nullredvector
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I basically did GOMAD as a kid, really my main source of sugar and protein. Im 6'6'' now.
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Are notably taller people healthier? The tall seem to die much younger from what I've read. Anecdotally, you literally never see tall 80 year olds. Is there a link to hormonal problems and being much over 6 feet? I might guess the optimal height for males is somewhere between 5'9 and 6'1.
Not sure why people take this so personally.
I'm 5'7" and slightly shorter than Celtics over-achiever Isaiah Thomas, taller than Tom Cruise and Sly Stallone, and i feel just like an unaffected neutral observer as well. But seriously, I'd rather be healthy and have the musculature and frame that is appropriate for my height. I'd rather not be short and stocky, definitely not tall and still stocky, and not be tall and skinny like a stick. I think that people rightly proportioned for their height, whatever the height, are just as healthy as anyone taller or shorter.I'm 5'11 so just an unaffected neutral observer but it seems hard to underplay. It's mostly left me scratching my head.
@jaa, the lesson from Ray Peat and this forum is to do your own research as vested interests, perverse incentives and a groupthink echo chamber effect abound in biology, medicine, politics, etc etc.
There also could be an interaction with estrogen here. Aroma taste inhibitors such as letrozole have been investigated as treatments for short stature.
Quite possibly the cheeses, milk, dairy products and animal meats would provide more fat soluble vitamins reducing aromatase and estrogen production over time leading to taller stature.
@haidut just to clarify are you suggesting it is possible to increase height post puberty by suppressing estrogen?
Is that you in your profile picture? Because if it is, youre most assuredly not ethnically Dutch. If you are a immigrant from foreign parents but now living in Netherlands, and youre saying your parents are not that tall, yet you are 185cm+ this would play into the diet theory. Simply because European countries consume the most dairy on Earth last I checked.I am dutch and am 1.85 cm which is slightly above the average dutch height. My parents aren't particularly tall but I am. I always loved milk and milk products when I was growing up, and stil do. So maybe the high protein and calcium content has contributed to me being taller than my parents.
Unfortunately there is a lot of anti-milk propaganda coming from vegans and paleo people here in the Netherlands.. I'm afraid the future generations won't get as tall as us!!
Also the dutch consume a lot of coffee, I've read the dutch consume on average the most coffee per capita in the world! That could also have a favorable effects since it increases CO2.
Ok, thanks for explaining your position. I didn't realize you were referring to pathologies and not physical things like height, eye colour, athletic potential, etc.
I think environment plays a role. Again, I'm not arguing the 100% genetic position. I don't think anyone but a small sliver of people do that. There is a level at which radiation exposure would cause every human being to get cancer and die. Genetics be damned. But it also seems likely a lower dose of radiation would effect people with different genetics differently. This is why alcohol, tobacoo, and everything else under the sun effects people differently, and those different effects can be correlated to gene clusters. There are many diseases which affect certain genetic populations (e.g. sickle cell amenia). To say that a disease like that is down to 100% environment seems obviously wrong to me.
Right, the main reason for the increase seems like it's due to environment. That doesn't mean genetics plays no role in the risk and development of the disease and the study never claims that. One researcher claimed that the increase is more likely due to epigenetics than genetics.
It's similar to the height thing. Genetics sets the range, epigenetics sets where you fall in that range.
I don't have time to read that right now, but without reading it my answer would be a emphatic YES. Back to the height example, if I have the genetic potential to end up 5'0" to 5'8" and you have the genetic potential to end up 6'0" to 6'8" then yes, genes matter even if epigentics dictates the final expression of those genes. I think genetic health is analogous to this.
Edit: This paper on what replication studies is my default until I come across better arguments. :)
https://www.gwern.net/docs/genetics/2016-plomin.pdf
Doesn't make sense in the slightest, how is cutting pork off the diet gonna shrink you? Eating red meat from cows is also a better protein source with even more cholesterol and saturated fats than pork. Look at the Muslims of the caucasus region, they are tall as hell yet they never eat pork due to Islam.prohibition on pork may be largely to blame for the shorter average stature of Herzegovinians. Indeed, regions with a greater fraction of Muslims were shorter than regions with fewer Muslims.
supposedly sly stallone is 5'10...?I'm 5'7" and slightly shorter than Celtics over-achiever Isaiah Thomas, taller than Tom Cruise and Sly Stallone, and i feel just like an unaffected neutral observer as well. But seriously, I'd rather be healthy and have the musculature and frame that is appropriate for my height. I'd rather not be short and stocky, definitely not tall and still stocky, and not be tall and skinny like a stick. I think that people rightly proportioned for their height, whatever the height, are just as healthy as anyone taller or shorter.
Doesn't make sense in the slightest, how is cutting pork off the diet gonna shrink you? Eating red meat from cows is also a better protein source with even more cholesterol and saturated fats than pork. Look at the Muslims of the caucasus region, they are tall as hell yet they never eat pork due to Islam.
Because pork is far cheaper than beef, so more people can afford it. Beef only means the population eats less meat overallDoesn't make sense in the slightest, how is cutting pork off the diet gonna shrink you? Eating red meat from cows is also a better protein source with even more cholesterol and saturated fats than pork. Look at the Muslims of the caucasus region, they are tall as hell yet they never eat pork due to Islam.
Which countries are you including in the caucasus region mate? I didn’t know it had Islamic countries? And yeah pork itself isn’t necessary for height growth… and the ruminants meats protein quality may be better? Chicken and pork have much more pufa.Doesn't make sense in the slightest, how is cutting pork off the diet gonna shrink you? Eating red meat from cows is also a better protein source with even more cholesterol and saturated fats than pork. Look at the Muslims of the caucasus region, they are tall as hell yet they never eat pork due to Islam.
Wow that’s impressive. Other than diary do you think anything else helped? Did you use any hormones/neurosteroids etc?I think i grew few cm in past years (early 30s).
Was always heavy on dairy.
From 197,5cm to 200cm.