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Are you not worried about Thymus involution?
No. Haven't seen any evidence of it.
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Are you not worried about Thymus involution?
there is quite a difference between common sense and science ;-) there was a time when it was common sense that the sun circle around the earth.Common sense will tell you that injecting a virus and or other questionable substances into your bloodstream is not health promoting thing.
Its amazing that a RP follower would still put any faith in the medical mafia's bs. I think you need to do some more reading on vaccines. Here is a good overview.there is quite a difference between common sense and science ;-) there was a time when it was common sense that the sun circle around the earth.
what do you think about that study:
Vaccinated versus unvaccinated children: how they fare in first five years of life. - PubMed - NCBI
3 deads against 0
Cannot follow your logic here but i will give that article of Dr. Kurt a try..Its amazing that a RP follower would still put any faith in the medical mafia's bs.
So, I read this. The first thing I looked up was measles. His information regarding deaths from measles is accurate, but he's leaving out that there were some serious complications from measles that wouldn't have shown up in the chart he posted, since death didn't occur.Its amazing that a RP follower would still put any faith in the medical mafia's bs. I think you need to do some more reading on vaccines. Here is a good overview.
Dr. Kurt: Why I Will Never Choose to Vaccinate my Own Son and Any Future Kids my Wife and I Have
So deaths had fallen significantly prior to the vaccination, hence the vaccination is unnecessary. Or is it? 48k hospitalizations a year? Complications of encephalitis? I'm not saying these risks outweigh the risk of vaccination, but Dr. Kurt wasn't giving the full story, just like the "medical mafia" often doesn't as well. I'm to the point now where I never trust a doctor's opinion until I've researched it myself, and this includes doctors that are willing to split away from the medical establishment. They're quite often guilty of their own bias or agenda. It's a shame, but trustworthy sources are rare, now.In 1962, immediately preceding the licensure of the first measles vaccines in the United States, when measles was a nearly universal disease, Alexander Langmuir described the medical importance of measles to the country and put forth the challenge of measles eradication [1]. Although most patients recovered without permanent sequelae, the high number of cases each year made measles a significant cause of serious morbidity and mortality Langmuir showed that >90% of Americans were infected with the measles virus by age 15 years [1]. This equated to roughly 1 birth cohort (4 million people) infected with measles each year. Not all cases were reported to the public health system; from 1956 to 1960, an average of 542,000 cases were reported annually.By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases) [2]. Nevertheless, in the late 1950s, serious complications due to measles remained frequent and costly. As a result of measles virus infections, an average of 150,000 patients had respiratory complications and 4000 patients had encephalitis each year; the latter was associated with a high risk of neurological sequelae and death. These complications and others resulted in an estimated 48,000 persons with measles being hospitalized every year
I think you are making a false equivalency between what Dr. Kurt and what the medical establishment have left out. Dr. Kurt can't cover every aspect of every disease progression in a short article. He also has zero incentive to leave out any information and much more incentive to not buck the system. Meanwhile the medical mafia still denies the real dangers of vaccines, manipulates the evidence, and attacks truth tellers. They also still falsely claim that infectious diseases were cured by vaccinations as opposed to sanitation.So, I read this. The first thing I looked up was measles. His information regarding deaths from measles is accurate, but he's leaving out that there were some serious complications from measles that wouldn't have shown up in the chart he posted, since death didn't occur.
Measles Elimination in the United States
So deaths had fallen significantly prior to the vaccination, hence the vaccination is unnecessary. Or is it? 48k hospitalizations a year? Complications of encephalitis? I'm not saying these risks outweigh the risk of vaccination, but Dr. Kurt wasn't giving the full story, just like the "medical mafia" often doesn't as well. I'm to the point now where I never trust a doctor's opinion until I've researched it myself, and this includes doctors that are willing to split away from the medical establishment. They're quite often guilty of their own bias or agenda. It's a shame, but trustworthy sources are rare, now.
What do I think? That PubMed.gov study makes me wonder who paid/sponsored itthere is quite a difference between common sense and science ;-) there was a time when it was common sense that the sun circle around the earth.
what do you think about that study:
Vaccinated versus unvaccinated children: how they fare in first five years of life. - PubMed - NCBI
3 deads against 0
Did you read Suzanne Humpries Dissolving Illusions?I think you are making a false equivalency between what Dr. Kurt and what the medical establishment have left out. Dr. Kurt can't cover every aspect of every disease progression in a short article. He also has zero incentive to leave out any information and much more incentive to not buck the system. Meanwhile the medical mafia still denies the real dangers of vaccines, manipulates the evidence, and attacks truth tellers. They also still falsely claim that infectious diseases were cured by vaccinations as opposed to sanitation.
As for the specific charge, there is no evidence that measles vaccinations where responsible for reducing the 48,000 hospitalizations per year. Also keep in mind that 48,000 is a trivial number in a population of 330 million. More people are hospitalized due to NSAID use (over 100,000 per year) and nobody is screaming about banning Advil. Meanwhile autism has gone from being a relatively rare disease to now affecting 1 in 50 kids. I'd take my and my future kids chances with measles, mumps and rubella any day.
thanks very interesting stuff.Did you read Suzanne Humpries Dissolving Illusions?
Dissolving Illusions | Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History
there is quite a difference between common sense and science ;-) there was a time when it was common sense that the sun circle around the earth.
what do you think about that study:
Vaccinated versus unvaccinated children: how they fare in first five years of life. - PubMed - NCBI
3 deads against 0
Putting things in context: this is the final sentence from the paragraph "In this paper we advocate the total integration of every community in the ongoing Expanded Programme for Immunization in Nigeria."there is quite a difference between common sense and science ;-) there was a time when it was common sense that the sun circle around the earth.
what do you think about that study:
Vaccinated versus unvaccinated children: how they fare in first five years of life. - PubMed - NCBI
3 deads against 0
Which planet are you from? Be wary of do-gooders from Plant Earth!I have 3 non-vaccinated grand children and they are the healthiest little buggers you'll ever meet. One of them has been to the Dr.'s office twice in her 4 years on this planet.
It's not a false equivalency. Dr. Kurtz dismissed all complications outside of polio and basically said if it doesn't kill you then it's not a concern. There is no evidence that measles vaccinations reduced the 48k hospitalizations per year? Measles deaths by the time of the vaccination were already close to zero. Sanitation had already played its part. That was Kurt's point. Yet there were still 48k hospitalizations annually during the years he claimed measles had become moot. Now, on average, there's less than 100 reported measles cases per year, and the majority of them are the result of importations, people that had not been vaccinated. I didn't even get into the other diseases, and I'm not going to, but if you're avoiding all vaccinations, then you need to consider the complications of all diseases.I think you are making a false equivalency between what Dr. Kurt and what the medical establishment have left out. Dr. Kurt can't cover every aspect of every disease progression in a short article. He also has zero incentive to leave out any information and much more incentive to not buck the system. Meanwhile the medical mafia still denies the real dangers of vaccines, manipulates the evidence, and attacks truth tellers. They also still falsely claim that infectious diseases were cured by vaccinations as opposed to sanitation.
As for the specific charge, there is no evidence that measles vaccinations where responsible for reducing the 48,000 hospitalizations per year. Also keep in mind that 48,000 is a trivial number in a population of 330 million. More people are hospitalized due to NSAID use (over 100,000 per year) and nobody is screaming about banning Advil. Meanwhile autism has gone from being a relatively rare disease to now affecting 1 in 50 kids. I'd take my and my future kids chances with measles, mumps and rubella any day.
You really think that the levels of sanitation in 1960s inner cities, or rural Appalachia or the deep south are what they are today. Sanitation in these areas and others was atrocious. Go on youtube and look into Robert Kennedy' tour of the rural south if you want to see the third world condition that existed in many parts of the US back then. Again there is no evidence that vaccination had improved anything.It's not a false equivalency. Dr. Kurtz dismissed all complications outside of polio and basically said if it doesn't kill you then it's not a concern. There is no evidence that measles vaccinations reduced the 48k hospitalizations per year? Measles deaths by the time of the vaccination were already close to zero. Sanitation had already played its part. That was Kurt's point. Yet there were still 48k hospitalizations annually during the years he claimed measles had become moot. Now, on average, there's less than 100 reported measles cases per year, and the majority of them are the result of importations, people that had not been vaccinated. I didn't even get into the other diseases, and I'm not going to, but if you're avoiding all vaccinations, then you need to consider the complications of all diseases.
None of this is a defense of what the CDC and medical community do by skewing information, but the other side does it as well. ALL sources should be questioned. ALL information should be supplied, so everyone can make the decision they feel is best.
I'm 34, my vaccinations are done. When I have children I'll need to make a decision. Polio is generally harmless. If I have a child that's part of the <2% that has a complication that causes permanent disability, will I be able to live with it? If I choose to get them vaccinated, and they have a serious complication, will I be able to live with it? I don't feel like it's as nearly cut and dried as either side wants to make it seem. We're over-vaccinated for sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean all vaccinations need to be avoided. It's a decision we're all going to have to make as individuals, and hopefully more information will continue to come forth so that we'll know the true risks (and rewards) of vaccinations.
Its amazing that a RP follower would still put any faith in the medical mafia's bs. I think you need to do some more reading on vaccines. Here is a good overview.
Dr. Kurt: Why I Will Never Choose to Vaccinate my Own Son and Any Future Kids my Wife and I Have
he has his own agenda. he has created a method "to uncover and address the underlying causes of your illness"He also has zero incentive to leave out any information and much more incentive to not buck the system.