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How indoctrinated do you have to be to put sugar on the same level as heroin?
How indoctrinated do you have to be to put sugar on the same level as heroin?
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jyb said:So, I don't see why you take offence at this claim. Consuming junk food daily just seems like hyperventilating, both as an addiction habit and as a metabolic harm with loss of respiration.
Stuart said:jyb said:So, I don't see why you take offence at this claim. Consuming junk food daily just seems like hyperventilating, both as an addiction habit and as a metabolic harm with loss of respiration.
I wonder how damaging junk food would be if you took out all the pufas, and left the sat fat and sugar.
The reason I ask, is that my lifelong proclivity to overeat sweet food, including fruit, has completely evaporated since I started avoiding pufa. It's a remarklable feeling of inner effortless self control. Before it always took a lot of willpower.
jyb said:...In the later case, I think health becomes so poor that there is a stressful need for constant high sugar feeding to avoid immediate breakdown...
Stuart said:jyb said:So, I don't see why you take offence at this claim. Consuming junk food daily just seems like hyperventilating, both as an addiction habit and as a metabolic harm with loss of respiration.
I wonder how damaging junk food would be if you took out all the pufas, and left the sat fat and sugar.
Do you think that theres a limit of sugar consumption for a particualar individual beyond which they are metabolically stressed. Assuming of course that they are satisfying all their micronutrient requirements and avoid pufa?
Also, I wonder if the addiction to junk foods far beyond metabolic requirements would revert to easy self regulation if it didn't contain pufa.
The reason I ask, is that my lifelong proclivity to overeat sweet food, including fruit, has completely evaporated since I started avoiding pufa. It's a remarklable feeling of inner effortless self control. Before it always took a lot of willpower.
diabetes is on the rise so I would not be surprised if they were insulin resistant and thus often hyperglycaemic from drinking all that. Whether insulin resistance was caused by PUFA or excess sugar is another question, some authors speculate that you need both but not always.
Zachs said:Working in a health food store is both hilarious and sad for the same reasons. I overhear people every day talking about the dangers of sugar or saturated fat or salt. All the while they are loading up on high polyunsaturated foods.
It's also fun being really lean and eating the way I do around people, they trip out when I eat.
I wish I could distribute Ray Peat flyers but most wouldn't even read em.
jyb said:It's an endless debate as to what amount exactly is physiological...I think the amount you'd find in milk gives a good intuition. Without stress, you have no craving and may not need anything more than some lactose. I believe even Peat would agree. And yes I personally believe hyperglycaemia is one factor in modern disease, which would be relevant for populations drinking litres of sodas daily - after all, diabetes is on the rise so I would not be surprised if they were insulin resistant and thus often hyperglycaemic from drinking all that. Whether insulin resistance was caused by PUFA or excess sugar is another question, some authors speculate that you need both but not always.
pboy said:Zachs said:It's also fun being really lean and eating the way I do around people, they trip out when I eat.
now days when people ask me what I eat, and I talk about how I drink a ton of milk its like what everything is based around...they keep trying to pretend its not true like im lying,