is best to fix this first. For the rest of us that have no problem eating, we should be cautious in supplementing and if you do, make sure you know your status from the start, then monitor. My own work shows in healthy people; zinc is easily absorb from meals and the levels are noticeable from one meal to the next. As for B6; B-vitamins are designed to work together along with other nutrient cofactors and taking isolated vitamins (even when water soluble) and minerals is going to upset the natural order and balance.
Ever seen Jason Statham, Bruce Willis, Michael Jordan, etc? Plenty of dominant and handsome men who are completely bald.
I have a thick head of hair that has been that way even when I was in shitty metabolic health. Due to hair loss being a non factor for me, I haven't really researched the data on it but I know many bald guys (young and old) that lead great lives filled with healthy pay checks, beautiful wives/girlfriends etc. I am a little too obsessed with my appearance and health so I am not throwing stones from a glass house but it's important to realize that flaws are only unattractive when you are overly aware of them.
Keep improving metabolism, DHT, health etc and hopefully self worth will somewhat rise with it.
I have a thick head of hair
I've made two posts on Peatarian.com about this topic, and it'd be easier to just read my original posts there.
http://peatarian.com/52211/hypothesis-b ... e-hormones
http://peatarian.com/52219/how-do-b6-zi ... -synthesis
Basically, zinc and B6 in combination should inhibit 5ar (and thus DHT). This treats hair loss.
However, 5ar also synthesizes neuroprotective hormones. A common symptom of finasteride (which reduces 5ar) is brain fog.
If zinc and B6 inhibit 5ar in a similar fashion, using these as a natural hair loss therapy may also be undesirable.
@TubZy you say > 45 -50mg zinc acts as AI. Is this not we want. When I see high DHT which all the males here say is a good thing I also high estrogens. Would high DHT be just as bad as low. The guys that I see with high DHT are definately not in a good state. But it may be for many other reeasons and elevated DHT is a protective mechanism.
Well aware of deleterious effects of high zinc and B6 supplementation as I have dealt with it in many of my clients. Have you experience in normalising high levels of DHT with zinc supplementation or ar you using zinc to raise DHT.
Less zinc in the picolinate form, though I would also monitor other minerals to be sure zinc is not antatonising magnesium, copper and Vitamin A. Many are low in these to begin with.
@Bluestreek, my experience is, those individuals that have been placed on such protocols are always one step away from the emergency room. Once I take them off zinc + B6, we are able to achieve stability by addressing minerals deficiencies such as copper, vitamin A and removal of heavy metals. I don't use chelation therapy as these individuals are low in all minerals.
Have you explored further as to your mineral status. Zinc is considered benign but this has not been my experience. I have started to collect case studies. It may well be individual specific dependant on their overall mineral and heavy metal status. Peat is right that people improve once you take them off all the supplements which points to toxicity or imbalance of overall mineral/vitamin status.
Re. dht. Like any hormone too little or too much is going to cause problems. I think it is best to remove the stressor and then look at how best to optimise nutritional status. The problem is that many people are dealing with malabsorption problems so it is best to fix this first. For the rest of us that have no problem eating, we should be cautious in supplementing and if you do, make sure you know your status from the start, then monitor. My own work shows in healthy people; zinc is easily absorb from meals and the levels are noticeable from one meal to the next. As for B6; B-vitamins are designed to work together along with other nutrient cofactors and taking isolated vitamins (even when water soluble) and minerals is going to upset the natural order and balance.
DHT is a doble edge sword. It supercharges you with strenght, confidence, libido... but in return ages you the most. You take the choice.