"Too Much Verbalisation Can Damage The Brain"

[Summer]

Hell of a side note! Are you referring to my child, myself or something else?

I may have read the 2nd to last paragraph as being from Ray ?

 

[Peatness]

As someone of Irish descent with a propensity to process information verbally, I talk a lot to my wife to figure out my thoughts... I find it exhilarating to process information this way. I do know it can probably be annoying to the listener. Having tested out at the top 1% of the population in the verbal portion of the SATs (perfect score of 800), it's just part of who I am. All that is to say, I take GREAT OFFENSE to the suggestion that I am a feminized man!

Just kidding... but I do take your point. I'm learning in my thirties to know when to shut up... not everything needs to be expressed.

I once dated a guy who talked a lot. He was an academic and his area of expertise fascinated me. I was really into him and those supposedly ‘feminine’ qualities are actually attractive. These dichotomizing terms are not always helpful.

 

[InChristAlone]

As someone of Irish descent with a propensity to process information verbally, I talk a lot to my wife to figure out my thoughts... I find it exhilarating to process information this way. I do know it can probably be annoying to the listener. Having tested out at the top 1% of the population in the verbal portion of the SATs (perfect score of 800), it's just part of who I am. All that is to say, I take GREAT OFFENSE to the suggestion that I am a feminized man!

Just kidding... but I do take your point. I'm learning in my thirties to know when to shut up... not everything needs to be expressed.

Can I be completely honest with you? I'm not trying to put you down, but I thought you were a woman! So this is news for me! I think it depends on what is causing the talkative nature, if it is that you are just highly intelligent and want to discuss thing with people that is different than a man who is talking about all the things that happened to him at work and gossiping and just going on and on and the woman is sitting there thinking geez it's like talking to one of my girlfriends! I think high estrogen can cause this. And as we all know estrogen is ubiquitous in our environment now.

ETA; a good example of the feminized man are the gay men who talk exactly like a woman and gossip just like a woman, they will use phrases like 'spilling the tea'.

 

[CiggyTardust]

Can I be completely honest with you? I'm not trying to put you down, but I thought you were a woman! So this is news for me! I think it depends on what is causing the talkative nature, if it is that you are just highly intelligent and want to discuss thing with people that is different than a man who is talking about all the things that happened to him at work and gossiping and just going on and on and the woman is sitting there thinking geez it's like talking to one of my girlfriends! I think high estrogen can cause this. And as we all know estrogen is ubiquitous in our environment now.

ETA; a good example of the feminized man are the gay men who talk exactly like a woman and gossip just like a woman, they will use phrases like 'spilling the tea'.

I understand. I tend to talk a lot about more abstract concepts... social, political, health-related topics that I'm passionate about. Gossip and complaining I try to avoid.

As for thinking I was a woman... LOL! I am a Pisces and that is typically considered a Yin or feminine sign which lends to the more receptive, sensitive, reflective energy you may have detected. It took me over a decade (the entirety of my 20s) to learn about healthy masculinity in a society which represses it so I am a work in progress.

 

[JamesGatz]

I once dated a guy who talked a lot. He was an academic and his area of expertise fascinated me. I was really into him and those supposedly ‘feminine’ qualities are actually attractive. These dichotomizing terms are not always helpful.

Exactly - I notice that high Progesterone men tend to talk more in an intelligent manner - high estradiol men talk more as well but in an annoying "flamboyant-homosexual" kind of way for lack of a better word.

When I am high androgens and not high progesterone - I don't feel like talking at all - 2 things on my mind - getting some pu*** and making some money

When I am high progesterone up to the point where my androgens are not as high I am more willing to put in the work to talk and banter with a chick and am more focused on putting my brain to work on subjects I find interesting rather than chasing a quick buck

I am not sure if I value one over the other - I am probably more successful with women when I am high Progesterone but I get a lot more stares from women when I am high androgen without the progesterone - when I am high Progesterone my conversation is a lot more savvy and the things I talk about they respond well to

 

[CiggyTardust]

Exactly - I notice that high Progesterone men tend to talk more in an intelligent manner - high estradiol men talk more as well but in an annoying "flamboyant-homosexual" kind of way for lack of a better word.

When I am high androgens and not high progesterone - I don't feel like talking at all - 2 things on my mind - getting some pu*** and making some money

When I am high progesterone up to the point where my androgens are not as high I am more willing to put in the work to talk and banter with a chick and am more focused on putting my brain to work on subjects I find interesting rather than chasing a quick buck

I am not sure if I value one over the other - I am probably more successful with women when I am high Progesterone but I get a lot more stares from women when I am high androgen without the progesterone - when I am high Progesterone my conversation is a lot more savvy and the things I talk about they respond well to

Wonderfully autistic response

I'm sorry friend, every time I see your profile pic I find it extremely hard to take you seriously lol

 

[InChristAlone]

I understand. I tend to talk a lot about more abstract concepts... social, political, health-related topics that I'm passionate about. Gossip and complaining I try to avoid.

As for thinking I was a woman... LOL! I am a Pisces and that is typically considered a Yin or feminine sign which lends to the more receptive, sensitive, reflective energy you may have detected. It took me over a decade (the entirety of my 20s) to learn about healthy masculinity in a society which represses it so I am a work in progress.

Yes it was the more receptive and sensitive energy I was detecting. Which honestly a man who is in touch with his feminine side while still remaining in his strong masculine nature is good.

 

[Braveheart]

Shut up...God gave us 2 ears and one mouth...for a reason....

 

[Machina]

I think the difference is the topic of what is being talked a lot about. Women find men who are passionate about something attractive, and being intelligent and assertive about such things is nice. It shows that a person is interested, alive, and has their own independent thought and drive for something and life I believe. I think that drive is very masculine and attractive to the people. Not saying none of this can't go for women too, we both love this in people. If it's just gossip like high school girls and boys do and things that aren't too meaningful, also being overly frustrated towards little things I could see that as being feminine for a man. I think it could go for women to be stoic sometimes as well, and for men to be able to show emotion but not be weak. We both can learn things from each other.

 

[Makrosky]

It is usually very healthy to not give a **** about what women (or anyone else for the matter) thinks about you.

 

[Makrosky]

I have found hyperverbal/argumentative/too rational, scattered, fast talking people drain me off of my energy very bad. I can't stand it. I also become like that while under stress or being robotized by work/environment for too long. Totally sucks.

I sometimes think that, since it is a sign of very low metabolic energy, people do it unconsciously to suck up others energy. Kind of like vampires.

 

[Doc Sandoz]

My blood pressure goes up when I think (verbally) too much, particularly if it involves the digital world, like this computer. Creative and contemplative states do the opposite.

 

[Braveheart]

This explains a lot - I have a funny memory of a girl telling me back in high school about a guy she was into and she said something along the lines about "he's so quiet ... so mysterious" - I hear girls say this a lot about these types of guys they may be into - maybe the tendency to not speak preserves a lot of brain power or something of this nature

There is a reason God gave us 2 ears and only 1 mouth.....

 

[Drareg]

What Peat touches on here is what we are dealing with today en masse, the woke in society are just that, verbose, pathologically, they can’t see images beyond the words, it’s an attention span issue, they see words that have conditioned responses that release dopamine or the opposite adrenaline, both stimulate, they are hooked on this feedback loop, it’s an addiction pathology just like alcoholism or smoking.
Underlying it all is a lack of energetic capacitance, they are stuck until capacitance improves, if not they self destruct.

 

[Ben.]

It is usually very healthy to not give a **** about what women (or anyone else for the matter) thinks about you.

ding ding ding .... we have a winner.

 

[Razvan]

Talkative guys or guys that talk more than their partner are feminized men. The masculine knows how to be stoic.

bull**** of the day.

 

[Daft]

I started working as a translator on a big construction site with different nationalities the last month. All I do is talking, at the end of the day I'm dead and the construction workers who do physical work for ten hours are fit and happy. Another observation aside is that they're are extremely strong. One guy closed a valve via a screw and he closed it so hard with his bare hand I needed a bar as a lever to open it. Doing meaningful work is much more effective for fitness, strength and health than going to the gym.

What about the fat and unhealthy tradies. Probably developed strength (which for example grip strength can develop over a very long period and is done far more specifically by trade work), but I'm not so sure it guarantees being a paragon of health. Though the other correlation is a lot of poor diets and alcohol/drug use/ bad habits amongst blue collar.

I'd say however the lack of rest and proneness to overuse of muscles can wear out the body towards dishealth among them too.

 

[LUH 3417]

What Peat touches on here is what we are dealing with today en masse, the woke in society are just that, verbose, pathologically, they can’t see images beyond the words, it’s an attention span issue, they see words that have conditioned responses that release dopamine or the opposite adrenaline, both stimulate, they are hooked on this feedback loop, it’s an addiction pathology just like alcoholism or smoking.
Underlying it all is a lack of energetic capacitance, they are stuck until capacitance improves, if not they self destruct.

This is so true. Empathy and compassion requires visualizing the other person and feeling for them, it is not a literal experience or thoughts. When you truly empathize and try to understand or feel for another persons situation and perspective, your mind is making an image of that person within a context. For instance I got upset my cousin didn’t call me back, it was a verbal run off in my head of why is she the way she is and why doesn’t she call me back. But suddenly I got an image in my head of her having a busy day and being a mom and all the things she must have to do but it was the image of her in a context that gave me this powerful feeling of empathy and realizing it’s not just about me and my desire to speak with her. When you’re in a bad state you can only think about yourself and everything gets filtered through the trap of your perspective.

 

[Daft]

As someone of Irish descent with a propensity to process information verbally, I talk a lot to my wife to figure out my thoughts... I find it exhilarating to process information this way. I do know it can probably be annoying to the listener. Having tested out at the top 1% of the population in the verbal portion of the SATs (perfect score of 800), it's just part of who I am. All that is to say, I take GREAT OFFENSE to the suggestion that I am a feminized man!

Just kidding... but I do take your point. I'm learning in my thirties to know when to shut up... not everything needs to be expressed.

It's very much an Irish thing, in my experience, though still there's always exceptions of less talkative Irish men and women I've met too. Think the disparity between women and men typical talkativeness would be more observed/expected in other ethnicities though. Hence people throwing around "feminine" as an explanation. Could be a valid theory, but it's also likely they're just conflating things with unjustified certainty.

 

[InChristAlone]

I understand why men would take offense by what I said. Estrogen is ubiquitous, especially in northern europeans who consume a lot of hoppy beer. But just in general our environment isn't conducive to high T low estrogen in males. Being chatty is not a male trait, which is why the stereotype is that women are chatty and men just sit there staring off like they aren't listening. Biology causes women to be more chatty and expressive, and for men to be more stoic not needing to express all their feelings and complaints.

The reason most marriages fail and that men and women in general are not on fire for each other is the lack of polarity. How do you create fire if a man is talking more than his partner? And she is just sitting there wondering when he's going to care about her? She becomes his Mom instead of his lover. And if that happens his attraction and respect for her dwindle. Cheating and porn use become more desirable.