Arctic Fire
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Would value your thoughts on how to avoid high stress hormones after eating protein.
A relative of mine gets crazy surges of stress hormones after minor stresses, including eating meals with more than roughly 15 g of protein. He's likely already protein deficient, so these surges are a big problem.
The adrenaline surges can come shortly after eating or (more often) 1-3 hours later. Typically, among other symptoms, he gets anxious/agitated and somewhat short of breath, he feels sensations of cranial pressure, and his blood pressure rises. Sometimes also gets chills or dry mouth. The surges last for hours.
We try to make sure that at each meal he gets gelatin if necessary to balance inflammatory amino acids as well as enough carbs and sat fat to balance the protein. He begins each meal with a few spoonfuls of ice cream and often ends a meal with a tablespoon of coconut oil. He shoots for at least 3X as much carbs as protein at each meal.
It seems like the surges are worse with liver and eggs than other proteins, but as far as we can tell, all proteins cause the surges if he eats enough of them.
Once a surge has started, even large amounts of sugar, sat fat, and salt don't usually do much.
The adrenaline surges tend to be worst (and most common) after lunch, but that pattern might reflect the timing of his clonidine doses.
Questions for you:
- Anyone with similar experiences?
- Any ideas about what's causing this reaction to protein? If just hypoglycemia, why doesn't sugar shut it down?
- Roughly what ratios of carbs to protein and sat fat to protein at each meal would you recommend for someone with high stress hormones?
- Any thoughts about how to prevent/avoid these reactions and get my relative more protein? Long shots are welcome.
Thanks for your help and insights.
Background on my relative:
- Eats mostly fruit, fruit juice, cheese, ice cream, gelatin, oysters, other shellfish, raw carrot, cooked mushrooms, and to extent he can tolerate them, eggs and liver. Experiments with starch have gone badly.
- He has low vitamin D, high TSH, high serum lactic acid.
- We think he may be deficient in several B vitamins and want to give him plenty of liver but...adrenaline.
- Appetite is poor.
- Generally can't take pro-metabolic supps like thyroid, aspirin, caffeine, pregnenolone, or adrenaline gets much worse.
- To improve his balance of CO2 to lactic acid, he takes B1, B7 (biotin), and low doses of acetazolamide. Also tapes his mouth at night.
- Takes clonidine for the adrenaline spikes. It helps, but not enough.
- Because of the adrenaline problem he is sedentary and has to avoid bright sunlight (adrenaline trigger).
A relative of mine gets crazy surges of stress hormones after minor stresses, including eating meals with more than roughly 15 g of protein. He's likely already protein deficient, so these surges are a big problem.
The adrenaline surges can come shortly after eating or (more often) 1-3 hours later. Typically, among other symptoms, he gets anxious/agitated and somewhat short of breath, he feels sensations of cranial pressure, and his blood pressure rises. Sometimes also gets chills or dry mouth. The surges last for hours.
We try to make sure that at each meal he gets gelatin if necessary to balance inflammatory amino acids as well as enough carbs and sat fat to balance the protein. He begins each meal with a few spoonfuls of ice cream and often ends a meal with a tablespoon of coconut oil. He shoots for at least 3X as much carbs as protein at each meal.
It seems like the surges are worse with liver and eggs than other proteins, but as far as we can tell, all proteins cause the surges if he eats enough of them.
Once a surge has started, even large amounts of sugar, sat fat, and salt don't usually do much.
The adrenaline surges tend to be worst (and most common) after lunch, but that pattern might reflect the timing of his clonidine doses.
Questions for you:
- Anyone with similar experiences?
- Any ideas about what's causing this reaction to protein? If just hypoglycemia, why doesn't sugar shut it down?
- Roughly what ratios of carbs to protein and sat fat to protein at each meal would you recommend for someone with high stress hormones?
- Any thoughts about how to prevent/avoid these reactions and get my relative more protein? Long shots are welcome.
Thanks for your help and insights.
Background on my relative:
- Eats mostly fruit, fruit juice, cheese, ice cream, gelatin, oysters, other shellfish, raw carrot, cooked mushrooms, and to extent he can tolerate them, eggs and liver. Experiments with starch have gone badly.
- He has low vitamin D, high TSH, high serum lactic acid.
- We think he may be deficient in several B vitamins and want to give him plenty of liver but...adrenaline.
- Appetite is poor.
- Generally can't take pro-metabolic supps like thyroid, aspirin, caffeine, pregnenolone, or adrenaline gets much worse.
- To improve his balance of CO2 to lactic acid, he takes B1, B7 (biotin), and low doses of acetazolamide. Also tapes his mouth at night.
- Takes clonidine for the adrenaline spikes. It helps, but not enough.
- Because of the adrenaline problem he is sedentary and has to avoid bright sunlight (adrenaline trigger).