How to BREATHE while mewing and why some people have no mewing results

[Dr. B]

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Yep! I notice that Native Americans in general have great bone structure - many of the cribs they constructed for their children for example seemed to encourage skull development (this is hinted in the video @emac posted)

There's another thing that helps that I forgot to attach to the thread which I put here for others as well - if you put your lips in an outward duck face (like the face the girl above is making) - the duck faces that girls do in photos where it's almost like they are kissing outward - you will be using your buccinator muscles to provide an extra 200 grams of force if I remember correctly - the force is quiet powerful and I do think it's very helpful to provide more force to expand and lengthen the jaws - as long as it doesn't feel stressful I encourage it - it gets easier and easier with time as the airways get bigger and more freed

so duckfaces practiced over time do they help define and make the cheekbones pop more

native americans used to follow something similar to the maasai diet lots of raw meat raw dairy consumption, nose to tail meat eating, eating even the testes, eyes, all those organs people tend to avoid

 

[JamesGatz]

so duckfaces practiced over time do they help define and make the cheekbones pop more

native americans used to follow something similar to the maasai diet lots of raw meat raw dairy consumption, nose to tail meat eating, eating even the testes, eyes, all those organs people tend to avoid

The way I see it -

Mewing loosens up the upper palate to prime it ready for good movement - doing the duckface leverages your muscles for some very good force to move the upper jaws

While doing it - i think it's important to keep the jaws open while doing the face - people should feel pressure in the lower jaws while doing this - this ensures the mandible follows the growth in my view - similar to this but not as extreme

Doing the duck face without keeping the jaws open and the lower jaw dropped eventually results in maxillary protrusion in my view (prognathism)

I think for people with an overbite you would benefit more by dropping the lower jaw low and at a forward vector (forward direction) while doing these exercises

for those with an underbite you would benefit more from the duckface without keeping the mandible dropped as low in my view

There should be a balance maintained in my view with these things

 

[reaching]

I’ve gotten a lot out of this thread and other posts and I’ve basically realized how my breathing and snoring has been ******* from having braces and two upper teeth pulled as well as my wisdom teeth.

All day I have been keeping my lower jaw forward as if it were it what would have been my natural bite if I had not had teeth pulled for braces and it’s really crazy how much easier it is to breathe.

Problem is now my upper jaw is way too narrow and far back. So if I keep this up I will have one gnarly looking overbite and probably break a few lower teeth that stick up more than ideal.

Anyways. I just realized now amount of mewing or keeping much tongue on the roof of my mouth is going to drastically change bone that has already shifted.

I wish I had never gotten braces but I was a child and my mom worked for an orthodontist lol. So there’s that.

 

[ursidae]

I’ve gotten a lot out of this thread and other posts and I’ve basically realized how my breathing and snoring has been ******* from having braces and two upper teeth pulled as well as my wisdom teeth.

All day I have been keeping my lower jaw forward as if it were it what would have been my natural bite if I had not had teeth pulled for braces and it’s really crazy how much easier it is to breathe.

Problem is now my upper jaw is way too narrow and far back. So if I keep this up I will have one gnarly looking overbite and probably break a few lower teeth that stick up more than ideal.

Anyways. I just realized now amount of mewing or keeping much tongue on the roof of my mouth is going to drastically change bone that has already shifted.

I wish I had never gotten braces but I was a child and my mom worked for an orthodontist lol. So there’s that.

I'm in the same boat as you. I had multiple completely unnecessary extractions as a child, always mouth breathing due to rhinitis as a result of growing up in a moldy, dust-ridden house and a city with severely polluted air. Before expansion from braces my dental arches were incredibly narrow. The arch is now wide but the functional issues remain and my breathing capacity is low. I'm in Europe and have been looking at the Maxillofacial institute in Barcelona and this orthognatic surgeon Federico Hernandez-Alfaro has produced some impressive results. There are testimonies online. I hope to one day be able to get maxillo mandibular advancement with him as no one performs this in my country. If there are surgeons such as this where you live you can request a sleep study done on you and a specialist to evaluate the extent to which air way is obstructed. If you do that and it shows impairment due to your facial development you can have that surgery covered

 

[reaching]

I'm in the same boat as you. I had multiple completely unnecessary extractions as a child, always mouth breathing due to rhinitis as a result of growing up in a moldy, dust-ridden house and a city with severely polluted air. Before expansion from braces my dental arches were incredibly narrow. The arch is now wide but the functional issues remain and my breathing capacity is low. I'm in Europe and have been looking at the Maxillofacial institute in Barcelona and this orthognatic surgeon Federico Hernandez-Alfaro has produced some impressive results. There are testimonies online. I hope to one day be able to get maxillo mandibular advancement with him as no one performs this in my country. If there are surgeons such as this where you live you can request a sleep study done on you and a specialist to evaluate the extent to which air way is obstructed. If you do that and it shows impairment due to your facial development you can have that surgery covered

Very interesting.
I have only seen diagrams or gifs of that procedure.
I am not sure I could handle going under or such a surgery.
It also seems like a really extreme procedure... I will look more into it now that I now the name of it, thank you!
It seems like the only real solution.
I have an appointment for sleep apnea consultation next week to try and get a cpap machine.
I just want to be able to at least breathe when when I am sleeping ha.

 

[JamesGatz]

I’ve gotten a lot out of this thread and other posts and I’ve basically realized how my breathing and snoring has been ******* from having braces and two upper teeth pulled as well as my wisdom teeth.

All day I have been keeping my lower jaw forward as if it were it what would have been my natural bite if I had not had teeth pulled for braces and it’s really crazy how much easier it is to breathe.

Problem is now my upper jaw is way too narrow and far back. So if I keep this up I will have one gnarly looking overbite and probably break a few lower teeth that stick up more than ideal.

Anyways. I just realized now amount of mewing or keeping much tongue on the roof of my mouth is going to drastically change bone that has already shifted.

I wish I had never gotten braces but I was a child and my mom worked for an orthodontist lol. So there’s that.​

I'm in the same boat as you. I had multiple completely unnecessary extractions as a child, always mouth breathing due to rhinitis as a result of growing up in a moldy, dust-ridden house and a city with severely polluted air. Before expansion from braces my dental arches were incredibly narrow. The arch is now wide but the functional issues remain and my breathing capacity is low. I'm in Europe and have been looking at the Maxillofacial institute in Barcelona and this orthognatic surgeon Federico Hernandez-Alfaro has produced some impressive results. There are testimonies online. I hope to one day be able to get maxillo mandibular advancement with him as no one performs this in my country. If there are surgeons such as this where you live you can request a sleep study done on you and a specialist to evaluate the extent to which air way is obstructed. If you do that and it shows impairment due to your facial development you can have that surgery covered​

These are a few methods that also help tremendously :

If you wear a hoodie and place the hood more so on the midpoint/back of the skull - you should feel a strong forward movement on the jaws - its a skull rotation so the hoodie pulling the back of your skull in a backward rotation will result in the forward rotation in the jaws - should feel a lot easier to breathe

if your skull is too large for a hood i have more creative ways to do this ...

Sticking your pelvis out - if you stick your gut out and pretend you have a belly - you should feel a strong forward force on the jaws - another user alpha_male had mentioned this in the other mewing thread

this is important becasue any backwards force on the pelvis would in-turn pull your jaws back (i.e. sitting in a chair, a belt, tight pants, etc.)

When we sit down - we instinctively pull the pelvis inward - another reason I don't think its a natural position

As a night time ritual - I would recommend doing the malasana squat with a free range of motion (no clothes)- and while doing it - try to stick your pelvis forward for maximum benefit - you should feel a very powerful effect on moving your jaws forward while doing so


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYyzhhnb-B0&ab_channel=SarahMalcolm



for an overbite:

While mewing - try to get the front teeth on your lower jaw and try your best to reach it to your front teeth on your upper jaw - you should feel the condyle move down and the lower jaw begin to catch up

for an underbite:

While mewing - you can just hold a duck face/kiss face like the ones that girls do on social media - this should have your maxilla catch up very quick using the force of your buccinators

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[reaching]

pretend you have a belly

Oh I don’t need to pretend on that one haha.

Thank for the tips. I will try them out.

 

[JamesGatz]

I have another mewing method here - all credit goes to theSir on RPF, and Karan from the TGW and TGW in general - this is their method I'm just a delivery boy

If you have an overbite, trouble breathing while mewing or want to extend your mandibular (lower jaw) length in general - this method will greatly help you

Basically instead of keeping your whole tongue on the roof of the mouth

you instead

have your tongue on the roof of the mouth but tuck the tip of your tongue back to the lower jaw - behind your incisors - you can combine this method with jutting your mandible (lower jaw) forward and it works great - I put a diagram to help you envision how this works.

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[JamesGatz]

I have another mewing method here - all credit goes to theSir on RPF, and Karan from the TGW and TGW in general - this is their method I'm just a delivery boy

If you have an overbite, trouble breathing while mewing or want to extend your mandibular (lower jaw) length in general - this method will greatly help you

Basically instead of keeping your whole tongue on the roof of the mouth

you instead

have your tongue on the roof of the mouth but tuck the tip of your tongue back to the lower jaw - behind your incisors - you can combine this method with jutting your mandible (lower jaw) forward and it works great - I put a diagram to help you envision how this works.

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Another thing I should emphasize while trying is to relax your breathing:

Your tongue will exert the most force on your inhale - so try doing a slower and deeper inhale and you should feel a lot less stressed and your jaws expanding more as a result and of course your jaws should be open while trying this and not shut or clenched

Especially when you are feeling stressed, just take a slow and deep inhale when trying this method and you should feel a lot more relaxed

 

[JamesGatz]

I would strongly recommend following this thread while trying this new mewing method especially - breathing correctly is extremely important for ideal results and for metabolic health in general:

Awaken your breathing - Guided breathing exercises and meditations to boost metabolism, reduce stress, and expand our bones

This will be a thread dedicated to breathing correctly and to awaken our breathing systems - respiration/breathing are extremely important to metabolic health and is definitely a field that I believe this many on the forum will benefit from ***** Full Credit to The Great Work/Kharna Dharma and...

raypeatforum.com

 

[ursidae]

"novus ordo seclorum"

 

[joaquin]

What would you like me to show you ? Success stories of people that mewed correctly ? They are all over the internet at your disposal - I do not have "conclusive evidence" that it works - this thread is meant to show users how to breathe while mewing and why they may not have results.

The monkey in your profile pic looks like he mews quiete a bit :) I suppose that's the best conclusive evidence you can find off the top of my head

I want a pet monkey for Christmas.

 

[JamesGatz]

I've been doing some interesting experiments lately

I've been using my tongue to push my teeth - making my teeth arches more positive - like in the image below - now here's the interesting part:

Once the arches of my teeth became more positive - my nose became a lot more curved - I ran another experiment pushing my teeth arches more inward to see how my nose would respond and it lost some curvature - I imagine if I were to continue pushing my nose would begin to take more of a crooked form

If your nose is crooked and you would like to fix it to be curved - I would try that experiment to see if it improves with your arches at a more positive angle

Now the interesting part is the things that can cause this - braces will mess up your teeth arches for sure, I think if you brush your teeth and press inward with your brush that will mess up your arches and from experimentation I believe glasses do as well - I actually do think wearing glasses prevents the jaws from moving past a certain point and messes with breathing as a result as well as the weight of the glasses kinds of forces the maxilla to downward slope

 

[Nomane Euger]

@JamesGatz almost my entire family,one of my sister,my mother,my 4 uncles,my 5 aunt all have a witch crooked nose and they were all extremly nasty to each other most of their life and many of them are still to this day,i had a witch crooked nose up until 19 years old approximatively,then i started nose breathing most of the times and tryed different diets fads,found some positive from it,my nose is not crooked anymore.

these jaw anatomy picture are often of terrible design,where is the tongue?also according to you or to peoples that make claims on this topic,how are upper teeth suppose to rest on the lower teeth?there is some jaw designs that seems to assume that upper teeth and lower teeth are suppose to be like this picture i will link :

my upper teeth are way more in front of my lower teeth when i fully close my jaw and/or i exert some biting pressure,rather than above them

 

[JamesGatz]

my upper teeth are way more in front of my lower teeth when i fully close my jaw and/or i exert some biting pressure,rather than above them

Do you find that it improves if you keep the tongue on the roof of the mouth but tuck the tip of your tongue to your lower jaw socket and pushing the lower jaw forward with your tongue so that both jaws are in the same position almost? Like the image below

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I think both having the upper jaw past the lower and vice-versa can be harmful in different ways - I think ideally both the upper and lower should be in relatively the same position

 

[VitoScaletta]

my upper teeth are way more in front of my lower teeth when i fully close my jaw

You have an overbite, this is a craniodental deformity

 

[JamesGatz]

Something Interesting I learned recently:

I believe keeping your tongue entirely on the roof of your mouth (maxilla) leads to the lower jaw becoming underdeveloped and makes your personality more submissive - Girls tend to have this look a lot so I think too much progesterone/estrogen may encourage this structure

But if you tuck your tongue back into your lower jaw while mewing - this will develop your lower jaw and make you more dominant - this is the look that some guys have these days

I believe the different nerves in the upper and lower jaw in the body accomplish different outcomes in terms of hormones/personality and ultimately I believe having your tongue on both the lower and upper jaw is the most ideal scenario (dominant)

 

[VitoScaletta]

Something Interesting I learned recently:

I believe keeping your tongue entirely on the roof of your mouth (maxilla) leads to the lower jaw becoming underdeveloped and makes your personality more submissive - Girls tend to have this look a lot so I think too much progesterone/estrogen may encourage this structure

But if you tuck your tongue back into your lower jaw while mewing - this will develop your lower jaw and make you more dominant - this is the look that some guys have these days

I believe the different nerves in the upper and lower jaw in the body accomplish different outcomes in terms of hormones/personality and ultimately I believe having your tongue on both the lower and upper jaw is the most ideal scenario (dominant)

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Is there a name for type of "mewing"/tongue placement shown in the lower picture?

 

[VitoScaletta]

Also what's the name of the guy on the right

 

[JamesGatz]

Is there a name for type of "mewing"/tongue placement shown in the lower picture?

I don't believe so

Also what's the name of the guy on the right

That is a young Jay Leno on the right with a young Brad Pitt on the left