If you want to shut up a pro vaxxer and maybe crack that bubble, all you have to do is say this.

[area51puy]

We been told repeatedly that everybody needs to get the vaccine to stop this pandemic. And many have bought this hook line and sinker.

So instead of bringing up the adverse side effects, the data, global conspiracies etc!

So when they complain about misinformation and how we need to shut this down because these people are convincing people not to get the vaccine and killing people.

Just say if everybody needs to get the vaccine to stop this, then ask them why is there no pressure on Biden , congress and the pharmaceutical companies to release the patent to rest of the world that is keeping billions of black and brown people from getting the vaccine. This isn’t 1491 before Columbus sailed to America. New mutations of the virus can spread around the world.

So If we need everybody to be vaccinated to stop this why is there so much pressure to get someone a booster shot, when we have billions that haven’t received one dose.

Tell them the tax payers paid for the research and development and then we paid for the vaccine for all of our citizens on top of that , while Pfizer made 36 billion in profits last year.
So if these pharmaceutical companies just want to save lives and tell us that we are killing people by spreading information on the adverse side effects of the vaccine , say well pharmaceutical companies are keeping this vaccine from billions of black and brown people across the world while they make billions, so who really is the biggest antivaxxer?

So ask them if you really believe this is about saving lives, trying to own an antivaxxer because you believe they are killing people and then say nothing about big pharma keeping the vaccine from billions around the world, tell them you are being the ultimate antivaxxer?

Tell them they are being an useful idiot for big pharma’s profits. And if pharma actually cared about stopping this pandemic they wouldn’t be charging for a vaccine that was paid for by American tax dollars. So if you still believe we need everybody vaccinated to stop this then why are you not using all this energy to pressure big pharma to release the patent to billions around the world.

We all know this vaccine is bull**** , but this ultimately is a way to crack that bubble they are in and after that they may be more open to all the other adverse effects of the vaccine and maybe the government conspiracies behind this vaccine.

So your first instinct is not for this vaccine to be pushed around the world , but the last thing these pharmaceutical companies want is the finger to be pointed back at them and being forced to release the patent and killing the gravy train of billions in profits every year.

So if we can get the pro vaccine useful idiots for big pharma to turn the finger back at big pharma. And if they were actually forced by public pressure to release the patent and like ivermectin being off patent you wouldn’t have the incentive to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to influence media and government to force this vaccine on us.

With the monopoly on this vaccine gone it kills the profit motive.

This argument is like judo using their momentum

 

[area51puy]

Momentum in Judo. The best way to kick someone's butt is to let him throw himselves. How? Use the momentum in his attack against him!!! Who Needs Technique?

 

[Peatness]

'Black and brown' people don't need 'vaccines'

Does African Need a Pandemic?

Africa seems to be lagging behind with Covid 19 cases https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-in-africa-why-is-the-death-rate-so-low-12236347 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Clinical trials of Covid vaccines took part in South Africa in 2020...

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[area51puy]

'Black and brown' people don't need 'vaccines'

Does African Need a Pandemic?

Africa seems to be lagging behind with Covid 19 cases https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-in-africa-why-is-the-death-rate-so-low-12236347 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Clinical trials of Covid vaccines took part in South Africa in 2020...

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I know they don’t need the vaccine!!!!

 

[area51puy]

The point is to crack their bubble. Why is this so hard to understand??!!!!!!

 

[Peatness]

The point is to crack their bubble. Why is this so hard to understand??!!!!!!

Find a better way to make your point!!!!!

 

[area51puy]

Find a better way to make your point!!!!!

This is chess you are playing checkers!!! We are going on our 4th booster

 

[area51puy]

You can bring up all the deaths ,adverse side effects conspiracies and all they see is a crazy person and they have all there prepared counter points provided to them by Fauci and the media. When you bring this up you get them
To think!

You ask them how come biden thinks he can mandate hundreds of millions to get the vaccine, but at the same time he says he can’t mandate the big pharmaceutical companies release the patent to billions around the world to save lives.

We know this vaccine is about power and money , but these pro vaccine idiots think it’s about saving lives and if you can crack that bubble they are in they will be more receptive to all the bull**** around this vaccine. I’ve have convinced many people to be more skeptical about the vaccine by starting with this argument.

 

[Lord Cola]

You could say the vax pass is racist because black people are less eager to put substances pushed by the government into themselves, and this leads to racial segregation.

Ask them what happened to "big pharma bad"

But they will find a way to downplay these by telling you, "you're being selfish" "not right now - we're in the middle of a pandemic" "I believe in science" "I know a person who died of covid" blah blah

No combination of words that one could speak in a reasonable duration of time can make up for decades of willful ignorance and lack of curiosity.

 

[SamYo123]

Avoiding a conversation of vaccines usually works

 

[area51puy]

You could say the vax pass is racist because black people are less eager to put substances pushed by the government into themselves, and this leads to racial segregation.

Ask them what happened to "big pharma bad"

But they will find a way to downplay these by telling you, "you're being selfish" "not right now - we're in the middle of a pandemic" "I believe in science" "I know a person who died of covid" blah blah

No combination of words that one could speak in a reasonable duration of time can make up for decades of willful ignorance and lack of curiosity.

That is another argument that appeals to liberal tendencies. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
You have to realize they think they are do the right thing and trying to save lives. So you have to bring up the hypocrisy of big pharma and that can crack the bubble.

 

[Lord Cola]

That is another argument that appeals to liberal tendencies. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
You have to realize they think they are do the right thing and trying to save lives. So you have to bring up the hypocrisy of big pharma and that can crack the bubble.

Yes, you need to chip away at their brainwashing by relating your arguments to their values, while pointing out undeniable contradictions in the mainstream narrative and extreme "coincidences" like that WHO graph showing how the flu disappeared after 2020. That one was particularly useful in my experience.

 

[AlaskaJono]

I am contributing this one now,"I am pro natural immunity". Always have been.

 

[Peatness]

This is chess you are playing checkers!!! We are going on our 4th booster

Hardly. I insist that Africans be left out of this covid madness even if you think you are "playing chess"

 

[Doc Sandoz]

We been told repeatedly that everybody needs to get the vaccine to stop this pandemic. And many have bought this hook line and sinker.

So instead of bringing up the adverse side effects, the data, global conspiracies etc!

So when they complain about misinformation and how we need to shut this down because these people are convincing people not to get the vaccine and killing people.

Just say if everybody needs to get the vaccine to stop this, then ask them why is there no pressure on Biden , congress and the pharmaceutical companies to release the patent to rest of the world that is keeping billions of black and brown people from getting the vaccine. This isn’t 1491 before Columbus sailed to America. New mutations of the virus can spread around the world.

So If we need everybody to be vaccinated to stop this why is there so much pressure to get someone a booster shot, when we have billions that haven’t received one dose.

Tell them the tax payers paid for the research and development and then we paid for the vaccine for all of our citizens on top of that , while Pfizer made 36 billion in profits last year.
So if these pharmaceutical companies just want to save lives and tell us that we are killing people by spreading information on the adverse side effects of the vaccine , say well pharmaceutical companies are keeping this vaccine from billions of black and brown people across the world while they make billions, so who really is the biggest antivaxxer?

So ask them if you really believe this is about saving lives, trying to own an antivaxxer because you believe they are killing people and then say nothing about big pharma keeping the vaccine from billions around the world, tell them you are being the ultimate antivaxxer?

Tell them they are being an useful idiot for big pharma’s profits. And if pharma actually cared about stopping this pandemic they wouldn’t be charging for a vaccine that was paid for by American tax dollars. So if you still believe we need everybody vaccinated to stop this then why are you not using all this energy to pressure big pharma to release the patent to billions around the world.

We all know this vaccine is bull**** , but this ultimately is a way to crack that bubble they are in and after that they may be more open to all the other adverse effects of the vaccine and maybe the government conspiracies behind this vaccine.

So your first instinct is not for this vaccine to be pushed around the world , but the last thing these pharmaceutical companies want is the finger to be pointed back at them and being forced to release the patent and killing the gravy train of billions in profits every year.

So if we can get the pro vaccine useful idiots for big pharma to turn the finger back at big pharma. And if they were actually forced by public pressure to release the patent and like ivermectin being off patent you wouldn’t have the incentive to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to influence media and government to force this vaccine on us.

With the monopoly on this vaccine gone it kills the profit motive.

This argument is like judo using their momentum

Logic is useless against the brainwashed masses.

 

[Ben.]

The point is to crack their bubble.

There are many points that can be made. many of them are not conspiracies but they either still call them that due to cognitive dissonance or they don't deem they relevant or useful even tho they are. I have made a few posts about the hipocrisy of the pro vaxx cultists already who excercise the most incredible mental gymnastics when it comes to all of this but thats not the point of this thread.

If it was about health ...

• why are vaccine companys and goverments engaging in contracts that does not allow said goverments to redistribute or gift their vaccines to other countrys and give it thoose in "need"?
• why are we vaccinating people on a mass scale like this without any regards of the individuals medical history? People get jabbed in malls and outdoor containers/buses in a assembly line fashion.
• why is natural immunity not accepted over the experimental RNA innoculation? Any reasonable person or atleast a common sense virologist would say in that case there is no reason to engage in the risk of the experimental vaccine.
• why are people forced to wear masks containing unhealthy chemicals on their face almost everywhere all day long while rebreathing the culture of bacterial, fungal and viral load on it while its not even preventing spread?
• why do people have to get their mucosa lining repedeatly insulted with swabs that won't give much information about illness or infectiousness of the individual, let alone that its a "snap" of that very moment in that particular nostril. Theoreticaly the person could get the virus the minute after leaving the test center and spread it all over. Lets not forget the tendencies of false positives.
• why do we terrorize the people of this world psychologically trough the media and with politicians when it's known how impactfull stress and mental health is on the immunesystem?
• why are people not better and more openly informed about vaccines, mask and swab sideffects?
• why do we not use all this energy and this money that suddenly got made out of nowhere to improve infrastructure and healthcare services?
• why did we not use this money to provide at home supplement kits and treatment instructions as a first line of defense or worst case scenario?
• why is basic health advice not relevant anymore? (weight management, moving regulary, eating properly, getting enough sunlight etc.?)
• why are alternative treatments villified instead of being added to the toolkit?
• why are population groups forced to take the risk of innoculation eventho covid is not relevant to them statistically speaking?
• why are "you" not locked up at home most of the time if the illness is so dangerous?
• why are "you" not wearing a full body hazmat suit at all times?
• why are "you" putting on a mask entering a buisness but put it off at the table?
• why are people allowed to go on vaccations during a pandemic?
• why are we firing doctors and nurses when all these hospitals are supposedly overly filled with rona patients eventho these professionals have natural immunity?
• why are people that work alone in a private office with no physical human interactions required to wear masks, get tests and be vaxxinated?
• why hasn't there been much open and public debate over risks and benefits with clear information about the damage and implications that inevatebly are caused by these responses?
• why are vaccine injuries not taken seriously? why are thoose injured on their own financialy and medically?
• why is all cause mortality increasing and correlating with massscale-vaccine administration?
• why are we basing our health advise and responses on simulations and models that have turned to be severly wrong and flawed in their prediction?



If this isn't a political and financial fraud in a totalitarian fashion ...

• why are the vaccine manufacterers not making their ingredients and production openly available and/or sell the product without making a insane profit off it?
• why is the goverment not imposing on the manufacterers, pharma giants and scientists/medical professionals to provide this as cheap and freely as possible for the sake of the population? Why is it even that private companies got any say in this "worldwide" crisis?
• why is the burden of proof for any of these actions so minimal?
• why are so many assumptions and statements made to induce a action on the population, only to have that assumption (lie) to turn out to be wrong in a few weeks/months afterwards?
• why is the population not demanding 100% transparancy of the manfucterers data, funding and all the people involved? Same goes for the politicians and the media. Afterall they literally trample on our basic rights to work and to move freely. If everything is as fine and dandy as they say then there is literally no reason to not be completly 100% open and transparent.
• why are scientists and medical professionals censored and revoked of their licenses when having alternating opinions on the matter?
• why is every form of opposition or scepticism more and more criminalized?
• why are public health and safety officials engaging in discriminations, scapegoating and excessive gaslightning?
• why do we need a piece of paper or QR-Code to be able to live a "normal" life and enter public places? It says nothing about the health situation or infectiousness of the person.
• then how come people are put in camps.
• then how is it that people have to pay "fines" for being healthy and existing?
• then how is it that politicians are obviously engaging in what can only be described in provoking civil unrest?
• why is every piece of media and politician informing the public with literally the same script. Meaning literally the entire sentences are the exact same.
• why are we using insane amounts of money for advertising this magic product instead of using it to actually deal with stuff like world hunger and public health.
• why are the same people forcing us to do all this, the same ones profiting off of it?
• why are people forced out of their homes?
• why are people forced to loose their job?
• why are rich and powerful, influential leaders of politics and companys not required to follow the rules? I mean they impose lockdowns and then go to partys themself.
• why are unvaxxinated but healthy people segregated, criminalized and forced to pay money, but people being overweight, drinking, smoking, driving cars etc. are not?
• why are we ruining and inflating the economy so needlessly?
• why is there always a new variant discovered when things seem to get "back to normal" or when vaccine sales decline?
• how is it that there is so much financial incentive to keep the pandemic going?
• why is conflict of interest not relevant anymore?
• why are things getting consistently worse with increased vaccinations, lockdowns and the rules/laws they impose?
• why are definitions changed continously to fit changes in the narrative?
• why are old studies and publications unrelated to covid removed or altered in retrospec? Why now when we have this "crisis" to handle?
• why are doctors, scientists, manufacteres and politicians who impose all of this, not forced to take personal responsibility and liability for these safe and effective and apparantly "neccessary" actions taken upon the public? Should be no big deal right?


If this was about solidarity ...

• why didn't we do any of this before for all the people that died of infuenza or any other virus/pathogen?
• why didn't we do any of this for all the people dying of hunger? (a issue easily fixed by any of thoose goverments or rich philantropists unlike a virus)
• why are we showing solidarity to the abstract idea of illness and its supposed victims but not the really easily proven, manmade damage and harm done to the people who lost their job, lost their homes, got injured for life by the innoculations and so on and so forth?
• why didn't we do any of these radical measures for all the environmental toxicities that are manmade, proven to cause cancers and other chronic ailments?
• where is the solidarity for all the suicides this society caused?

---

One could make a endless list here. Take what could be deemed a good question and discard the rest. I think most sheeple are not open to engage into any of these questions from a "sceptic" position.
I already know many "pro-vaxx, pro mandates, pro-totalitarianism" personas answers to many of them, which are usually realy ridiclious but w/e.

 

[Adf]

Well the biggest argument the vaxxers have (besides, 'you're a crazy conspiracy nut') is 'Trust the science'. This is what Fauci and crew repeat over and over again.
Just remind your peers that science is ALWAYS challenged. Science has always in the history of science, been challenged by fellow people but more importantly, challenged by fellow scientists.

Challenging science is how science improves. It's how we learn, we challenge science. All scientists know this.

So to say 'Trust the science' is CONTRADICTING when they're telling you not to challenge it. Anyone who is saying trust the science, so don't challenge it, is NOT A SCIENTIST.

 

[Lollipop2]

There are many points that can be made. many of them are not conspiracies but they either still call them that due to cognitive dissonance or they don't deem they relevant or useful even tho they are. I have made a few posts about the hipocrisy of the pro vaxx cultists already who excercise the most incredible mental gymnastics when it comes to all of this but thats not the point of this thread.

If it was about health ...

• why are vaccine companys and goverments engaging in contracts that does not allow said goverments to redistribute or gift their vaccines to other countrys and give it thoose in "need"?
• why are we vaccinating people on a mass scale like this without any regards of the individuals medical history? People get jabbed in malls and outdoor containers/buses in a assembly line fashion.
• why is natural immunity not accepted over the experimental RNA innoculation? Any reasonable person or atleast a common sense virologist would say in that case there is no reason to engage in the risk of the experimental vaccine.
• why are people forced to wear masks containing unhealthy chemicals on their face almost everywhere all day long while rebreathing the culture of bacterial, fungal and viral load on it while its not even preventing spread?
• why do people have to get their mucosa lining repedeatly insulted with swabs that won't give much information about illness or infectiousness of the individual, let alone that its a "snap" of that very moment in that particular nostril. Theoreticaly the person could get the virus the minute after leaving the test center and spread it all over. Lets not forget the tendencies of false positives.
• why do we terrorize the people of this world psychologically trough the media and with politicians when it's known how impactfull stress and mental health is on the immunesystem?
• why are people not better and more openly informed about vaccines, mask and swab sideffects?
• why do we not use all this energy and this money that suddenly got made out of nowhere to improve infrastructure and healthcare services?
• why did we not use this money to provide at home supplement kits and treatment instructions as a first line of defense or worst case scenario?
• why is basic health advice not relevant anymore? (weight management, moving regulary, eating properly, getting enough sunlight etc.?)
• why are alternative treatments villified instead of being added to the toolkit?
• why are population groups forced to take the risk of innoculation eventho covid is not relevant to them statistically speaking?
• why are "you" not locked up at home most of the time if the illness is so dangerous?
• why are "you" not wearing a full body hazmat suit at all times?
• why are "you" putting on a mask entering a buisness but put it off at the table?
• why are people allowed to go on vaccations during a pandemic?
• why are we firing doctors and nurses when all these hospitals are supposedly overly filled with rona patients eventho these professionals have natural immunity?
• why are people that work alone in a private office with no physical human interactions required to wear masks, get tests and be vaxxinated?
• why hasn't there been much open and public debate over risks and benefits with clear information about the damage and implications that inevatebly are caused by these responses?
• why are vaccine injuries not taken seriously? why are thoose injured on their own financialy and medically?
• why is all cause mortality increasing and correlating with massscale-vaccine administration?
• why are we basing our health advise and responses on simulations and models that have turned to be severly wrong and flawed in their prediction?



If this isn't a political and financial fraud in a totalitarian fashion ...

• why are the vaccine manufacterers not making their ingredients and production openly available and/or sell the product without making a insane profit off it?
• why is the goverment not imposing on the manufacterers, pharma giants and scientists/medical professionals to provide this as cheap and freely as possible for the sake of the population? Why is it even that private companies got any say in this "worldwide" crisis?
• why is the burden of proof for any of these actions so minimal?
• why are so many assumptions and statements made to induce a action on the population, only to have that assumption (lie) to turn out to be wrong in a few weeks/months afterwards?
• why is the population not demanding 100% transparancy of the manfucterers data, funding and all the people involved? Same goes for the politicians and the media. Afterall they literally trample on our basic rights to work and to move freely. If everything is as fine and dandy as they say then there is literally no reason to not be completly 100% open and transparent.
• why are scientists and medical professionals censored and revoked of their licenses when having alternating opinions on the matter?
• why is every form of opposition or scepticism more and more criminalized?
• why are public health and safety officials engaging in discriminations, scapegoating and excessive gaslightning?
• why do we need a piece of paper or QR-Code to be able to live a "normal" life and enter public places? It says nothing about the health situation or infectiousness of the person.
• then how come people are put in camps.
• then how is it that people have to pay "fines" for being healthy and existing?
• then how is it that politicians are obviously engaging in what can only be described in provoking civil unrest?
• why is every piece of media and politician informing the public with literally the same script. Meaning literally the entire sentences are the exact same.
• why are we using insane amounts of money for advertising this magic product instead of using it to actually deal with stuff like world hunger and public health.
• why are the same people forcing us to do all this, the same ones profiting off of it?
• why are people forced out of their homes?
• why are people forced to loose their job?
• why are rich and powerful, influential leaders of politics and companys not required to follow the rules? I mean they impose lockdowns and then go to partys themself.
• why are unvaxxinated but healthy people segregated, criminalized and forced to pay money, but people being overweight, drinking, smoking, driving cars etc. are not?
• why are we ruining and inflating the economy so needlessly?
• why is there always a new variant discovered when things seem to get "back to normal" or when vaccine sales decline?
• how is it that there is so much financial incentive to keep the pandemic going?
• why is conflict of interest not relevant anymore?
• why are things getting consistently worse with increased vaccinations, lockdowns and the rules/laws they impose?
• why are definitions changed continously to fit changes in the narrative?
• why are old studies and publications unrelated to covid removed or altered in retrospec? Why now when we have this "crisis" to handle?
• why are doctors, scientists, manufacteres and politicians who impose all of this, not forced to take personal responsibility and liability for these safe and effective and apparantly "neccessary" actions taken upon the public? Should be no big deal right?


If this was about solidarity ...

• why didn't we do any of this before for all the people that died of infuenza or any other virus/pathogen?
• why didn't we do any of this for all the people dying of hunger? (a issue easily fixed by any of thoose goverments or rich philantropists unlike a virus)
• why are we showing solidarity to the abstract idea of illness and its supposed victims but not the really easily proven, manmade damage and harm done to the people who lost their job, lost their homes, got injured for life by the innoculations and so on and so forth?
• why didn't we do any of these radical measures for all the environmental toxicities that are manmade, proven to cause cancers and other chronic ailments?
• where is the solidarity for all the suicides this society caused?

---

One could make a endless list here. Take what could be deemed a good question and discard the rest. I think most sheeple are not open to engage into any of these questions from a "sceptic" position.
I already know many "pro-vaxx, pro mandates, pro-totalitarianism" personas answers to many of them, which are usually realy ridiclious but w/e.

Nice @Ben. Thanks for taking the time...

 

[Adf]

Also, this is specific to Australia where I live, but if this virus is so scary and virulent enough to close the borders of the entire country, why are packages, letters, all types of mail still allowed to be sent and received? Could the virus not survive for 3 hours on a letter sent from Bali or New Zealand into Australia? There's millions if not billions of packages sent/received every year, pretty sure than number only went up since the lockdowns.

Straight from AusPost
"We delivered more than 2.6 billion items last year and we deliver to 12.4 million delivery points across Australia. We have more than 64,000 in our extended workforce and we have one of Australia’s largest electric vehicle fleets of more than 3,500 vehicles."

With those numbers, you would think Perth would be littered with Covid constantly, like Melbourne and Victoria? Nope. We get a lockdown or mask mandate here and there only from the random truck driver or hotel worker who tested positive. If this wasn't a narrative, if there was truth to the dangers of Covid, it would be ALL over Australia including Perth. It would spread through the Postal system. But that would mean having Perth's borders locked down wouldn't have changed a thing, so they ignore that fact so they could keep our borders locked.

Oh and btw now in Perth, I can't go to restaurants, bars, cinemas/movies, gyms, bottle shops, literally cant go ANYWHERE but the grocery shop without my second jab.
Probably cant even go to grocery shops soon without a second jab.

Oh and also in 2020, why were gyms closing down but bottle shops remaining open? If this agenda was about public health, it would 100% be the opposite of that.

 

[Kayaker]

This is chess you are playing checkers!!! We are going on our 4th booster

The bubble is made of serotonin.

The Unvaccinated Will Be Blamed.

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